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[NeonKnight]

Craig Steele, on 01 May 2014 - 07:26 AM, said:

Wait, are you saying that I should only make a post about something I personally endorse?

Wow, I am so used to people telling me what my opinion is (like the subsequent ranting you highlight in bold) that this news is refreshing.

Depends. Are you closeminded and refusing to even accept the other sides arguments? And by Accept I don't mean embrace but accept they are valid, and while not yours still of importance?

Or do you read someone's post and think, He/She has a point, I don't agree with them, but their point is valid.

Because at the moment, I see Jun and a few others a the former, and at the moment....I see you as leaning towards the latter.

Edited by NeonKnight, 01 May 2014 - 07:36 AM.

[Craig Steele]

NeonKnight, on 01 May 2014 - 07:34 AM, said:

Depends. Are you closeminded and refusing to even accept the other sides arguments? And by Accept I don't mean embrace but accept they are valid, and while not yours still of importance?

Or do you read someone's post and think, He/She has a point, I don't agree with them, but their point is valid.

Because at the moment, I see Jun and a few others a the former, and at the moment....I see you as leaning towards the latter.

Ummm, you were the one casting the acqusation, haven't you already made up your mind?

[CCC Dober]

Guys, don't get your panties in a twist. Only because PGI sez this and that, it doesn't show you the whole picture. That's more important than you might think. If you 'believe' and quote them blindly, like it's the word of god, then shame on you. By now you should know better than to fall for the word of PGI. 3rd person anybody? Thought so.

Let's make it a bit more transparent, so you see what's going on here. Okay, the statement is that 84% of players pug. So, have you been pugging? Hands up! Okay, who has been pugging and was also dropping with friends? Hands up! Who has been dropping with friends exclusively? Hands up again! And done.

So, normally we would have 3 results for each player, the whole picture. But why is PGI not showing us the rest of them you might ask? I can think of a couple reasons for that, but you just need to look back and see how groups were integrated and treated so far. The sheer competence is mind boggling and I'm being generous here.

Long story short: PGI is either being manipulative by showing incomplete statistics or shocking us again with their sheer competence regarding statistics. Either way, we're screwed if we accept their word without hesitation. We have been manipulated and lied to before. This is no different.

[Jun Watarase]

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You would think there are absolutely zero high Elo solo players.

Of course there are competent solo players, but there are no high elo solo players because the odds are stacked against them. Premades rig the matches to go in their favor...i just finished a game where a 8 man sync drop had 6 ppc/ballistic boats and 2 LRM boats. We still won through points because they had no interest in capping, but our team of mostly randoms in non-meta builds didnt stand a chance in an open fight. Every player in a 4 man premade that drops with meta builds is going to have a win ratio much higher than the average 50%....i believe some have openly bragged of 90% of higher win ratios before....while any solo player regardless of skill is going to have a win ratio of about 50%, the average, because of random factors outside of their control and their inability to influence the match as much as a 4 man.

That's why every single person that used to complain about having a ELO too high to complain were group players, not solo players.

And just had a game in which the 6 friendly mechs next to me simply turned tail and ran when we were charged by the enemy team. They didnt bother to fire back at all, it was suddenly me, a sea of red blips infront of me, and rapidly retreating blue blips behind me. You could be the top ranked tournament player in MWO and you would still have died.

Edited by Jun Watarase, 01 May 2014 - 07:51 AM.

[NeonKnight]

Craig Steele, on 01 May 2014 - 07:39 AM, said:

Ummm, you were the one casting the acqusation, haven't you already made up your mind?

I stated an opinion, my opinion, of what I believe he must see, because no matter how many times we argue that some of us premades just wanna play with our friends, he has stated time and again that ALL premades in his mind are meta-build, JJ a-holes out to do nothing more than stomp pugs.

I have also stated many times that while I agree some, SOME premades are like this (i've encountered them too), don't lump all of us into the same pot. Just like I don't lump you into the same pot that all PUG players are whinny children that can't/won't learn the mechanics of the game.

[Joseph Mallan]

Jun Watarase, on 01 May 2014 - 07:47 AM, said:

Of course there are competent solo players, but there are no high elo solo players because the odds are stacked against them. Premades rig the matches to go in their favor...i just finished a game where a 8 man sync drop had 6 ppc/ballistic boats and 2 LRM boats. We still won through points because they had no interest in capping, but our team of mostly randoms in non-meta builds didnt stand a chance in an open fight. Every player in a 4 man premade that drops with meta builds is going to have a win ratio much higher than the average 50%....i believe some have openly bragged of 90% of higher win ratios before....while any solo player regardless of skill is going to have a win ratio of about 50%, the average, because of random factors outside of their control and their inability to influence the match as much as a 4 man.

That's why every single person that used to complain about having a ELO too high to complain were group players, not solo players.

In group or solo, I have fun. As Anton I played Solo for a year now. And I won my Free Mechs in 13 matches v almost 7 hours in a 4 man... PUGging is Hard!

