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[Joseph Mallan]

CapperDeluxe, on 02 May 2014 - 05:06 AM, said:

FRANKENMECH!!!

I'll take two please!!!

[D34K]

Alcom Isst, on 02 May 2014 - 04:48 AM, said:

You mean this?
I don't feel all that threatened.

Good, good... yes, there's no threat here. Move along. Nothing to see.

[Josef Nader]

Daekar, on 02 May 2014 - 04:45 AM, said:

Because we don't have sized hardpoints, which allows customization and simultaneously makes it difficult for any mech to have a unique identity. For better or for worse, it's what we have.

The Jenner has a unique identity. Its got a large CT, the best maneuvering characteristics of the 35 tonners, mid-height weapons (compared to the Raven's high and Firestarter's low), it jumps, supports both energy and missiles, has smaller leg hitboxes than the Raven, and a number of other quirks that help it stand out.

Mechs have plenty of character beyond what weapons they can mount.

[Joseph Mallan]

Alcom Isst, on 02 May 2014 - 04:48 AM, said:

You mean this?
I don't feel all that threatened.

What you don't want to see what a Adder might be like???

[Davers]

Luca M Pryde, on 02 May 2014 - 04:14 AM, said:

Why can a Jenner have a ppc? I thought innersphere mechs didn't have omni mechs till much later and the jenner was not an omni mech so it can never have a ppc!

It's chassis wasn't designed that way?

Shouldn't this be in the New Player section?

MW:O has what is called a 'mech lab' that allows you to customize your mech however you want, with few restrictions.

[Lootee]

Clan Jenner IIC with 6 heavy medium lasers plz.

That one would be a true 3 second Atlas coring Jenner. It'll shut down afterwards, but the other guy is dead. (Jenner nerfs incoming...)

Edited by PanchoTortilla, 02 May 2014 - 08:00 AM.

[Ultimax]

Barantor, on 02 May 2014 - 04:55 AM, said:

I'm not worried about them either, just seems silly to me that they even have the option to.

*shrug* Whatever though, I am having a good time with private matches and stock mechs.

I don't really see what's silly about it.

If a Jenner can mount 6 tons and 6 slots worth of Medium Lasers, is it such a stretch it could mount a single 3 slot, 7 ton weapon?

[MeiSooHaityu]

Heck, I just with the Locust 1V could have held one PPC. It would have made that mech far more worth taking.

[Wieland]

Luca M Pryde, on 02 May 2014 - 04:14 AM, said:

Why can a Jenner have a ppc? I thought innersphere mechs didn't have omni mechs till much later and the jenner was not an omni mech so it can never have a ppc!

It's chassis wasn't designed that way?

Because this isnt Battletech.
This is SMOG.

[Almond Brown]

Josef Nader, on 02 May 2014 - 05:24 AM, said:

The Jenner has a unique identity. Its got a large CT, the best maneuvering characteristics of the 35 tonners, mid-height weapons (compared to the Raven's high and Firestarter's low), it jumps, supports both energy and missiles, has smaller leg hitboxes than the Raven, and a number of other quirks that help it stand out.

Mechs have plenty of character beyond what weapons they can mount.

Sadly for so many, a Mechs character is only Weapons deep.

[Mcgral18]

Ultimatum X, on 02 May 2014 - 08:09 AM, said:

I don't really see what's silly about it.

If a Jenner can mount 6 tons and 6 slots worth of Medium Lasers, is it such a stretch it could mount a single 3 slot, 7 ton weapon?

Well, going from 2 tons (stock loadout) to 7 tons is a pretty big jump. The PPC would likely take a bit more power as well.

But it's going to invalidate the upcoming slow lights which pack PPCs stock, more then likely.

[Almond Brown]

Wieland, on 02 May 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

Because this isnt Battletech.
This is SMOG.

You're SMOG too then.

(Some Mad Online Guy)

[Prezimonto]

Barantor, on 02 May 2014 - 04:28 AM, said:

Yup, but not without huge costs and downsides.

No downsides here.

