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[maniacos]

This is ******* frustrating.
I thought, playing should be fun

Last days I was playing with a team, we won most of the games
Today I was PUG and lost almost every time....

If PGI wants to get their players back, they should FINALLY GET THIS MM WORKING
Because no one plays when its only frustrating

Edited by Jherek C, 14 May 2014 - 02:35 PM.

[FupDup]

It's not about pugging so much as it is a skill/loadout mismatch between both teams. It isn't very uncommon for one side to get an at least somewhat higher number of competent players than the other, along with one side getting more "meta" loadouts than the other.

[Bartholomew bartholomew]

You can win pugging. Just remember you are part of a team. And unless you are a real fast scout. You DO NOT go out on your own.

Stick with people who look to know what they are doing.
Avoid one trick builds.
Use cover
Use available ECM
Learn the maps
Pay attention to the hud
Do not turret
torso twist under fire
Bring AMS
Do not be the first over the ridgeline
Avoid being the point of the spear (first guy out on front)
Combine fire with other friendlies near you.
Use the chat when possible
And avoid Theta at all costs

[n r g]

Jherek C, on 14 May 2014 - 02:33 PM, said:

This is ******* frustrating.
I thought, playing should be fun

Last days I was playing with a team, we won most of the games
Today I was PUG and lost almost every time....

If PGI wants to get their players back, they should FINALLY GET THIS MM WORKING
Because no one plays when its only frustrating

This game is much more team orientated than other games, puging alone is usually a loss.

Try to get a team to play with or jump on coms with friends.

What's worse are the kids who win a pug and think they are "1337"

[maniacos]

I wonder if people read the OP at all...

[Odins Fist]

FupDup, on 14 May 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

It's not about pugging so much as it is a skill/loadout mismatch between both teams.

Don't forget the most important thing... Team Communication, as in guys in a TeamSpeak server together.

[Spike Brave]

I always PUG and my win loss is 50/50.

[MeiSooHaityu]

OP, you win some, you loose some. That's games in general. And sometimes, some days are better than others.

Like Spike Brave pointed out, he is running 50/50 W/L, and so am I. It all evens out in the end anyway.

[Graugger]

ELO is hosed up and there's no BR (Battle Rating) system to average equipment loadouts like on TT. Also most pugs are probably in for the kills and such will hang back to let their teams soften up the enemy before they walk in thinking they can just drop everyone. If you get enough pugs like that you only have a lance or lance and a half engaging the enemy and as such you get rick rolled.

In the end skill balance and equipment balance is off and pug mindset is screwed.

[Pygar]

Jherek C, on 14 May 2014 - 02:33 PM, said:

This is ******* frustrating.
I thought, playing should be fun

Last days I was playing with a team, we won most of the games
Today I was PUG and lost almost every time....

If PGI wants to get their players back, they should FINALLY GET THIS MM WORKING
Because no one plays when its only frustrating

Eh, I think it has asmuch to do with matchmaker than it does teaming vs. PUG'ing- matchmaker seems to be programmed to pit you against opponents that have lower ELO ranking than you in some matches, and against higher ELO in others....sometimes it does it like every other match, and sometimes it will seem to work one way or another for the whole night.

Case in point for me- this last Monday night, I was definitely in "matchmaker hell" because even on a team of guys I know to be pretty decent players I barely pulled 2 wins all night, and did eventually get totally frustrated with it and found something else to do- last night, totally different story. It could just be me, and I was just honestly playing better last night as opposed to playing like crap on Monday....but really I think matchmaker has a lot to do with it.

Edited by Pygar, 14 May 2014 - 03:24 PM.

[Lykaon]

Bartholomew bartholomew, on 14 May 2014 - 02:40 PM, said:

You can win pugging. Just remember you are part of a team. And unless you are a real fast scout. You DO NOT go out on your own.

Stick with people who look to know what they are doing.
Avoid one trick builds.
Use cover
Use available ECM
Learn the maps
Pay attention to the hud
Do not turret
torso twist under fire
Bring AMS
Do not be the first over the ridgeline
Avoid being the point of the spear (first guy out on front)
Combine fire with other friendlies near you.
Use the chat when possible
And avoid Theta at all costs

Mostly sound advise and should be listened to with exception of the following points...

Avoid one trick builds: if the one trick is dealing damage in the most efficent manner it should not be avoided.This is why we have a glut of PPC/AC builds.These builds simply function best. So until this is fixed (if ever) play the game we have.

Do not be the first over the ridge line: Someone has to or nothing happens.Or worse still it's attrition via pokey shooty and the game degrades to whack a mech. There is a trick to being first and that is be hard to hit and imediatley followed by everyone else.A charge of one is dumb leading a landslide is good.