[Davers]

Jun Watarase, on 01 May 2014 - 07:47 AM, said:

Of course there are competent solo players, but there are no high elo solo players because the odds are stacked against them. Premades rig the matches to go in their favor...i just finished a game where a 8 man sync drop had 6 ppc/ballistic boats and 2 LRM boats. We still won through points because they had no interest in capping, but our team of mostly randoms in non-meta builds didnt stand a chance in an open fight. Every player in a 4 man premade that drops with meta builds is going to have a win ratio much higher than the average 50%....i believe some have openly bragged of 90% of higher win ratios before....while any solo player regardless of skill is going to have a win ratio of about 50%, the average, because of random factors outside of their control and their inability to influence the match as much as a 4 man.

That's why every single person that used to complain about having a ELO too high to complain were group players, not solo players.

And just had a game in which the 6 friendly mechs next to me simply turned tail and ran when we were charged by the enemy team. They didnt bother to fire back at all, it was suddenly me, a sea of red blips infront of me, and rapidly retreating blue blips behind me. You could be the top ranked tournament player in MWO and you would still have died.

If only there was a way to make sure you had competent team members every match....


BTW I am sure that the high Elo solo players will find it funny that they don't exist.

[NeonKnight]

CCC Dober, on 01 May 2014 - 07:46 AM, said:

Guys, don't get your panties in a twist. Only because PGI sez this and that, it doesn't show you the whole picture. That's more important than you might think. If you 'believe' and quote them blindly, like it's the word of god, then shame on you. By now you should know better than to fall for the word of PGI. 3rd person anybody? Thought so.

Let's make it a bit more transparent, so you see what's going on here. Okay, the statement is that 84% of players pug. So, have you been pugging? Hands up! Okay, who has been pugging and was also dropping with friends? Hands up! Who has been dropping with friends exclusively? Hands up again! And done.

So, normally we would have 3 results for each player, the whole picture. But why is PGI not showing us the rest of them you might ask? I can think of a couple reasons for that, but you just need to look back and see how groups were integrated and treated so far. The sheer [in]competence is mind boggling and I'm being generous here.

Long story short: PGI is either being manipulative by showing incomplete statistics or shocking us again with their sheer [in]competence regarding statistics. Either way, we're screwed if we accept their word without hesitation. We have been manipulated and lied to before. This is no different.

I think, based on how I am reading your statement, you mean INcompetence. As in NOT competent (able to do) the task you are referring to.

[Running Scared]

Haven't read much in this thread, only the comic in the original post and the post title.

I think i've played MWO, maybe.. two weeks. Looking at my stats, ive played a total of 77 matches in various trial mechs, and the mechs I own.

What got me to try MWO to begin with? It's the only mechwarrior game in town. The only thing that drew me to it, was nostalgia. I played the snot out of all the MW titles up to MW3. Call me an old DOS dinosaur if you want. If there was a modern reboot of any of the previous MW titles, i'd probably drop this game like a bad habit. That's not to say i'm not having fun, I am, and I'll continue to play, however, if there was a list of things that would make this game get old, it would be this:


1. Game is already getting repetitive. Terra Therma is a great example. I've already caught myself going, "Not this map again!". That and the play on the maps tends to get predictable. Every once in awhile something different is done, but for the most part, the maps seem to play out a certain way. What keeps me playing, despite the repetition, is building up skills , cash, and my mechs - but only to a certain point. Maxing out pilot skills for certain mech types by grinding out 3 mechs of the same type? NOT HAPPENING. Getting 4 to 5 million in cash takes a tediously long time, which prompts the purchase of MC, and that gets expensive. I've already plunked down 45 dollars on this game, and i wont pay a penny more. When I have maxed out my existing mechs builds , and filled my mech bays, I will probably stop playing because they'll be nothing left to strive for or work on. The same handful of maps, with three gameplay modes just doesn't cut it in the long run. If there was a persistant world ala the MMOFPS Planetside, (havent played the second one, maybe i ought to) then THAT would draw me in for the long haul. Right now, all MWO is, is a team death match with mechs, with no overall arcing objective.

2. This game is highly competitive, and I don't blame people in the slightest for this. I think people want to win at all costs, because the cash rewards are greater. Simply put, i think winning ingame equates to less real world currency being spent. The more C bills you gain in game, the less likely you are to need MC. I on the other hand, am not that competitive. Not because I have real world money to spend on MC, but because I enjoy playing a mech warrior game with modern graphics. Win or lose, I love piloting a mech again. Pure and simple. Win or lose a match, I really don't care. Winning is nice, but it's not why i'm playing.

3. People tend to be harsh in game. I've played enough online games in my years to have grown a thick skin, but at some point high competitive ego's get old. 10 minutes ago, i got called "chicken" and "worthless" in one game alone. People, if some jackwagon makes a user name like "Running Scared", what do you expect in the way of "bravery"? As for worthless, what type of knowledge and skill level do people expect from someone like myself?
Now, I choose my username deliberatly. It's the anti-thesis to "My E-Pien is bigger then yours".I don't stroke an ego, and i'm here to have fun. I could care less about being the baddest kid on the block. I think people make the assumption that everyone's a vet, and there's few newbies. Lots of people in many online games make this assumption.

