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[Adiuvo]

IraqiWalker, on 22 May 2014 - 08:46 AM, said:

Yes, the Jenner can ridge hump better than the FS9, but if you are ridge humping in a light, something has already gone wrong.

Ridge humping is the only thing you should be doing during the early stages of a match. Mechs aren't hurt enough for you to pick them off nor are positions set well enough for you to maneuver around in relative safety or effectiveness.

Edited by Adiuvo, 22 May 2014 - 09:31 AM.

[IraqiWalker]

Okay, ridge humping and strafing are different things, in my mind.

What I meant by ridge humping is sitting at the base of a ridge, walk up slowly until you can pop your weapons and as little of your body as possible, before firing on a target, then walking back down.


Just to clarify, That's what I think of, when I say ridge humping. Cresting for a second to do a drive by while running at full speed may count as ridge humping, but it's not what I meant.

[Nothing Whatsoever]

I like both, I still need more time in Firestarters to get more of feel for them compared to Jenners. Both can easily share the XL 280 also.

And I wanted to share an FS9-A build I've used with 6 ML.

I've used similar builds with the FS9-S and H without AMS and using a single ERLL on the right arm instead of two MLs in the arm and with MLs (and MGs for the H-variant) in the torso.

Liberal use of JJ and inclines, are not too much of a headache with a pinch of patience and/or fire discipline along with a grateful helping of teamwork since you are acting as the 'Light' squirrel on your intended target.

[juxstapo]

Nothing will supplant the JR7 for what it is, an armed to the teeth speedboat. I positively adore all of mine.

That said, the Firestarter, now that I've basic'd em and elited my -S, is starting to shine as a light brawler, (Vs other lights). Mostly due to balanced hardpoints and lower arm actuators.
Against heavier chassis I still use it much like a Jenner, or rather in my de facto method for lights vs heavier; drive bys and back-knifing.

Might just be technique and first-wave-closed-beta familiarity, but to me the Jenner squirrels better.

Edited by juxstapo, 25 May 2014 - 05:27 PM.

[IraqiWalker]

juxstapo, on 25 May 2014 - 05:25 PM, said:

Nothing will supplant the JR7 for what it is, an armed to the teeth speedboat. I positively adore all of mine.

That said, the Firestarter, now that I've basic'd em and elited my -S, is starting to shine as a light brawler, (Vs other lights). Mostly due to balanced hardpoints and lower arm actuators.
Against heavier chassis I still use it much like a Jenner, or rather in my de facto method for lights vs heavier; drive bys and back-knifing.

Might just be technique and first-wave-closed-beta familiarity, but to me the Jenner squirrels better.

The Jenner is stockier, and shorter I believe. So it's not as easy to hit it.

[IraqiWalker]

sneeking, on 26 May 2014 - 01:42 AM, said:

the 9k easy makes the best ml platform in the whole game, not many big boys want to hang about eating 8×ml alphas for very long ( with 295 engine and three additional dhs it can re cycle that alpha at a reasonable rate ) add to that the near constant sustainable barrage of chain fire and more latteral target range than jenner, well its respectable speed once mastered makes it one hell of a package.
even other lights think twice ( the two torso ml may not be much use against anything but ranged targets ) but an up close light wont like you sweeping the leg with tripple group fired ml from the arms while you dance in crazy eights n circles. they usualy break it off quickly.

My problem is gonna be running an XL 295 with 8MLs, you might want to downgrade to an XL 275. Still have the same amount of DHs, but a couple more tons of free weight to have more armor in there.

[Alaskan Nobody]

IraqiWalker, on 26 May 2014 - 11:37 AM, said:

My problem is gonna be running an XL 295 with 8MLs, you might want to downgrade to an XL 275. Still have the same amount of DHs, but a couple more tons of free weight to have more armor in there.

XL280 comes with a few chassis - and weighs the same

[IraqiWalker]

Shar Wolf, on 26 May 2014 - 11:50 AM, said:

XL280 comes with a few chassis - and weighs the same

true

[C E Dwyer]

I still use both from time to time

I've 1/1 mastered all lights, but I'll never be a great light pilot

Jenner's easier to use as a novice (limited arm movement and more compact) as you say its build makes it almost a CT on legs.

The oxide I do like a lot despite no jump jets for much the same reasons OP likes them, its introduction, gave me the confidence to go out and learn light mechs.

Only reason I feel to take a Firestarter over a Jenner those machine guns, makes the Ember crit central, and they do crit alot having four of them, and 4ml's opens up armour far better than the erll/mg spider

[Felio]

Windsaw, on 27 April 2014 - 06:23 AM, said:

My concern wasn't so much that it would replace the Jenner but the Commando.
You know, I was mainly a Commando pilot for most of the time and I thought that the Firestarter would have almost everything that the Command has and more.

That would be a bigger issue before commandos got an engine cap buff. Now they are the fastest mechs in the game, just a smidge faster than lolcusts. My TDK feels like a ninja. My Ember feels like a light tank.

[Felio]

Koniving, on 12 May 2014 - 02:21 PM, said:

If it is replacing the Jenner, it's only because THE JENNER STILL HAS NOT RECEIVED ITS HITBOX OVERHAUL from the project that mysteriously stopped in December when the guy decided to go on a vacation...and apparently either still has been or just never got back to the project.

Yeah, I have run jenners with 5/5 armor on the side torsi with no problems. Maybe 10/10 in case you run into streaks, but it's rarely necessary.

Every now and then, I think about that hitbox and get agitated. I have two guesses:

1) They stopped so they could get these clan mechs out the door.

2) They will forget about the project or just never get around to it because other things will come up, and it will never be finished. And Ravens will have their "temporary" leg nerf for all eternity.

Edited by Felio, 26 May 2014 - 12:36 PM.