No real costs here either. One time cbill fee's aren't honest costs the way these modifications should be.

[Koniving]

CapperDeluxe, on 02 May 2014 - 05:06 AM, said:

FRANKENMECH!!!

Ironic, that this is quite literally how the Clan mechs will work in MWO. Minus the cross-mech swaps.

[Lootee]

Mcgral18, on 02 May 2014 - 08:27 AM, said:

Well, going from 2 tons (stock loadout) to 7 tons is a pretty big jump. The PPC would likely take a bit more power as well.

How did you get only 2 tons?

The most common JR7-D has:
4 x Medium Laser (1 ton ea, 4 tons total)
1 x SRM4 (2 tons)
1 x SRM ammo (1 ton)

That adds up to 7 tons. It's an even swap 7 tons of weaponry for a 7 ton weapon. The Jenner is one of the most heavily armed light mechs in the BT universe, certainly in the 3025 era. But not horrible later on either.

Edited by PanchoTortilla, 02 May 2014 - 08:53 AM.

[Trauglodyte]

CapperDeluxe, on 02 May 2014 - 05:06 AM, said:

FRANKENMECH!!!

That's what the Jester should have been. But nooooooooooooooo!!!

Anyway, I don't much care for the PPC Jenner/Raven/Firestarter etc. But, I would mind it a lot less if we actually had heat penalties in game. The whole problem with that mech is that its heat load is a liability but we don't have to sweat that. And, as someone else said, we don't have drastic weapon or engineering issues (mech quirks but I get why - too much to deal with) so we're all free to run around as we want driving whatever monstrosity we want with nothing so much as a slap on the wrist. PGI wants us to be crazy with mech builds and I, too, support that. I just don't like how there is no down side to anything we do.

[Barantor]

Ultimatum X, on 02 May 2014 - 08:09 AM, said:

I don't really see what's silly about it.

If a Jenner can mount 6 tons and 6 slots worth of Medium Lasers, is it such a stretch it could mount a single 3 slot, 7 ton weapon?

Silly in that it pretty much nukes the battletech flavor out of the water and then drinks it like a fine wine and afterward farts.

There are specific PPC armed lights that are in BT, but if you can just slap a ppc on any light so easily it kinda seems silly to even put them in? Why have a tall panther when you can have a smaller jenner?

Just seems silly to me and yeah I know "lore doesn't matter, yadda, yadda, yadda...."

[Joseph Mallan]

Barantor, on 02 May 2014 - 09:05 AM, said:

Silly in that it pretty much nukes the battletech flavor out of the water and then drinks it like a fine wine and afterward farts.

There are specific PPC armed lights that are in BT, but if you can just slap a ppc on any light so easily it kinda seems silly to even put them in? Why have a tall panther when you can have a smaller jenner?

Just seems silly to me and yeah I know "lore doesn't matter, yadda, yadda, yadda...."

Why would I slap one on a Jenner if I had a Panther???

[Trauglodyte]

Joseph Mallan, on 02 May 2014 - 09:07 AM, said:

Why would I slap one on a Jenner if I had a Panther???

You wouldn't. Both are Kurita garbage anyway so you'd be cruising in your Commando and Firestarter. Regardless, the Panther IS the PPC Jenner so you'd be running the mech built around the PPC and not playing Mech Warrior haberdashary.

[Mcgral18]

PanchoTortilla, on 02 May 2014 - 08:51 AM, said:

How did you get only 2 tons?

The most common JR7-D has:
4 x Medium Laser (1 ton ea, 4 tons total)
1 x SRM4 (2 tons)
1 x SRM ammo (1 ton)

That adds up to 7 tons. It's an even swap 7 tons of weaponry for a 7 ton weapon. The Jenner is one of the most heavily armed light mechs in the BT universe, certainly in the 3025 era. But not horrible later on either.

The PPC goes on an arm. The jenner has 2 MLs on each arm. Each ML is 1 tons. If you have 2 ton on one arm, and 7 tons on another...what kind of balance do you get? 5 more on one side.

Edited by Mcgral18, 02 May 2014 - 09:12 AM.