That's all I got. Thanks.

Edited by Running Scared, 01 May 2014 - 07:57 AM.

[Ransack]

Before anyone goes off the deep end, please consider the source.

[CCC Dober]

NeonKnight, on 01 May 2014 - 07:55 AM, said:

I think, based on how I am reading your statement, you mean INcompetence. As in NOT competent (able to do) the task you are referring to.

I can not possibly comment that because a certain unnamed moderator blatantly censored me yesterday for using the NATO alphabet in a creative way (Whiskey Tango ...). But if I didn't have to watch my 'language', I might be inclined to agree with you. If you know what I mean.

[Davers]

Running Scared, on 01 May 2014 - 07:55 AM, said:

Haven't read much in this thread, only the comic in the original post and the post title.

I think i've played MWO, maybe.. two weeks. Looking at my stats, ive played a total of 77 matches in various trial mechs, and the mechs I own.

What got me to try MWO to begin with? It's the only mechwarrior game in town.


1. Game is already getting repetitive.

2. This game is highly competitive, and I don't blame people in the slightest for this.

3. People tend to be harsh in game.
That's all I got. Thanks.

If you have seen the comic you have seen the best part of this thread.

I would say a big part of why this game is around is because it is MW.

1. Part of the problem is No VOIP. You can't make plans to do 'something different' easily. Plus, people need a constant stream of Cbills to buy mechs. So some people would rather run to the same spots, where the enemy team is most likely to be,and try to do the most damage/kills/assists in as short a time as possible before getting to the next match. To many people win/loss doesn't matter as long as the game was QUICK.

2. PVP games are very competitive. Compared to Planetside 2 this game has training wheels. Everyone gets trashed in the beginning. Some people think they should master the game in 2 weeks. All you can do is play if you are having fun. You seem to have the right attitude.

3. People generally are not as mature as they like to think.

Nice post. Glad you are enjoying MW:O.

Now join a unit!

[NeonKnight]

CCC Dober, on 01 May 2014 - 08:01 AM, said:

I can not possibly comment that because a certain unnamed moderator blatantly censored me yesterday for using the NATO alphabet in a creative way (Whiskey Tango ...). But if I didn't have to watch my 'language', I might be inclined to agree with you. If you know what I mean.

Ahhh.....Well then...I apologize.


Carry on!

[Joseph Mallan]

CCC Dober, on 01 May 2014 - 08:01 AM, said:

I can not possibly comment that because a certain unnamed moderator blatantly censored me yesterday for using the NATO alphabet in a creative way (Whiskey Tango ...). But if I didn't have to watch my 'language', I might be inclined to agree with you. If you know what I mean.

I use two legit family names combined... and have been told to change my name. Its my Email BTW.

[NeonKnight]

By the way, fun aside to this thread here, as I do not want to be in violation of the NAME AND SHAME policy, but for a little insight as to why some individuals are constantly only seeing ONE side of the argument (theirs) head on over to the FORUM SUPPORT threads, some interesting post over there: http://mwomercs.com/...-website-forum/

May have to screen shot some of them for posterity.

Edited by NeonKnight, 01 May 2014 - 08:27 AM.

[Jun Watarase]

Davers, on 01 May 2014 - 07:53 AM, said:

If only there was a way to make sure you had competent team members every match....


BTW I am sure that the high Elo solo players will find it funny that they don't exist.

Well seeing as how only PGI can see ELO, i dont know why you are bothering to argue about this, since it cant be proven or disproven.

[CCC Dober]

Joseph Mallan, on 01 May 2014 - 08:21 AM, said:

I use two legit family names combined... and have been told to change my name. Its my Email BTW.

What the ...
You're not making that up, are you? O.o

[NeonKnight]

Jun Watarase, on 01 May 2014 - 08:27 AM, said:

EVERYONE ELSE since FOREVE said:

If only there was a way to make sure you had competent team members (Whether they be SOLO or PREMADE) every match....

Well seeing as how only PGI can see ELO, i dont know why you are bothering to argue about this, since it cant be proven or disproven.

There fixed the original quoted post, now if only Jun could take his own advice.

[Davers]

Jun Watarase, on 01 May 2014 - 08:27 AM, said:

And just had a game in which the 6 friendly mechs next to me simply turned tail and ran when we were charged by the enemy team. They didnt bother to fire back at all, it was suddenly me, a sea of red blips infront of me, and rapidly retreating blue blips behind me. You could be the top ranked tournament player in MWO and you would still have died.

And this has nothing to do with premades or pugs. In fact, it looks like you are not a team player.

jk!

[Almond Brown]

Joseph Mallan, on 29 April 2014 - 11:15 AM, said:

Its because they can't take a ribbing?

Nope, it is the word "learning". Gets them every time. If they can't be installed Launched and Killing stuff in 20 minutes, the game sucks and they just try the next one in the bucket.

Shame too. All of the Best Games need some "learning" to be done. But "learning" does takes time...