Avoid being the point of the spear: Again someone has to be the point the trick is doing it correctly.If you are in an Atlas or slow moving mech with tons of firepower you should NOT be the point.This type of mech is to be deployed along the wedge of the spear they are to slow to be the first to engage.The Point should be the smallest fastest mech you have and once again the trick to surviving being point is to have the heavy hitters piling in right behind you.Your little fast mech has spotted the enemy,relayed possition to the assault team and if you did it all right is behind the enemy lines when the assaults push in.

he trick is teamwork isn't easy as a Pug you will have a random draw on talent you may have ego obsticals to overcome even if you have a plan some players are "to good" to listen and follow a command.
You may have a poor pairing of equipment as well (loads of LRMs vs loads of ECM) Pugging isn't easy and it isn't the fast track to success but,I know some pug for lifers I would have at my side anytime but mostly,pugs are luck of the draw.

[InspectorG]

Puging seems like a 50/50 crap shoot.

Some days the Force is with you.

Some days you gotta fight the good fight and go out shooting.

Seriously, make some friends. It is a HUGE difference.

[Bulletsponge0]

InspectorG, on 14 May 2014 - 04:03 PM, said:

Puging seems like a 50/50 crap shoot.

Some days the Force is with you.

Some days you gotta fight the good fight and go out shooting.

Seriously, make some friends. It is a HUGE difference.

that can't be emphasized enough

[Asmudius Heng]

MeiSooHaityu, on 14 May 2014 - 03:17 PM, said:

OP, you win some, you loose some. That's games in general. And sometimes, some days are better than others. Like Spike Brave pointed out, he is running 50/50 W/L, and so am I. It all evens out in the end anyway.

There is certainly however something to be said of the quality of said games which i think is more the point?

If you win by an easy stomp its not fun and if you lose and get totally trounced then its not fun.

That being said I do not see that much - but I sometimes do get a run of pug games where my team just falls apart and no matter what i do I cannot carry anythign more than a heap fo damage or a solitary kill. Then i get paired with some premades and its stompfest.

i dont know if that can be changed mind it it might just be the nature of the beast

[Lukoi Banacek]

Spike Brave, on 14 May 2014 - 03:13 PM, said:

I always PUG and my win loss is 50/50.

Yea, well we keep trying to recruit you man but you are always blowing us off

[Spike Brave]

Lukoi, on 14 May 2014 - 05:27 PM, said:

Yea, well we keep trying to recruit you man but you are always blowing us off

You most certainly have not. But I'm listening......

[RussianWolf]

InspectorG, on 14 May 2014 - 04:03 PM, said:

Puging seems like a 50/50 crap shoot.

Some days the Force is with you.

Some days you gotta fight the good fight and go out shooting.

Seriously, make some friends. It is a HUGE difference.

Bulletsponge0, on 14 May 2014 - 04:22 PM, said:

that can't be emphasized enough

No, Friends are horrible.

Says the guy who is friends and has dropped with both these guys and will again.

Seriously, the way they have Elo and MM set up it will always try to keep you at about 50/50. So if you have a great night and win every match, expect a night where you lose every one to come soon.

[Triordinant]

Jherek C, on 14 May 2014 - 02:33 PM, said:

This is ******* frustrating.
I thought, playing should be fun

Last days I was playing with a team, we won most of the games
Today I was PUG and lost almost every time....

If PGI wants to get their players back, they should FINALLY GET THIS MM WORKING
Because no one plays when its only frustrating

The main problem with the MM is starting last April 29 it was supposed to be impossible to have more than 1 premade on each team and a premade on one team was supposed to be matched against a premade of equal skill on the other team whenever possible. It failed and was delayed, so now you can still end up with two or more premades on one team and none on the other -which is the farthest thing from a fair fight.

[Mycrus]

I pug more than group.

WLR north of 1

[Veranova]

Jherek C, on 14 May 2014 - 02:33 PM, said:

This is ******* frustrating.
I thought, playing should be fun

Last days I was playing with a team, we won most of the games
Today I was PUG and lost almost every time....

If PGI wants to get their players back, they should FINALLY GET THIS MM WORKING
Because no one plays when its only frustrating

The matchmaker IS working.
You played in a group, thus artificially inflating your ELO by a considerable amount, because you had the advantage of coms with your team-mates.
When you went to pug on your own, this inflated ELO was used and you were placed as a better player than you actually are. Result = Lose spree until your ELO re-balances.

If you're going to join a team, go play with the team. it's better for the community and for your fun anyway.
Otherwise don't play your favourite 'mech class in a pre-made. We get an ELO for every weight class, so if you use one for pugging only you're set