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[Roland]

MortVent, on 11 May 2014 - 12:15 PM, said:

If you line up shots and don't take snap shots at circling lights, yes you're accuracy is better. When you are in a missile boat or a slow heavy trying to deal with a fast moving target with torso mounted weapons. It becomes a lot harder to hit them.

Most of my mech battles are in mechs with little to no arm weapons. Or with arms that are ... launchers! I tend to keep most of my ordance in torso slots and use the arms as shields on others. It's a choice... post your stats and lets see them.

Dude, medium lasers are HIT SCAN weapons. In terms of holding all of the damage on target, they can require some degree of skill just because they require actively tracking a target while the laser burns... but the accuracy rating in the stats counts a hit as simply being able to get SOME damage onto the target.. If you just sweep a laser over the target, it counts as a hit for the purpose of accuracy tracking.

22% is really, really terrible for medium lasers. Like.. the worst I've ever seen anyone post, ever.

In terms of my stats, my accuracy rate with Medium Lasers is over 90%.

[InRev]

Roland, on 11 May 2014 - 12:31 PM, said:

22% is really, really terrible for medium lasers. Like.. the worst I've ever seen anyone post, ever.

In terms of my stats, my accuracy rate with Medium Lasers is over 90%.

Yeeeeeeah I don't even know how it's possible to have a hit-rate that low. Even if you're having a constant seizure while firing them, as long as you're looking in the general direction of a mech, you should be able to score some kind of hit.

Yo MortVent, what's your ping? Also, are you prone to giving the opfor a free Discotheque light-show over a ridge-line? I can't make heads or tails of it . . .

[TimePeriod]

@MortVert. Your numbers on the chart and the things you choose to say, does not add up at all what-so-ever. If I read the chart right you are one of those tards firing medium lasers at targets 800m away O_O

[MortVent]

InRev, on 11 May 2014 - 12:36 PM, said:

Yeeeeeeah I don't even know how it's possible to have a hit-rate that low. Even if you're having a constant seizure while firing them, as long as you're looking in the general direction of a mech, you should be able to score some kind of hit.

Yo MortVent, what's your ping? Also, are you prone to giving the opfor a free Discotheque light-show over a ridge-line? I can't make heads or tails of it . . .

Ping averages from 40 to 90 most nights, some maps worse than others. Most of the problem is torso weapons vs a light circle of death in a heavy catapult. If I'm able to go up against something about the same speed that I can maneuver against i do better. But since my main back up is the mediums on all my mechs, my main targets are fast ones that can easily jump/strafe out of my firing arc while I try snap shots.

Since few pugs will support each other.

Edited by MortVent, 11 May 2014 - 12:41 PM.

[wanderer]

Gyrok, on 11 May 2014 - 12:16 PM, said:

That is how I got it, in a LRM battlemaster, with 980 something damage and 5 kills.

You want hilarious, I got it in a 6-MG Jagermech.

And I died halfway through the match (we won in the end); How is that possible?

[Bishop Steiner]

I swear, the QQ in this forces me to keep a LRM boat, just so I can bathe in the tears of those who can't figure out cover.

[TimePeriod]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 May 2014 - 12:47 PM, said:

I swear, the QQ in this forces me to keep a LRM boat, just so I can bathe in the tears of those who can't figure out cover.

For all our sakes Bitc-Bishop Steiner, you may very well improve the average odds for the PUG.

[Bishop Steiner]

TimePeriod, on 11 May 2014 - 12:50 PM, said:

For all our sakes Bitc-Bishop Steiner, you may very well improve the average odds for the PUG.

aw look, lil ums panties get in a bunch? L2P scrub.

[TimePeriod]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 May 2014 - 12:53 PM, said:

aw look, lil ums panties get in a bunch? L2P scrub.

You do realize I was being honest? Not sarcastic.
;_; Bishop hates me...

[Ngamok]

It's Official !!! Just because it's in the title.

[Screech]

Roland, on 11 May 2014 - 12:31 PM, said:

22% is really, really terrible for medium lasers. Like.. the worst I've ever seen anyone post, ever.

Also the 368 hits for 574 damage works out to 1.6 damage per hit with mediums. So either shooting at really bad ranges or missing more then hitting on the hits.

[Bishop Steiner]

TimePeriod, on 11 May 2014 - 12:55 PM, said:

You do realize I was being honest? Not sarcastic.
;_; Bishop hates me...

lolz, ah what, decided to avoid the juvenile name calling this time? Tsk tsk tsk. Own it dude, You gonna try to call someone out, own it. And sometimes, deal with getting owned. If you think LRMs are EZMode, you need to play a better class of competition, plain and simple. If they were the "win button" you claim, top tier players would flock to them, because that is how one becomes top tier, by taking the most effective, least risk path to success.

LRMs are a great psychological weapon, and great for scattering and damaging uncoordinated players. So yeah, they can be effective in PUG play. They can also be easily overcome. I own exactly one LRM boat, but have 3-4 mechs with LRMs on them, because of how you can use them and not be a total waste. But there is a reason LRMs almost always have the lowest accuracy rates of all weapons for players, because they are slow, easy to counter and require a lock to be maintained, which you certainly can't count on the other players to do, so if you want to be effective, you have to do it yourself. Which means exposing your mech for a whole lot longer than your average poptart ever has to worry about.

