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[Grendel408]

DJFrost, and any player wanting to know if they should put money into this game only needs to think of it like this: What is the game worth to you in MC cost? This is what I tell folks in my unit. If it's worth only buying a few Mechbays and some color and camo when on sale, then spend what you think it's worth. Don't fall into a line of a bunch of players who are boycotting any further funding due to their own personal opinions of the game or the Devs. Put what you think into the game that you believe is worth it. Don't buy the unlockable camo patterns (too expensive in my book), use a one-shot for 75 MCs vs. 750 to unlock for all variants (I still think spending 750 MCs should unlock for all Mechs)... want a Hero Mech? Wait for the sales to happen... I still think they should add a free Mechbay for any Hero Mechs purchased... you put what you want into it, not what others tell you to invest.

[DJFrost]

At this point, it has been voer 24 hours since a support request and no word back at all, there have been no replies from any officials on any of the posts I have made, and after confronting them on their facebook page and suggesting I may be uninstalling, they have blocked me from commenting on the page, and Im not the only one that has happened to.

PGI does not give two shits about the players, this is a money scam pure and simple. They have taken a franchise we all loved and turned it into a ******* scam. Ten minutes to find and load into a game for two minutes of unbalanced slaughter is hardly a game. Charging what they do, and calling it free to play is nearing false advertising and I am surprised that no one has actually filed any lawsuits against them yet for all the **** they have pulled.

If it weren't for the fact that I love the MW universe so much and that I can't find this anywhere else atm, I would have uninstalled weeks ago.

Maybe one day enough players will get some balls and pull a boycott for a week or so and show them how much the players should mean to the company. Until then, I will not spend a penny on the game and will milk what little free play is available. Its too bad for PGI too, I am getting a large chunk of money soon and would have had no issue investing in a game like this, if were actually run properly.

[Caswallon]

DJFrost, on 15 May 2014 - 09:02 AM, said:

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Until then, I will not spend a penny on the game and will milk what little free play is available. Its too bad for PGI too, I am getting a large chunk of money soon and would have had no issue investing in a game like this, if were actually run properly.

...aaaannndd Ragequit.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out and if you carry on like that you sir will do your blood pressure no good at all. So you've had a bad experience please then go find a GAME you like. Over 24 hours? Guess you not noticed there doing what they can for a couple of bad patches/revisions I have had an open ticket fr lots longer than that but they do get around to it.

Sheesh why take a GAME so seriously... and no don't tell me how big a fan you are, if you developed it or have contributed to its lore I might listen. But many of us have been enjoying Battletech in one way or another and none of them were perfect or anything like it for several years as well. Nothing gets fixed by angry words

Goddammit now I gone and defended PGI and I Hate doing that... Seriously people CHILL OUT.

[MrMasakari]

I don't really understand, If you have any doubt in the game or just dislike it then you don't invest your money. You don't really need to make a thread about it. PGI don't have to convince you to pay in, as plenty of others (including myself fund them regardless).

Also, had a great laugh at this.

DJFrost, on 15 May 2014 - 09:02 AM, said:

PGI does not give two shits about the players, this is a money scam pure and simple. They have taken a franchise we all loved and turned it into a ******* scam. Ten minutes to find and load into a game for two minutes of unbalanced slaughter is hardly a game. Charging what they do, and calling it free to play is nearing false advertising and I am surprised that no one has actually filed any lawsuits against them yet for all the **** they have pulled.

Its free to play! Why are you raging so hard, you don't have to pay for ANYTHING. Everyone knows exactly what they are paying for when they buy, so stop sticking your head in the sand. Making money off a non-pay to win cash store is NOT SCAMMING and is actually a predominately successful market. I still actively play MW3,MC/MC2 MW4-MW4 Mercs alongside this and I thoroughly enjoy MWO as well, even with its annoyances (Which they all have).

Edited by Artaire, 15 May 2014 - 09:26 AM.

[Grendel408]

DJFrost, on 15 May 2014 - 09:02 AM, said:

At this point, it has been *over 24 hours since a support request and no word back at all, there have been no replies from any officials on any of the posts I have made, and after confronting them on their *Facebook page and suggesting I may be uninstalling, they have blocked me from commenting on the page, and *I'm not the only one that has happened to.

PGI does not give two shits about the players, this is a money scam pure and simple. They have taken a franchise we all loved and turned it into a ******* scam. Ten minutes to find and load into a game for two minutes of unbalanced slaughter is hardly a game. Charging what they do, and calling it free to play is nearing false advertising and I am surprised that no one has actually filed any lawsuits against them yet for all the **** they have pulled.

