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[Shivus]

The only thing you can never get after the founders pack (except for the name in the credits with legendary) is the founder's mech, and only in elite and legendary. Which is all in all identical to a standard prime variant, just with a custom model, except that it has a bonus cbill multiplier on it. Everything else can be purchased after the fact just fine, except its not nearly as good a deal. 2 months of a premium account and $80 in game cash would equate to $110 normally assuming $15 per month of premium. .

Now I may agree that Legendary is feeding off the hype. But veteran and elite packs are just plain good deals for what you get.

Edited by Shivus, 20 June 2012 - 03:06 AM.

[Doubtful Danary]

SnowDragon, on 20 June 2012 - 02:37 AM, said:

Here, I got you something:


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[Valron]

Honestly I fail to see the problem. Firstly we live in a capitalistic society where a business is out to make a profit, even a F2p game has to make money or else the game will cease to exist. Battletech was created by FASA to make money. The exclusive mechs are only different in appearance,not in speed, armor, or firepower.

[Aesaar]

RoyalWave, on 20 June 2012 - 02:57 AM, said:

Nope, I am looking over at a CE I just bought recently.

I am just from an outside perspective seeing this as a cash in on diehards. Every aspect of the deal seems to be designed exactly for that purpose.

Then perhaps you'd care to explain to me exactly how Founder's Packs differ from preorder/CE bonuses.

Edited by Aesaar, 20 June 2012 - 03:01 AM.

[Strifvas]

So I guess you would consider me a fool for pouring 250.00 as an investment into a indy company two months ago as support for a release that will not be out until December 2012 or so.

I purchased the founders pack elite to support one of my favortie gaming franchises. I would have happily purchased Legendary but I had not budgeted for it. I honestly want in Open beta but would have done this to help them with support to upgrade hardware, and pay bills.

[Adridos]

RoyalWave, on 20 June 2012 - 02:57 AM, said:

I am just from an outside perspective seeing this as a cash in on diehards. Every aspect of the deal seems to be designed exactly for that purpose.

We suggested it, because we want to have the best MW game possible. It's not like devs thought of it and then charged us ridiculous ammount of money for a badge you will never even see...

If you don't think it's good, then you don't have to buy it. You can wait till August 7th, when the offer ends and you should see enough of the game to make a decision.

[RoyalWave]

Aesaar, on 20 June 2012 - 03:00 AM, said:

Then perhaps you'd care to explain to me exactly how Founder's Packs differ from preorder/CE bonuses.

Well, the pre order bonus is usually available free, for instance amazon always gives refunds up to ship date on pre-orders, aka how I tried Tera then cancelled for a refund after beta. Maxing out at 5-10 dollars, and usually refundable or available elsewhere for the case of SP games.

In the case of CE, well it depends on the game but the most recent one, daiblo 3, was 2 cosmetic items that had no effect on the game in any way, not increasing accruement of currency or access to anything ingame. Also that game featured a beta you could test and give the game a shot from a AAA company with a long history.

I have always been sketchy of the technical ability of piranha, and now with founders it just gets even worse.

Edited by RoyalWave, 20 June 2012 - 03:05 AM.

[Chief 117]

RoyalWave, on 20 June 2012 - 02:22 AM, said:

They want me to pay 120 dollars

Now, they only give you the option to do so, you can play completely for free.
It is just that us die-hard fans want to show other gaming companies that making BattleTech games is a good idea and the more that see this the more games we will have

[Ciryadin]

Developers need money to, plain and simple.

[ScientificMethod]

Who says you have to spend 120$? They put that option in there for those of us that couldn't decide on just one mech... Why blame them for giving the community something they wanted?

People are getting too worked up about this... PGI will gladly accept your money but they're not trying to mug you in a back alleyway.

Edited by ScientificMethod, 20 June 2012 - 03:10 AM.

[Schlifer]

Legendary costs 120$....Elite 60$

the difference is you get all the mechs and 1 more month worth of premium, for me this is an fine offer, and truth to be told my only experience with mechwarrior is mechwarrior 4 + Vengeance/mercenaries and it is one of the only games i stuck with for an LOONG period of time playing, and the offer is open for 4 weeks you got plenty of time to decide if you want it or not, if you dont have cash 1 month will pass you will get your paycheck sooner or later in order to get it your self.

They have an offer you can choose to grab it or you do not need to choose to grab it, the choice is up to each and one of us.

Milking is used wrong here, milking is what blizzard is doing to world of warcraft, pandas?......i am sry that is milking, they lost ideas and add pandas and they admitted to it, they do not know how to proceed further with the game they had problems at that front.

This is an offer of, here is what you get, this is the price, if you want it you can take it, if you do not want it you do need to grab it, and remember they are doing this for the community this offer popped i believe because the community wanted something of an funders package, and they made 3 options for all people.

Edited by schlifer, 20 June 2012 - 03:13 AM.

[combater]

The only thing I don't get is that do the founders people get in the game faster?

[Whip]

I saw it as a unique opurtunity to be involved with something that I have a great fondness for.

