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[Creovex]

TLBFestus, on 17 May 2014 - 07:39 AM, said:

Funny...I just made a post about this in another thread using a car analogy.

When i first read the title of the thread I was hoping for an "apology", something along the lines of "I did something stupid..." . Haivne read the fine print of his post though, and being the same kinda guy, I can see his logic. I still think it's a shame she didn't just tell him to go nuts on STEAM and buy something with a known track record, and that he would actually KNOW whats in the stuff he bought.

LOL I have 3 Batman games that at the most have 50% complete. They are fun but single player games take too much time with work and all my kids. I enjoy hoping in for a match or a few hours in this game. Stomp or not, the timing is perfect for my schedule. Hell I still have Planetside 2, BF4, SWOTOR, STO and others ready to go but they just aren't fun in a limited timeframe. This game works. Hell my new golf driver was more than 2.5 times then the highest clan pack.... and I usually only play about 20 times a year...

Bottomline: Why not pay for something if you enjoy it? If you don'the enjoy it then spend your money where you will. Yeah I have no clue how it will turn out yet my new driver hasn't made a noticeable difference yet but I still enjoy it and don't regret the purchase.

[TLBFestus]

At the time, I told/asked (OK..I really asked) my wife I was going to buy in as a Founder at the outrageous price of $120 and she gave her blessing. At that point I had NEVER spent that much on a single title, but I loved MechWarrior..

After being part of the (IMHO) de-evolution of the game over the past 2 years, I'm questioning my wifes choices more.

[Mawai]

I'll likely buy something when PGI demonstrates that they are competent enough to actually implement the community warfare and other meta-game elements that will make the game interesting to play in the long run.

In January, I made the statement that the real first test would be an on-schedule and functional implementation of the launch module and revised matchmaker. I planned to decide on whether I would buy any clan mechs based on their delivery of this feature. Unfortunately, this is now running 3 weeks behind schedule with no update from PGI. Three weeks is a lot of time.

The main issues on the part of PGI appear to be the lack of investment in game development resources (3 game engineers, 3 system engineers and 2 UI engineers form the team bringing you this game ... the rest are programming support/sales/marketing/adminstration/management/artists ... all important contributions but the game features that most of us are looking for at the moment are mostly developed by a team of 3) and the inability to properly estimate (or perhaps just optimistically estimate) the amount of development effort required for the tasks on their roadmap.

It is now almost June ... CW is due in the fall as a "worst case scenario" based on comments from Russ Bullock. However, that is only 4 to 5 months and involves the summer holiday period for what will be a large feature requiring a lot of development. I wonder if they think they are on schedule?

There is also the issue that the work flows in the current UI are functional but generally very poorly designed, requiring far too many mouse clicks to execute certain functions and not providing the streamlined level of interaction in which it is easy to customize mechs, find components/modules/items you have already purchased, and generally interact with the game front end. Switching mechs and reconfiguring them is a chore and not the fun activity it should be ...

Anyway, end result is that I am still on the fence waiting as regards a clan purchase until some of the development dust settles and PGI demonstrates what they can or can not do ...

Edited by Mawai, 17 May 2014 - 09:06 AM.

[ArmandTulsen]

Zuesacoatl, on 16 May 2014 - 10:44 PM, said:

LAWL is that just natural to you guys now? Someone does not agree with you so they must be a "whiteknight"? hahahaha. I feel so bad for you guys. I am not a staunch supporter of PGI, i have questioned them when it is needed, but I also do not wallow in the overdramatics as you proclaimers of the whiteknights do.

I will not be jaded, i will just leave. Once the game no longer is fun for me, I leave the game. I have the extra funds to spend on my happy fun time after taking care of my family, house, and other things, I still have more than enough to dump into pixels that make my smile my kids give me just that much wider. You should see what I have spent so far on SC.

How can you seriously sit there and say that? Are you that arrogant?

Community Warfare was the biggest selling point of the game. Now, it's a freaking afterthought. It was the game's entire raison d'etre. It was the reason we started at a particular date in the timeline and were expected to be following the story in "real time."

[Iqfish]

Nikolai Lubkiewicz, on 17 May 2014 - 10:54 AM, said:

Thanks for pre-ordering!

I guess someone has to pay for your trips to Maui, eh?

(jk dont kill me)

Edited by Iqfish, 17 May 2014 - 11:04 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

ArmandTulsen, on 17 May 2014 - 10:11 AM, said:

How can you seriously sit there and say that? Are you that arrogant?

Community Warfare was the biggest selling point of the game. Now, it's a freaking afterthought. It was the game's entire raison d'etre. It was the reason we started at a particular date in the timeline and were expected to be following the story in "real time."

Is that being arrogant, or is attacking and slandering anyone who dares to be "having fun" with the game, arrogance?

I have seriously become disillusioned with the "Big 3" Devs over the last 2 years, yet whilst no longer championing PGI, I do still have fun with the game, while admitting I would like more.

