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[Jun Watarase]

The reason is simple : Most of those are going to be sold anyway. So we spend a LOT of c-bills buying engines and weapons that we sell immediately because we have no intention of using them anyway. This is especially true for veterans who have well stocked inventories already, so we spend 6 million+ paying for an expensive XL engine and other stuff that we all sell immediately and we lose 3 million for no good reason.

This happened when i bought a STK-5M and sold the XL engine and practically everything it came with, and ended up with a chassis worth only about 2m (sell price). The original mech costed 10 mil+, i sold pretty much everything that came with it (no reason to use a 315 when a 300 engine has the same slots for heatsinks), and i ended up losing 3mil+.

Its part of why people try out new mechs very rarely, we have to spend 10 mil or more for an assault when we just want the chassis.

And its pretty silly when we have to pay to downgrade from endo/FF/artemis/etc to get the build we want.

It really doesnt help that running a engine size that isnt in multiples of 25 makes no sense whatsoever, and most mechs come with engines that arent in multiples of 25, so vets just sell them immediately. And take a huge c-bill hit.

Edited by Jun Watarase, 03 May 2014 - 02:10 PM.

[Bigbacon]

and give the option to buy equipment without having to add it to a mech.

[Durant Carlyle]

Bigbacon, on 03 May 2014 - 02:49 PM, said:

and give the option to buy equipment without having to add it to a mech.

lol

Most people don't buy unnecessary stuff. Most of the players of this game buy the minimum of engines/weapons/equipment/modules to swap between the 'Mechs they own. Buying something without putting it directly into a build for immediate use is the very definition of "unnecessary stuff."

[Chr1701]

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Bigbacon, on 03 May 2014 - 03:49 PM, said:

and give the option to buy equipment without having to add it to a mech.

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lol

Most people don't buy unnecessary stuff. Most of the players of this game buy the minimum of engines/weapons/equipment/modules to swap between the 'Mechs they own. Buying something without putting it directly into a build for immediate use is the very definition of "unnecessary stuff."

That is entirely not true. You may have a build in mind and want to buy the components first, before breaking up your current setup. Or you may want to have every engine possible so you have variety in trying out your setups... many reasons, and good ones too.

Edited by Chr1701, 04 May 2014 - 06:55 AM.

[Durant Carlyle]

Chr1701, on 04 May 2014 - 06:49 AM, said:

That is entirely not true. You may have a build in mind and want to buy the components first, before breaking up your current setup. Or you may want to have every engine possible so you have variety in trying out your setups... many reasons, and good ones too.

You might want that. If so, you are a minority, just like I'm a minority in that every one of my 38 'Mechs has its own engine and equipment and weapons.

And one of every engine? lol I have 38 engines in my 'Mechs, plus another 10 or so stockpiled, but even I don't have all of the engines. I probably could, but it would be a huge waste of C-Bills, because the majority of engine ratings just don't get used due to weight or built-in heat sinks.

And in case you want to test out whether builds work or not, use Smurfy. Much better than buying unnecessary stuff with your imaginary space-bucks.

[OznerpaG]

i'd like this option - your paying full price for weapons and engine you'l likely rip off the mech the second you buy it, so why have them installed in the first place

[Pjwned]

Anything to reduce the ridiculous, unfun grinding crap just to try out a new mech is fine by me. I made a thread a while ago about this same issue basically and I still feel the same way, I was about to play a bunch of matches for the double XP weekend in an effort to try out a new Centurion build, but then I remembered how tedious and not fun it is to grind out the unwanted variant mechs and then grind further to get elites fully unlocked on top of spending well over 10m c-bills to do so.

Anyways, the point is I would like to see this happen, but for the record my complaints about the grinding go beyond just buying unneeded parts in the mech store; I'm not too optimistic for any changes however.

Edited by Pjwned, 11 May 2014 - 01:04 AM.

[Myke Pantera]

Excellent idea! The main reason why i still don't own a RVN-3L is because i'm reluctant to pay for a XL210 which i won't use on any mech ever.

EDIT: Unless they let me put it into a 20t mech. And no, i don't play ECM Commandos, and never will.

Edited by Myke Pantera, 19 May 2014 - 08:02 AM.

[Xoxim SC]

I definitely wouldn't mind seeing this feature added, especially for those terribly expensive XL engine based models.

[Rapture00]

Really like this idea. Especially as a newer player that might not exactly like the weapon config that is presented and is piss poor on c-bills

[Bobzilla]

To be honest, i would really like this, even if the price works out to be the exact same as if you bought the mech, stripped everything off and sold the parts. You wouldn't actually save any money, just a lower price to obtain, and you wouldn't stockpile 100's of MLs and heatsinks.

[Helaton]

The only problem I could see is for a New Player. Being able to spend all your money on a Chasis, and it not be equipped could potentially be a negative experience. For existing players who want a frame, it works fine, but for new player to have a new mech and still not be able to drop with it would be frustrating.

At least with any current mech, you buy it and play with it right out the gates.

[HammerMaster]

Current state of the game...ok yes. But I am saying ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, NO! Why? Because stock mechs should have been viable from the beginning. They let the genie out of the bottle by making the game not feasible with stock rigs.

[Mister Raven]

Uhmmm....

once a player reaches a certain rank they should be allowed to buy naked mech chassis.

this will prevent the newbie from having a useless mech they wont be able to use for 100 games

Edited by Mister Raven, 12 May 2015 - 03:02 PM.

[VinJade]

like this idea as well. it would allow players to buy a mech they want and then build it from the ground up.
we see this happen all the time in bt books as well as in games/rpgs.

though the only mechs that should not have this option would be the clan mechs.

I remember my first mech was a shadow hawk which I stripped everything off of it as I will never use ACs or SRMs.

sold all of those weapons and lost a fraction of C-bills.

[Vellron2005]

Let us buy stock models or just empty frames, or... let us buy custom variants!

So let me pre-asemble my mech build and then buy it like that, or buy it empty and use the weapons and equipment I own, or simply buy the stock version..

That would be great..

But, there is an exploit to this.. as this would make expensive mechs considerably cheeper and then you could just fill'em up with cheap weapons and use them..

[Speedy Plysitkos]

could be fine, but for a price, that the current mechs should have cbill spare compared to strip ones. so 50/50.

But truth is, all the time i purchased a mech with cbills, im selling all, and making it my own.

[VinJade]

hmm,
a build it yourself mech would be fun but what would stop someone from putting the cheapest systems on the mech which would net the player very little loss in c-bills while making the mech still extremely cheap by 50%+?

[Vellron2005]

VinJade, on 19 May 2015 - 01:08 AM, said:

hmm,
a build it yourself mech would be fun but what would stop someone from putting the cheapest systems on the mech which would net the player very little loss in c-bills while making the mech still extremely cheap by 50%+?

Nothing... and that's ok.. cose' such a player would still have to invest heavily into that "cheap" mech to make it battle-ready and competitive..

A Nova with 12 flamers won't do much, will it?

[VinJade]

no, however if you already have the items you need for it then it isn't hard on the pocketbook as I am sure people already have parts and weapon systems from other mechs they may have once owned and then sold or from older configurations from the same mech they are currently using.

heck I still have LRMs, heat sinks, armor, ER PPC, & lasers from when I owned a commando so I am more or less set to for any future IS mech I will buy.

so I figure others maybe the same and able to buy a mech that is just's frame would leave them only having to buy the engine(unless they have some of those as well stocked up).