I'm just curious if you've ever read the Terms of Use link? When contacting Support, were you as abrasive in your message to them as your own posts here? Do you generally react negatively when giving feedback to software or friends? The Devs (and I'm not trying to sound like I'm defending them) are working hard, according to their posts, to remedy some of the most recent issues that have stemmed from UI2.0, Match Maker, and other issues. I've been playing since Day 1 Closed Beta. The game has come a long way from where it was, yes. Could they have gotten to this point sooner, yes. Could they be more active and supportive in the Forums, yes. They are a small staff of people working to develop a game for us to play, a Free-2-Play game at that. Like I posted above... invest what you want... I spent on Legendary Founder's, Overlord Phoenix and Saber, and bought $30 MC packages a good handful of times... one thing I would say I'm most proud of PGI for is their cancer drive they did for Sarah. That held up some development right there, but it was for a very worthy cause... still, some found that to complain about.

[Opus]

Artaire, on 15 May 2014 - 09:24 AM, said:

PGI don't have to convince you to pay in, as plenty of others (including myself fund them regardless). ~ you don't have to pay for ANYTHING.

Don't lose sight of the sarcasm in his post...

some rage, some threaten, others just fade away .,., yada yada yada

I choose (as does many on this thread and though out the forums) to use sarcasm as a way to prod PGI into keeping us in the loop

[Summon3r]

DONT spend money on this game..... PGI has made an utter joke out of this mechwarrior title and of themselves.... FAIL 2.0 or was it UI 2.0? i cant remember now, zero content... patches? doesnt that mean to fix bugs? in this case its to add garbage cockpit items for people to BUY (lol) and to ADD more bugs and reduce game performance.

why you would spend money on a dieing game is beyond me, i mean good lord we were doing 12mans the other night for 4 hours straight and only played against 2 other 12 mans the whole time. and yes we had all game types selected in order to try and find more people to play.

i say a small prayer every night that we will one day get a magical all mighty patch of goodness!!.....

[DJFrost]

basically what i am saying is that they conned quite a few into buying founders packs etc, and have promised quite a bit. I am glad I didn't buy into it at the start. Why rage so hard? Didn't know cursing was raging. I started this thread as a naive attempt to try and maybe get some explanation as to why they are asking players to spend so much on the game. Paying for premium time that counts down even when not playing, charging players to hold private matches, even the vast difference in buy/sell prices of mechs and gear, all point to money grabbing. If they are that hard up, get a cloud funding project going, dont screw the players.

FYI, support replied, and my issue was with the program not recognizing a button on my mouse that is normally assignable. They couldn't even tell me the games actual button limit, just a guess. Ok, not everyone can know this right off hand, but if you are replying to a support request, you should at least know what you are explaining.

I know I am pissing a few people off with this post and you may think that I am raging, that's all good. i can't change anyone's opinion and am more than happy to be proven wrong, but from where I sit, I had been waiting ten years for a new MW title to drop, and am sick of being teased with the game as it is now. Starting to think PGI bit off more than it can chew with this game, and honestly, that makes me sad.

The game looks great. The actual game play, unbalanced slaughters aside, is awesome. The community is one of the most passionate I have been a part of. If they could fix the issues mentioned before, this game and the company would be doing so much better. I would have had no issue paying full price for a proper release of this game had they gone that route, hell even expansions!

[Gattsus]

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Starting to think PGI bit off more than it can chew with this game, and honestly, that makes me sad.

I agree

[MrMasakari]

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DJFrost, on 15 May 2014 - 11:34 AM, said:

</p><p>basically what i am saying is that they conned quite a few into buying founders packs etc, and have promised quite a bit. I am glad I didn't buy into it at the start. Why rage so hard? Didn't know cursing was raging. I started this thread as a naive attempt to try and maybe get some explanation as to why they are asking players to spend so much on the game. Paying for premium time that counts down even when not playing, charging players to hold private matches, even the vast difference in buy/sell prices of mechs and gear, all point to money grabbing. If they are that hard up, get a cloud funding project going, dont screw the players. </p><p><br></p><p>FYI, support replied, and my issue was with the program not recognizing a button on my mouse that is normally assignable. They couldn't even tell me the games actual button limit, just a guess. Ok, not everyone can know this right off hand, but if you are replying to a support request, you should at least know what you are explaining.</p><p><br></p><p>I know I am pissing a few people off with this post and you may think that I am raging, that's all good. i can't change anyone's opinion and am more than happy to be proven wrong, but from where I sit, I had been waiting ten years for a new MW title to drop, and am sick of being teased with the game as it is now. Starting to think PGI bit off more than it can chew with this game, and honestly, that makes me sad.</p><p><br></p><p>The game looks great. The actual game play, unbalanced slaughters aside, is awesome. The community is one of the most passionate I have been a part of. If they could fix the issues mentioned before, this game and the company would be doing so much better. I would have had no issue paying full price for a proper release of this game had they gone that route, hell even expansions!</p><p>