But whatever one "feels" they were promised, in the way back when, one is an utter fool to buy on what a game "might be" or "will (supposedly) become". You buy on what it is, or you are, to be blunt, a fool. Now if "what is", is insufficient, then one should by all means, refrain. If "what is" on the other hand IS sufficient for a person to enjoy and support, why then should they be belittled, simply because they do not share YOUR discontent? (A discontent that I note does not keep you from playing?)

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 17 May 2014 - 11:25 AM.

[Iqfish]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 May 2014 - 11:10 AM, said:

Is that being arrogant, or is attacking and slandering anyone who dares to be "having fun" with the game, arrogance?

I have seriously become disillusioned with the "Gig 3" Devs over the last 2 years, yet whilst no longer championing PGI, I do still have fun with the game, while admitting I would like more.

But whatever one "feels" they were promised, in the way back when, one is an utter fool to buy on what a game "might be" or "will (supposedly) become". You buy on what it is, or you are, to be blunt, a fool. Now if "what is", is insufficient, then one should by all means, refrain. If "what is" on the other hand IS sufficient for a person to enjoy and support, why then should they be belittled, simply because they do not share YOUR discontent? (A discontent that I note does not keep you from playing?)

Agreed. I'm currently very bored with MWO and dislike a lot of choices by PGI (mostly IGP to be honest), but I don't pick at people who just like this game.

[Toadkillerdog]

TLBFestus, on 17 May 2014 - 09:01 AM, said:

At the time, I told/asked (OK..I really asked) my wife I was going to buy in as a Founder at the outrageous price of $120 and she gave her blessing. At that point I had NEVER spent that much on a single title, but I loved MechWarrior..

After being part of the (IMHO) de-evolution of the game over the past 2 years, I'm questioning my wifes choices more.

well, she did marry you, I question her choices already
it was just too easy

[Iqfish]

Nikolai Lubkiewicz, on 17 May 2014 - 11:28 AM, said:

Well, putting aside my individual conviction that time-off is for freebirth or my personal experiences. How one spends their time-off is up to and on them.

The only trips I'm personally planning, since you asked, are a scouting expedition this month followed by a move next month to join up with the Piranha Team in Vancouver. This should have many benefits, as I hope to help get more info from the devs to you and more feedback right back to them. You can keep an eye on my Twitter as I'm sure to be mentioning more about the move as the day comes.

I'm keeping 3 eyes on your twitter. And your forum profile. Even your soundcloud profile

Stalking you is a great way to get my info!

[Iqfish]

Nikolai Lubkiewicz, on 17 May 2014 - 11:30 AM, said:

Waitaminute...Blinky? Is that you?

Oh **** he found it out.
My secret identiy.

[Zuesacoatl]

ArmandTulsen, on 17 May 2014 - 10:11 AM, said:

How can you seriously sit there and say that? Are you that arrogant?

Community Warfare was the biggest selling point of the game. Now, it's a freaking afterthought. It was the game's entire raison d'etre. It was the reason we started at a particular date in the timeline and were expected to be following the story in "real time."

I was here pre founders injection, and will be here when many others leave. If being happy is arrogant, than by God call me Tony Stark.

I understood when I bought my founders pack that some promises would be bent, others were probably a bit grand for "soon", and some that will not come to fruition. It is the name of the game development game, and yet, I still regret not going all in on the legendary founders pack.

Even though it makes you angry, I will still enjoy playing this game, and not regret spending as much as I have on this game or others.

[Creovex]

Anyone find another get yet that let's me blow off an arm of a Mech and have them continue to fight? Nope? Guess I will be here a while

[Felio]

3N3RGY, on 16 May 2014 - 10:35 PM, said:

so expensive for pixels

Most money is pixels, too. It's an even trade.

Iqfish, on 17 May 2014 - 11:29 AM, said:

I'm keeping 3 eyes on your twitter. And your forum profile. Even your soundcloud profile

Stalking you is a great way to get my info!

no need anymore, my friend!

http://mwomercs.com/...witter-tracker/

[Lostdragon]

Creovex, on 17 May 2014 - 07:59 AM, said:

LOL I have 3 Batman games that at the most have 50% complete. They are fun but single player games take too much time with work and all my kids. I enjoy hoping in for a match or a few hours in this game. Stomp or not, the timing is perfect for my schedule. Hell I still have Planetside 2, BF4, SWOTOR, STO and others ready to go but they just aren't fun in a limited timeframe. This game works. Hell my new golf driver was more than 2.5 times then the highest clan pack.... and I usually only play about 20 times a year...

Bottomline: Why not pay for something if you enjoy it? If you don'the enjoy it then spend your money where you will. Yeah I have no clue how it will turn out yet my new driver hasn't made a noticeable difference yet but I still enjoy it and don't regret the purchase.

I spend a couple hundred dollars a month ammunition and reloading because I really enjoy shooting. When I'm buying it I can look at the box and it says exactly what is inside and how I can expect it to perform. When you pre-order any digital product that is not the case. That is why I don't have a Founder or Phoenix tag. I've been burned by so many games in the past that I'm not willing to spend money up front on something that I might or might not enjoy.

