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[Kh0rn]

I know many many many people out there have been asking for this and So do I. Few days ago a topic here exploded about adding stock mech mode too the game. Iv never seen so many posts exploding one after the next. Its a fact most players want a Stock only game mode that will replicate the classic battles from the TT and cannon. Stock mech combat will bring back the Role warfare bringing in those obsolete mech's that no one really uses. It will add more tactics more diverse gameplay and I believe a lot of fun.

I want too put this out there and ask Who of you would like too see this become real. I am a dire hard BT fan and not that I dislike the current game, but I want something thats more MechWarrior closer too the older MechWarrior games, more too the lore too make us feel like these are mechs coming off the production lines and into combat ready too fight it out. Mech's like the Awesome 8Q and Hunchback 4G will once again have there place in the battle field. Mech's will function as they were created too do.

I believe there will be very little if not any Meta at all since these are all stock mechs there is not strapping on new engines or typical meta weapons. However I believe in order for us too get this we need our voices too be heard. Stock Mech Mondays are doing a great job but I think its time we go too get the real deal. I can be almost certain more people will come and play those dire hard fans will find it more too there liking and those who want too play the normal game by all means this is purely for those who seek a more of a MechWarrior experience.

How ever I do think maybe just one tweak too the stock mode will reduce the double armor all mechs come with e.g. 608 of a Atlas back too 304. The reason behind this is the ammo for the stock mech was not doubled so in order too balance it out the armor should also return too its true value. So lastly please lets get our voices heard. Send the message Lets get the heavy metal mashing back how it use too be Mechwarrior style.

Edited by Kh0rn, 14 May 2014 - 02:39 PM.

[Wolfways]

If there was a stock queue i would use nothing else, although i'm not sure how useful ER/PPC's would be with PGI's borked heat system.

[xeromynd]

Piloting stock mechs/trial mechs are my current way of keeping the spice in the game. Requires you to instantly learn and adapt to something new.

I would kill for this game mode.

[Kyle Wright]

Just remember even in stock mech ques there will always be mechs that are simply just better then others. The reason why units in CBT were so diverse was the simple fact that they piloted whatever the unit had available. Or if they were rich enough a family hand me down mech.

[Davers]

In before the thread gets closed by Ego.

[Phlinger]

Shhhh, we aren't allowed to discuss this.....

[Kh0rn]

It Still will bring back the old feeling of mechwarrior battletech I am here speaking and posting for those too get the voice out there too tell PGI hey we would like too play a old school version. A more role warfare , tactical gameplay of mechwarrior. I am tiered of the Meta, poptarts and so on and I am not the only one so please the more people we can get here the more I can show Niko this is something that will benefit the game. And draw some of those BT lovers who left back too play the game.

If you guys have any suggestions on how this could be implement please put them down. Any and all ideas are welcome.

Lets make it happen. Lets mash metal against metal old school style.

Edited by Kh0rn, 14 May 2014 - 02:19 PM.

[Edustaja]

Games like WoT and War thunder have some kind of classic mode also. It could be cool to have the option for a stock queue. Even IS vs Clan queue. Maybe this is something that is only going to be done in private matchmaking, but the option would be pretty cool none the less.

[WVAnonymous]

There is a standing stock Mech Monday. I understand it's very popular.

http://mechforceclassic.enjin.com/home

[Kh0rn]

Thanks for the input Yes Stock mech monday is something I fully support and the more that come the better.. That is also something interesting a classic Clan vs IS Stock mode too go along with the general stock mode. Remember the more people who come too voice it out the better chances we get. I have some founders who are willing too return as well pending a such mode because its something they wanted for the past 2 years. enough waiting its time too tell them.

Edited by Kh0rn, 14 May 2014 - 02:28 PM.

[eblackthorn]

I would just like to throw in my 'I would love this as well' vote.

[Hellcat420]

would love to have stock mode as a drop option

[Sephlock]

Wolfways, on 14 May 2014 - 01:15 PM, said:

If there was a stock queue i would use nothing else, although i'm not sure how useful ER/PPC's would be with PGI's borked heat system.

Well typically PPC mechs don't have all THAT many PPCs, right? I mean, the Awesome is unusual in that regard, and the Warhawk even more so (plus it's a Clan mech). OTOH they did race PPC base heat, right?... Well, even so.

[ipox]

Ghost heat could be disabled for such a mode to let the Awesome, for example, stand out as "useful".

Ammo levels in TRO 'Mechs are not based on this style of game so they would need higher effectiveness.

I am totally behind this initiative for stock, balanced 'Mechs, preferably 3025-tech only (because allowing newer creates a similar "meta"). Spread the word.