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Well as a founder I pledged my money to support the legacy of Battletech, No-one was really 'conned' into anything as we all went in blind as virtual kickstarters. Personally I would like to have seen community warfare before the clans alongside fixing the joke of UI 2.0 but most other promised things are there, and if there is a problem PGI at least try and fix it. I don't know if you was around for the lag shielded godlike lights and ECM/Alpha eras but that was barely playable (some argue unplayable), alongside hit recognition issues, tonnes of bugs etc but now most of those things have been fixed, the game could be better sure but, its getting there slowly but surely.

Whether we like it or not, the aim of this game is to make money. I do not agree with PGI's marketing techniques, but you must understand that in the long run this kind of game/business model is a much more profitable(in the long run) and flexible product than a stand alone release (i.e. Mechwarrior 5). I will agree however that PGI are guilty of money grabbing but I can't say I blame them. Business is business and If they can get $210 just for releasing a small fraction of clan mechs that players want then why not. I will expect that the other favourite clan mechs, Shadow Cat, Hellbringer, Mad Dog, Nova Cat etc will come in another pack aswell, but you need to remember that the only bonus people will be getting is the Cbills on the prime variants, and the early access.

[BARBAR0SSA]

This was amazing read.

*Rabble rabble rabble* this game sucks why aren't you fixing it!

*rabble rabble* Why is no one responding to me, what are you busy doing!!!

[Grimmrog]

Grendel408, on 14 May 2014 - 03:33 PM, said:

DJFrost, and any player wanting to know if they should put money into this game only needs to think of it like this: What is the game worth to you in MC cost? This is what I tell folks in my unit. If it's worth only buying a few Mechbays and some color and camo when on sale, then spend what you think it's worth. Don't fall into a line of a bunch of players who are boycotting any further funding due to their own personal opinions of the game or the Devs. Put what you think into the game that you believe is worth it. Don't buy the unlockable camo patterns (too expensive in my book), use a one-shot for 75 MCs vs. 750 to unlock for all variants (I still think spending 750 MCs should unlock for all Mechs)... want a Hero Mech? Wait for the sales to happen... I still think they should add a free Mechbay for any Hero Mechs purchased... you put what you want into it, not what others tell you to invest.

Free 2 play games are today often a trap.
A virtuous circle of that trap.
For customers AND the companies itself.

In the past, games were made, they had demovesions and people bought them. These games were often made by small studios with some passionate developers doing a game they liked.
Later all these stuff had become companies that made games for profit. And thats the moment where games decayed into bad games.
Wh yis HL 3 not there? Valve could release any half baked crap, and people would rip it off their hands. Because valve is still in the core a bunch of people less profit driven, or at leats they have a totally different standard of quality.

And f2p games today? well look at the misery the Mechwarrior gamers are.

There si a game that is gettign runned by a company. A game the people basically like, because they like the mechwarrior universe.
Now they invest money by promises made. Those promises were not fulfilled. But what now? Not spending moeny would be the correct decision, but then they would not even have any kind of Mechwarrior anymore to play. The worst case. So people keep spending money and hope it will turn out different.
From the company point of view, what do you get? You see in your forum a lot of qq and rage. But still, money flows and why would a company change their strategy or behavior when people cry but the cash flows succesfully? Well they don't from a company point of view. And when the cash doesn't flows anymore, the games get shut down. Hardly does any kind of dev try to change their tactics to "save" the game.

Often f2p games have a heavy p2w component, these games rely on a few customer driven by "competition" to throw in thousends of dollars. Yes some individuals do that without troubles. but even the mass will have to rely on thee p2w components.

And now a little RL example.

I played APB:reloaded, and as a heavy performance issue striked the game around one year ago some clanbuddies went to play another f2p online game. Dragons Prohet if anyone knows that. We as the former Clan from APB started DP back in Beta. It was a great game back then, before it changed bad. And the guild we formed was "Indestructible". Starting as casuals having fun. Some guys later went into "pro" mode. The guild leader pushed the guild so far, it was THAT top guild of Dragons Prophet. But this was short. The guild soon dissolved since the game went a very bad and useless way.
anyways coming back to the topic, The Leader spent like 500€ into that game within a half of a year.
APB relaoded, which we now play again, is a game he spend around only 250€, but he plays that game since 3 years now.