All the clan mechs, weapons, and mechanics behind them might be great. I hope they are. However, I feel there is a very good chance they won't live up to expectations, just like a lot of the Phoenix mechs. A little over a year ago when I was having a blast playing MWO for hours I had no problem spending money on it. Now I can usually only play 3-4 matches before I get frustrated and move on to something else.

Even if I was still having tons of fun, however, I don't think I could justify the price of any of the clan mech packs because at the end of the day they are not something you own. If the company that makes your golf driver goes under tomorrow you will still own your club and can continue to use it and enjoy it or resell it, the same as ammo. If you buy a Clan pack now and PGI goes belly up later this year then shuts down the MWO servers you can never use those mechs you paid for again.

I agree with your notion that it is fine to spend money on things you enjoy, but I don't think it is a good idea to spend $240 on something you can't resell and have no guarantee of even having access to for any amount of time. This is doubly true since we have no idea what the bonuses even really are in the clan packs and PGI may screw the pooch on things like hit boxes, omnipod mechanics, clan weapon values, etc rendering clan mechs underpowered, overpowered, or constantly fluctuating between the two extremes while they make ham handed attempts to balance them.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

Lightfoot, on 16 May 2014 - 07:24 PM, said:

Waiting for the Shadowcat.

I'm waiting for...





Those are my Clan top picks.


(Did you know the NovaCat has JJ equip-able variants?)

[Belorion]

Nikolai Lubkiewicz, on 17 May 2014 - 10:54 AM, said:

Thanks for pre-ordering!

I will order the highest package if you guys answer the question of when a player can and cannot drop with Clan Mechs.

[Creovex]

Lostdragon, on 17 May 2014 - 03:26 PM, said:

I spend a couple hundred dollars a month ammunition and reloading because I really enjoy shooting. When I'm buying it I can look at the box and it says exactly what is inside and how I can expect it to perform. When you pre-order any digital product that is not the case. That is why I don't have a Founder or Phoenix tag. I've been burned by so many games in the past that I'm not willing to spend money up front on something that I might or might not enjoy.

All the clan mechs, weapons, and mechanics behind them might be great. I hope they are. However, I feel there is a very good chance they won't live up to expectations, just like a lot of the Phoenix mechs. A little over a year ago when I was having a blast playing MWO for hours I had no problem spending money on it. Now I can usually only play 3-4 matches before I get frustrated and move on to something else.

Even if I was still having tons of fun, however, I don't think I could justify the price of any of the clan mech packs because at the end of the day they are not something you own. If the company that makes your golf driver goes under tomorrow you will still own your club and can continue to use it and enjoy it or resell it, the same as ammo. If you buy a Clan pack now and PGI goes belly up later this year then shuts down the MWO servers you can never use those mechs you paid for again.

I agree with your notion that it is fine to spend money on things you enjoy, but I don't think it is a good idea to spend $240 on something you can't resell and have no guarantee of even having access to for any amount of time. This is doubly true since we have no idea what the bonuses even really are in the clan packs and PGI may screw the pooch on things like hit boxes, omnipod mechanics, clan weapon values, etc rendering clan mechs underpowered, overpowered, or constantly fluctuating between the two extremes while they make ham handed attempts to balance them.

Thanks for your concern. I could sit here and tell you a life story that would make you ask me what I did to have so many bad things happen to me or just tell you that let's be real for 1 minute... Life is short and guarantees and promises are terms used by insurance salesmen, money market managers and used car dealers. If the worst happens and I pay $120 for something that never happens then I won't lose a second thought on it. The world will go on, I will find a new game and sleep well as I do every night. I work hard for what I have but at the same time I am not so afraid of losing something that I will not take risks daily.

Bury enough people and you stop obsessing over the small things.

[Lostdragon]

Creovex, on 17 May 2014 - 05:53 PM, said:

Thanks for your concern. I could sit here and tell you a life story that would make you ask me what I did to have so many bad things happen to me or just tell you that let's be real for 1 minute... Life is short and guarantees and promises are terms used by insurance salesmen, money market managers and used car dealers. If the worst happens and I pay $120 for something that never happens then I won't lose a second thought on it. The world will go on, I will find a new game and sleep well as I do every night. I work hard for what I have but at the same time I am not so afraid of losing something that I will not take risks daily.

Bury enough people and you stop obsessing over the small things.

I guess I have more of an aversion to being taken advantage of than you.

[Creovex]

Lostdragon, on 17 May 2014 - 05:59 PM, said:

I guess I have more of an aversion to being taken advantage of than you.

You assume something which has not been proven one way or the other. You see this can only go bad.. I see both outcomes, and don't obsess if the bad happens.

[TLBFestus]

Creovex, on 17 May 2014 - 05:53 PM, said:

Life is short and guarantees and promises are terms used by insurance salesmen, money market managers and used car dealers.

You forgot to say PGI sales..............

(That was too easy too!)