If you are dying to LRMs with any regularity, it means you are doing it wrong. Stop mistaking concealment for cover. Stop thinking you should be able to stand in the middle of a field in a slow mech and not get killed. I drive Medium and Heavy Brawlers and Flankers, almost exclusively. I currently have 2 mechs with AMS. None with ECM. I almost never die to LRMs, nor get seriously hurt by them. Not because I am an amazing player, but because I pay attention, and use terrain to move.

Tactics. Cover. Situational Awareness. Common Sense. ALL OP IN MWO.

[TimePeriod]

I never die to LRM's, I die to poptarts, brawlers and FLD.
I fling missiles everywhere and still consistently get 4-500 damage, at 200-220k cbills for a victory.
I rain down missiles on everyone and everything, which keeps people's heads down for a time being allowing my team to advance or take a shot at a target.
I may not be the best shot here on this pissing-match of a forum but I do everything I can to support my team once in the field simply by flinging things everywhere.

I don't need to focus, think about what cover is where, who am I shooting at or the amount of ammo I have left.

Why?
Because if I did everything correctly as you say my level of fun would drop very drastic. I do like the challenge, I like getting shot at and shooting back. I like taking a hit for the team and then in return coming back and finishing the job. I love it when I can beat someone at their own game with the odds against me, fighting tooth-nail and claw for the victory.

That's the whole point of these games in my eyes. To have fun in all its aspects and yet you and everybody else is putting it in a box with a label and saying "YOU MUST DO THIS". That ain't fun in my eyes which is why I get into so many arguments with the 'box-label-people'.

[Bishop Steiner]

TimePeriod, on 11 May 2014 - 01:20 PM, said:

I never die to LRM's, I die to poptarts, brawlers and FLD.
I fling missiles everywhere and still consistently get 4-500 damage, at 200-220k cbills for a victory.
I rain down missiles on everyone and everything, which keeps people's heads down for a time being allowing my team to advance or take a shot at a target.
I may not be the best shot here on this pissing-match of a forum but I do everything I can to support my team once in the field simply by flinging things everywhere.

I don't need to focus, think about what cover is where, who am I shooting at or the amount of ammo I have left.

Why?
Because if I did everything correctly as you say my level of fun would drop very drastic. I do like the challenge, I like getting shot at and shooting back. I like taking a hit for the team and then in return coming back and finishing the job. I love it when I can beat someone at their own game with the odds against me, fighting tooth-nail and claw for the victory.

That's the whole point of these games in my eyes. To have fun in all its aspects and yet you and everybody else is putting it in a box with a label and saying "YOU MUST DO THIS". That ain't fun in my eyes which is why I get into so many arguments with the 'box-label-people'.

Actually, I am rather not putting a label out except one, if people want to piss and moan about dying to LRMs, they need to learn how to play. Yes, you sound like in many ways you can become more efficient with your missiles, but you actually just talked about one of the uses I did, the psychological issue. It sounds like in most ways what you are trying to say is not too far from what I am saying, it's just you chose to address your opening post to me in an insulting and juvenile manner.

[Thunder Child]

I love LRM Boats. My Locust can run around in circles at a distance of about 800m and have all the enemy boats lobbing at me like there's no tomorrow. Meanwhile, my team can advance unmolested, because the Boats just HAVE TO KILL THE LOCUST! Now.... if it had been a Poptart or two, my Locust would have turned inside out in under a minute.

[Nineball69]

2 20 lrm and 2 10 lrm on my stalker with 2800 rounds gets about 700 to 900 dmg per game. I havnt had a game under 500 and ive been playing all day. Who ever says lrms are weak is insane.

[TimePeriod]

Nineball69, on 11 May 2014 - 01:40 PM, said:

2 20 lrm and 2 10 lrm on my stalker with 2800 rounds gets about 700 to 900 dmg per game. I havnt had a game under 500 and ive been playing all day. Who ever says lrms are weak is insane.

LRM's are best served in large numbers for everyone to enjoy regardless if they ordered them or not.

[Wolfways]

Low ELO test:

1) Stand next to cover.
2) Wait for "incoming missiles" and retreat behind cover.
3) Step out of cover.
4) Repeat steps 1-3.

If you get to step 4 more than twice you're in a low ELO

[Bishop Steiner]

Wolfways, on 11 May 2014 - 01:50 PM, said:

Low ELO test:

1) Stand next to cover.
2) Wait for "incoming missiles" and retreat behind cover.
3) Step out of cover.
4) Repeat steps 1-3.

If you get to step 4 more than twice you're in a low ELO

Because in any decent Elo bracket jumpsnipers will have cored you out before the missiles arrive, anyhow.

[Wolfways]

Nineball69, on 11 May 2014 - 01:40 PM, said:

2 20 lrm and 2 10 lrm on my stalker with 2800 rounds gets about 700 to 900 dmg per game. I havnt had a game under 500 and ive been playing all day. Who ever says lrms are weak is insane.

Depends on how good the enemy are.