But then, I have been playing Mech Warrior since the original was released over 20 Years ago (time flies when your having fun or waiting for the next installment of a great game)

Sides, how many of you would spend near couple of grand in hardware upgrades, graphic cards, joysticks, sound cards, keyboards, mice, and systems etc etc etc and not blink at the price?

$120.00......Mate.....I spent 10 times that for just a graphics card which will more and likely be superseded in less than 12 months.

A true gamer will normally pay anything to further their addiction, so your troll I mean your point is?

P.S...Will secretely buy anyone's closed Beta key, price is strictly what I am prepared to pay (5 figures comes to mind)

Edited by Whip, 20 June 2012 - 03:12 AM.

[Roastage]

It gives you the opportunity to be at the grass roots level of a game your enthusiastic about. If the game flops you lost the gamble. On the other hand if its a great success you potentially made an excellent long term investment.

The developers have gone through a long and undoubtedly expensive process to bring the game to this point and have the ongoing costs of keeping the beta servers running and regularly updated with no income. This offer gives the team the ability to demonstrate interest in the game in real terms to investors and other interested parties (publishers etc.).

In the end I don't expect this will change your mind but I don't think you should be suprised or angry. If you feel the packages are unreasonable you can choose to go without at the cost of leveling and accumulting currency slower.

[Valron]

You seem to think we have been taken for a ride, but i bought the elite pack for the value of it, and the fact that i love mechwarrior.

For the $60 i spent on the elite pack i got:

$80 of in game currency
$30 for two month premium subscription(based on a guess of $14.99 a month
1 Exclusive mech with C-bill boost(Unknown value at this point)
Early access(More valuable to some than others.

So just looking at the sheer monetary aspect I spent $60 and received $110 worth of product/services, I call that coming out ahead.

That is not even mentioning supporting the rebirth of a beloved franchise that i thought was long dead, and looks to be making a magnificent come back

Edited by Valron, 20 June 2012 - 03:15 AM.

[Aesaar]

RoyalWave, on 20 June 2012 - 03:04 AM, said:

Well, the pre order bonus is usually available free, for instance amazon always gives refunds up to ship date on pre-orders, aka how I tried Tera then cancelled for a refund after beta. Maxing out at 5-10 dollars, and usually refundable or available elsewhere for the case of SP games.

In the case of CE, well it depends on the game but the most recent one, daiblo 3, was 2 cosmetic items that had no effect on the game in any way, not increasing accruement of currency or access to anything ingame. Also that game featured a beta you could test and give the game a shot from a AAA company with a long history.

The effect on gameplay from Founder's mechs is a small boost in XP/C-bill gain when using that mech, a temporary premium account that does the same, and currency (and we don't know what it can be used for yet). You can't seriously tell me that's a significant effect on gameplay.

In addition, you were talking about how they want you to pay 120$ for a game we don't have much info on in order to milk money from the "diehard fans". So again, how does that differ from any company allowing you to preorder a CE before a demo is released, which happens all the time?

The entire point of a CE is to cater to fans who have faith that developer will deliver a decent product. You preodered the D3 CE (I expect, since you talk about it) because you expected Blizzard would give you something good. You don't have that faith in PGI, so now it's suddenly a money-grab?

Nothing's forcing you to buy a Founder's Pack, and while you'll miss out on minor bonuses and shinier paintjobs, you won't be at any real disadvantage.

PS curse my post-editing!

Edited by Aesaar, 20 June 2012 - 03:18 AM.

[Valron]

Aesaar, on 20 June 2012 - 03:12 AM, said:

The effect on gameplay from Founder's mechs is a small boost in XP/C-bill gain when using that mech

Founders mechs only give a 25% c-bill boost, sadly no xp boost

[LordDeathStrike]

devs could tell us out of how many beta players there are, what level of pack they bought, that would indicate, without breaking nda, what the people that have seen the game think it was worth paying in. mind you, they should do it email poll style maybe, and tell us the % of responders that bought a pack, didnt, and what level of pack.

Valron, on 20 June 2012 - 03:16 AM, said:

Founders mechs only give a 25% c-bill boost, sadly no xp boost

prem sub gives cbill and xp boost, mech gives additional bill boost.

[GHQCommander]

No one is asking you to pay anything.

It is an offer, on the table, with clear terms and conditions.

Take it or leave it.

As for the price, it is good compared to games like STO which has lifetime sub for $299.99 which does not even give a credit bonus. It makes the forum name blue, which is a simple case of CSS (web page styling language). Kids do this at school, CSS that is. Yet so many people purchased it on STO because they are fans, they want to support the game and help give it a chance.

Same with this game. Only they have actually put time and effort into every little thing. They created two sets of the founders badges, obviously not liking the first they changed it. That is how much effort they are putting in.

Far more than Cryptic did with Star Trek Online and people pay double for it.

[ScientificMethod]

combater, on 20 June 2012 - 03:09 AM, said:

The only thing I don't get is that do the founders people get in the game faster?

To be blunt, no. But that's w/e in my eyes, the dev's saw the support for their title yesterday and I'm sure they feel secure in their ability to fund any new content.