This is not a user-defined, private-match-based mode he is discussing; rather it is a new whole queue of users that he is proposing (including users who don't play anymore and non-comp players especially who want the BT/MW flavour to escape nonsense for an hour) while still a PUBLIC queue. It is the logical extension of the user-initiated, currently private effort at Stock 'Mech Mondays. Getting the flavour of being forced to make do with whatever 'Mech is available truly would make a difference. I might even be for a "random 'Mech" enforcing of this mode to get people out of their comfort zones. Since this is a lore-and-game-universe-based initiative, acknowledging NOT having 50-160 'Mechs in a personal 'Mechbay (which not even House Lords would have -- because "why?") as the reality, where in medieval times owning a horse and armour made you VERY special indeed -- so too this game might benefit from a reduction in available weaponry.

And let the pro players play with other pro players in their uniformly built, bunny-hopping-sniper-'Mechs anywhere but here.

God willing.

[El Bandito]

Some stock mechs are pure garbage due to having mere 1 ton of ammo for the AC or missile launcher.

ipox, on 14 May 2014 - 04:58 PM, said:

Ghost heat could be disabled for such a mode to let the Awesome, for example, stand out as "useful".

Ghost Heat needs to be disabled for good.

Edited by El Bandito, 14 May 2014 - 04:59 PM.

[ipox]

El Bandito, on 14 May 2014 - 04:59 PM, said:

Ghost Heat needs to be disabled for good.

*rofl* I'm not against this.

[Felbombling]

Instead of making it a straight stock mode, you should expand the scope a little bit so that players that have mastered Mechs with, say, level 2 tech level equipment can be redesigned to level 1 tech level standards. Given that freedom, allow players to design their Mechs in the Mech Lab with the following restrictions...

1. No double heat sinks, Endo Steel, Ferro-Fibrous Armour, or XL engines.
2. No Beagle active probes, Guardian ECM, AMS or C.A.S.E.
3. Weapons allowed are...

PPC
Large Laser
Medium Laser
Small Laser
AC/2
AC/5
AC/10
AC/20
Machine Gun
SRM 2
SRM 4
SRM 6
LRM 5
LRM 10
LRM 15
LRM 20
Flamer

4. Engine sizes must be a multiple of the Mech weight... say 200, 250, 300 or 350 for a 50-ton Mech, to simulate level 1 designs.
5. Balanced armour values for arms, legs and side torso locations.
6. Mechs must carry maximum allowable jump jets, if the Mech has jump jets equipped.

I think that would be great fun.

[Sybreed]

Davers, on 14 May 2014 - 01:53 PM, said:

In before the thread gets closed by Ego.

I asked Ego about the other thread, he's not the one who moved it to K-town.

Now, back on topic.

I don't think bringing back armor values to TT values is a viable option, because from my experience, you can still die very quickly if the other team focuses you. IMO, there needs to be a slight increase in ammo per tons for some weapon systems, especially LRMs.

If PGI does include a stock only mode, I hope they would reconsider changing some mechanics like the Gauss charge, as it would no longer be an issue. Just give it a 7.5 seconds cooldown and you got your designated marksman weapon.

[Hellcat420]

StaggerCheck, on 14 May 2014 - 05:47 PM, said:

Instead of making it a straight stock mode, you should expand the scope a little bit so that players that have mastered Mechs with, say, level 2 tech level equipment can be redesigned to level 1 tech level standards. Given that freedom, allow players to design their Mechs in the Mech Lab with the following restrictions...

1. No double heat sinks, Endo Steel, Ferro-Fibrous Armour, or XL engines.
2. No Beagle active probes, Guardian ECM, AMS or C.A.S.E.
3. Weapons allowed are...

PPC
Large Laser
Medium Laser
Small Laser
AC/2
AC/5
AC/10
AC/20
Machine Gun
SRM 2
SRM 4
SRM 6
LRM 5
LRM 10
LRM 15
LRM 20
Flamer

4. Engine sizes must be a multiple of the Mech weight... say 200, 250, 300 or 350 for a 50-ton Mech, to simulate level 1 designs.
5. Balanced armour values for arms, legs and side torso locations.
6. Mechs must carry maximum allowable jump jets, if the Mech has jump jets equipped.

I think that would be great fun.

that would defeat the whole purpose of a stock mech mode.

[Sybreed]

El Bandito, on 14 May 2014 - 04:59 PM, said:

Some stock mechs are pure garbage due to having mere 1 ton of ammo for the AC or missile launcher.




Ghost Heat needs to be disabled for good.

The SHD 2D2 does have 1 ton of ammo for its AC/5 and it still performed surprisingly well for me, I managed to deal over 400dmg (that's a lot in stock mode, but since armor is rarely max it's not an issue). Like I said, PGI needs to up the ammo per ton a little.