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[Barantor]

TygerLily, on 04 May 2014 - 08:45 AM, said:

TOMORROW NIGHT we kick this thing off!

I'm using this.

[DocBach]

posted it to the MWO facebook, I don't have a twitter but someone should tweet it to PGI since apparently they say more people get information from the fb and twitter than the forums.

[Khobai]

Just curious but how are stock light mechs supposed to compete?

[Barantor]

Khobai, on 04 May 2014 - 08:59 AM, said:

Just curious but how are stock light mechs supposed to compete?

You would be surprised at how well some of them do when you can't shoot as much because of all the heat issues a lot of mechs have. The tech level 2 lights are pretty amazing stock against tech level 1 mechs.

Assaults with their slowness tend to go down easy because of the size of the target and even though they have a ton of armor not a lot of them upgraded the heatsinks as well. Mediums really come into their own and the 'frankenmech' weapon groups that some of the stock mechs have become useful too.

Honestly it is a totally different feel to the game and a lot of fun if you can get around not being frustrated with heat. Come check it out tomorrow night.

[InRev]

Khobai, on 04 May 2014 - 08:59 AM, said:

Just curious but how are stock light mechs supposed to compete?

Strangely, the Locust isn't terrible. It has as much armor as the Jenner-7D but is one of a handful than can actually go 130kph. The "combat" Ravens are interesting because they're basically pocket mediums, but with a much smaller profile. The 2X has the same loadout as a Wolverine-6M but trades armor for its small profile. It's a fascinating compromise.

Plus, without ECM and due to various other factors, lights like the Spider or Locust are really handy for spotting for LRMs. Most "trooper" stocks (Centurion, Dragon, Orion, etc) have a secondary LRM launcher, so couple that with dedicated LRM mechs and a Locust or Spider and it can be a definite advantage early game.

Just be very careful with your heat. Not naming names, but we had a Jenner overheat and blow himself up accidentally the other night

[DocBach]

And pray we don't drop terra therma!

[TygerLily]

Khobai, on 04 May 2014 - 08:59 AM, said:

Just curious but how are stock light mechs supposed to compete?

Good question!

Well, for instance the Spider 5V is running around with a 1.38 heat efficiency in a world where others are at 1.16. He also goes 142kph with a standard engine. By comparison, the Jenner F only goes 124 and runs MUCH hotter. The 5V is probably the most maneuverable, most heat efficient Light. I'd pick that up if you like the Jenner-F in MWO main gameplay (which I did and do!)

Or for instance, the only ECM in the stock game is the Raven 3L. He comes with NARC, TAG, ECM, 2 ML and an SRM6. You don't have Cicada 3M, Commando 2Ds, Spider 5D, or Atlas DDCs providing ECM for friendlies which makes LRMs (which by and large have limited ammo) much more deadly if a constant bombardment begins (lower armor values, slower Mechs overall). He comes with only half armor on the legs (16/32) and the armament isn't overly powerful.

The Commando 1B is good because it's a light with a Large Laser! His role is like a mini brawler. In stock mode, when you see a Commando and an Atlas...the target is obvious...but if you let that a small Mech go unhindered, he'll be wrecking things with the LL, ML and fast-firing SRM2. I've had some great success with him. Plus that LL is a terror for other lights...You have good speed to pursue plus really good range to melt their limited armor.

Some Mechs like the Firestarters are super specialized with like, four flamers, two MG, two ML...when the armor values are much lower there are more openings for them to utilize that crit-seeking pretty effectively.

Conversely, a lot of bigger Mechs have their own drawbacks. The Jagermech S for example has two AC/5 and two AC/2...pretty good (I even run that on my Jager in MWO main) but it has light armor and only one ton of AC/2 ammo and two tons of AC/5 ammo....

Other Mechs, like Shadow Hawks and Wolverines have conservative loadouts like one AC/5, one SRM, one ML or LRM. Or the Awesome 8Q - which is actually a terror now - can chain fire it's 3 PPC 14 times before reaching top heat. YOWCH!


All that to say, it's been pretty fun to see all the Mech's roles skewed. So, Lights aren't the powerhouse they are in MWO main, they scout, spot, and fight other Lights and Mediums but aren't useless by any stretch.

PS. Lights are cheap too! 1.6mil for a Commando. Boom. Done. No DHS, no Ferro, no modules. Done.
Spider 5V 2.5mil, Jenner-F 2.9mil

Edited by TygerLily, 04 May 2014 - 10:35 AM.

[SilentScreamer]

Barantor, on 04 May 2014 - 09:05 AM, said:

You would be surprised at how well some of them do when you can't shoot as much because of all the heat issues a lot of mechs have. The tech level 2 lights are pretty amazing stock against tech level 1 mechs.