So what game is now more successful? The one he palyed longer? The one he spend more money for? From the view of a game, its APB:Reloaded. From the view of a company, its Dragons Prophet.

And this is the massive problem with game developement todays. They re companies and profit driven.
Its basically like that:

Generate a Concept/Beta with cool features
Hype the game
Make massive profit in a short time
Milk aas much as possible with minimum new effort
Drop the game.
Repeat

Many of these games live short and generate a huge amount of profit. But they are not good games at all. And then these companies make a new one.

Mechwarrior is not p2w, which is rare in the f2p market. Thats why some things like colors are quite expensive. They do not sell needed consumables steadily, so some features of pure esthetics are just more expensive by this nature. Thats ok.
But now starts the trouble. People payed for stuff in Mechwarrior, by this they have expectations in the product they pay for. If these are not met, why bothering buying more for more promises and unforfilled expectations? Well to keep the game alive. But thats the doom of the gamers to stuck with their unstatsified status Quo.

I guess this meme is quite well known



And still it perfectly describes the issue.
Because the management will not listen to the guy pointing the actual problem. They listen to the other two gyus making actually the more company profitable advise. And since people still buy everythind offered these advises do work - fromt he company point of view.

And many people here would like to spend money for the game if they would know these money goes into guy No.3. But once people figure out, this guy was thrown out of the window, they just stop paying. But after people already spendt like 300+ €, it hardly cares the company, since this is already a big load of money someone spend for a SINGLE game. And yet the game does not even have a proper chatsystem. How to support such a thing? It's hard wanting to support something when they don't see improvements. They want to see their money changing something for good.
But PGI/IGP is trapped too, since there is somewhere a guy sitting wanting an interrest rate on the shares he has of the companies. And this will lead the companies to focus on generating income + interrests instead of just fixing stuff and trying to cover the costs.

An here wer are trapped when paying for a game making always the monetary decisions but not solving the real issues. We either do not pay and let the game die (which neither the company nor we really want to happen) or we pay and support the status quo, since management will see: Community manager reports QQ, Sales manager reports $$$. Everythign fine we continue as it is.

Do you know why so many Indie games are successful? Because they have and are what the old small studio games were, a few devs that love their game and work on it with passion, and all they care about is, that they can in the end feed themselves over the day. But yet they often make a lot more money since the result of the games coming out is amazing.
FTL, achived way more than needed delivered exactly what was promised. great game.

But how was it said recently for MWO: "others are pulling the strings" WTF? others? Who else than your customers should pull the strings? They founded the game so more or less they should be the guys havign the comanies shares. No one else the they should. The customers are the generation of income in a GAME. When you let others pull the strings where a game is going to, it may high likely go there without any gamers. And where this ends, well doesn't needs to be said.

Look at blizzard their WoW is generating loads of money since years and its p2p, simply because they are doing it right.

Something is going wrong with the current gaming market and this is sad, since this is generating a lot half baked or broken games. This is not an PGI/IGP only feature its something across the whole board.

[Vermaxx]

You shouldn't, unless you like grinding and you buy premium time. The hero mechs are overpriced except when they're on sale, champion mechs are a flat ripoff, and the clan stuff is getting nerf hammered to be in line with existing tech for balance.

I was going to buy a Timberwolf a la carte, since I haven't bought anything since closed beta. LURMageddon cured me of that in one solid day of playing. There's no need to spend 55 dollars on a 'cool mech' when I can be a team all star in a 50 ton Hunch AND get ignored in favor of "more dangerous" teammates.

[Barkem Squirrel]

The one item that was bothering me was only having 4 mech bays initially. Now with the two mechs with mech bays and the one free mech bay for winning 5 matches, it allows the non-paying player more mechs.

Say a few times a year PGI has events like these and maybe as a reward for a small number of wins, you get a few mechs and mech bays through the year. For those of use that have more than that, we know there are mechs we just like playing more than others. It may be due to play style, ability or they are just fun.

At first I though, why pay. The Game is not done. A few changes and listed development goals changed that last year. Now it looks better. Especially, with the extending of the licence from Microsoft through 2018.



Remember paying players need targets, but sometimes the targets like to switch the roles on us.

Edited by Barkem Squirrel, 17 May 2014 - 12:43 PM.