Assaults with their slowness tend to go down easy because of the size of the target and even though they have a ton of armor not a lot of them upgraded the heatsinks as well. Mediums really come into their own and the 'frankenmech' weapon groups that some of the stock mechs have become useful too.

Honestly it is a totally different feel to the game and a lot of fun if you can get around not being frustrated with heat. Come check it out tomorrow night.

I have restored a firestarter S, shadowhawk 2H and jagermech DD for play. I really expect the firestarter to be the star, but I am looking forward to tbe shadowhawk most of all because of LRM5 SRM2 Medium Laser & AC5 just seems a strange combo.

Nobody will mind if I leave endosteel equiped if I do not use to extra weight it frees up right?

[TygerLily]

SilentScreamer, on 04 May 2014 - 08:29 PM, said:

Nobody will mind if I leave endosteel equiped if I do not use to extra weight it frees up right?

Ignorance is bliss...just tell us it's stock, lol. Unquipping that Endo actually fairly cheap...use this as a temporary fix. xD

Edited by TygerLily, 04 May 2014 - 10:24 PM.

[Barantor]

Should be a good turn out tonight, might need a bigger teamspeak lol.

[VtTimber]

This actually has me excited. I'll try to get on tonight, already created an account and will mark as 'maybe'. Any provisions for coming late?

[oldradagast]

Cool idea!

Hmm... I wish the game let you revert to Stock configuration for a match for free - no need to spend money or time reconstructing it. Just an idea... Ah, well - have fun!

[General Taskeen]

SilentScreamer, on 04 May 2014 - 08:29 PM, said:

I have restored a firestarter S, shadowhawk 2H and jagermech DD for play. I really expect the firestarter to be the star, but I am looking forward to tbe shadowhawk most of all because of LRM5 SRM2 Medium Laser & AC5 just seems a strange combo.

Nobody will mind if I leave endosteel equiped if I do not use to extra weight it frees up right?

Just make sure its built per its record sheet, IE Classic BattleTech:

The DD example: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...ab#i=65&l=stock - Basically make sure all the weapons, heatsinks, equipment (like CASE), and ammo are in the spots they are supposed to be, and make sure it has the stock armor values. If it has free space, that won't matter as much and you'll save c-bills if you really want to re-customize it later for "mwo public meta."

So far, after playing stocks for an entire week everyone has been pretty honest in bringing an actual stock 'mech. Its been a lot of fun testing it as well.

People will be surprised very quickly how fun it is to have each 'Mech type and their variants being unique and different and have much clearer roles than "mwo meta" where 'Mechs are mostly the same build. The gameplay is also much slower and drawn out (Mechs are slower and heat has to be managed better). A lot of 'Mechs are no longer marginalized in Stock Mode and are more useful in it like the 3 you listed there.

Edited by General Taskeen, 05 May 2014 - 05:44 AM.

[Rushin Roulette]

InRev, on 03 May 2014 - 05:53 AM, said:

After last night, we can now add the Catapult-K2 to the "mechs that rock when stock" list!

If you think that one is good, then you will love the ultimate stock brawler, its really fast for a stock mech (not much slower than a stock light), has nearly full armour... and best of all your opponents will positively hate your flamers. In the right situation, you can keep 2 mechs in nearly permanent shutdown if you get the right ones to flame (Jenners have notoriously bad heat management for example)

[Barantor]

I'm interested if flamers are better in stock mechs too. Will be neat to see tonight.

[SilentScreamer]

General Taskeen, on 05 May 2014 - 05:38 AM, said:

Just make sure its built per its record sheet, IE Classic BattleTech:

Yup, nothing like the 3025 mechs with nothing but ammunition in a side torso and no CASE....KA-BOOM!

[Barantor]

SilentScreamer, on 05 May 2014 - 09:23 AM, said:

Yup, nothing like the 3025 mechs with nothing but ammunition in a side torso and no CASE....KA-BOOM!

It happened the other night, also had some overheating kabooms lol.

[TygerLily]

VtTimber, on 05 May 2014 - 04:55 AM, said:

This actually has me excited. I'll try to get on tonight, already created an account and will mark as 'maybe'. Any provisions for coming late?

We should have people on for a good while. If you're late and there's not room in the 12vs12 matches, we'll put together a Premium Private Lobby and drop with less than full teams (4v4, 8v8, etc).

oldradagast, on 05 May 2014 - 05:29 AM, said:

Cool idea!

Hmm... I wish the game let you revert to Stock configuration for a match for free - no need to spend money or time reconstructing it. Just an idea... Ah, well - have fun!

Yes, an actual Stock Mode would be excellent! As far as cheaper retrofits, check this out.

[Gr33d0]

Epic!

[PROCUSSION]

If only we had the urbanmech...