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[Flaming oblivion]

Merrick, on 18 May 2014 - 03:20 PM, said:

Mechwarrior Online is a TEAM game, that's why you drop with 12 total player on each side PERIOD. if you want a solo game, go play MW4 or Mech Assault and leave this game alone.

My problem isn't with 2 teams per say its with teams within teams getting put against pugs. when the pre mades have a massive advantage , remove the pre mades , leave the red and the blue team im fine with that, the pre mades? no.

Edited by Flaming oblivion, 18 May 2014 - 03:23 PM.

[Roland]

Let folks who want to play solo drop in a solo queue, and let everyone else, in groups of any size, drop in the regular queue.

[Merrick]

so you want 3 ques then? solo, 2-4 man being put together and 12's? since you see so many 2-4 mans in the solos that should tell you something about the amount that exsists, so if you're willing to have everyone wait a long time to find matches since they are scattered. If that happens you know everyone will QQ, it's a no win situation.

[A banana in the tailpipe]

Lyoto Machida, on 18 May 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

Well...not sure how much better the premades could have played, considering "we" (our Kuritan 4man and the unaffiliated Davion lance) got all the kills.

PPPPFFFFTTTTT your kills would make vultures jealous and you slinked in behind your smoke. That pug who was lucky enough to drop with you did the man's share of damage. /smacktalk

Flaming oblivion, on 18 May 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

My problem isn't with 2 teams per say its with teams within teams getting put against pugs. when the pre mades have a massive advantage , remove the pre mades , leave the red and the blue team im fine with that, the pre mades? no.

Bingo. I even wished this guys a GG despite my grumbles. The problem I had with the match was the poor pugs who got stomped to dirt and PGI likely lost another player or two.

Edited by lockwoodx, 18 May 2014 - 03:33 PM.

[Lyoto Machida]

lockwoodx, on 18 May 2014 - 03:27 PM, said:

Bingo. I even wished this guys a GG despite my grumbles. The problem I had with the match was the poor pugs who got stomped to dirt and PGI likely lost another player or two.

But it's PGI fault in the end, not the premades? You expect the honor system to work around here?

They need to implement a PUG only queue like many people have suggested months ago. Since I can't imagine PGI being THAT incompetent, it must be intentional that we don't have one.

[Roland]

Merrick, on 18 May 2014 - 03:27 PM, said:

so you want 3 ques then? solo, 2-4 man being put together and 12's? since you see so many 2-4 mans in the solos that should tell you something about the amount that exsists, so if you're willing to have everyone wait a long time to find matches since they are scattered. If that happens you know everyone will QQ, it's a no win situation.

No.. You need 2 queues.
1) Solo queue. Only ungrouped players can join.
2) Unrestricted queue. Anyone can join.

I don't understand why people find such a simple and obvious solution so incomprehensible.. especially given that it's how virtually all other games do it.

[Triordinant]

Merrick, on 18 May 2014 - 03:27 PM, said:

so you want 3 ques then? solo, 2-4 man being put together and 12's?

Read it again. Roland (and a whole bunch of others) want TWO queues: a premade-free, PUG-only queue and an unrestricted premade queue that PUGs can join if they want to.

[A banana in the tailpipe]

Lyoto Machida, on 18 May 2014 - 03:34 PM, said:

But it's PGI fault in the end, not the premades? You expect the honor system to work around here?

Dats what I said at the beginning of this thread, and no... I honestly don't expect it to work anymore. My soul has been crushed to the point even pugging is irritating every 3rd or so match. It's a love/hate relationship with the game. The game is great, the players are ok, the mangement is like a new york landlord... Out to lunch when your toilet has been broken for a month.

Edited by lockwoodx, 18 May 2014 - 03:36 PM.

[Flaming oblivion]

Plus id like to point out pay close attention to the scores and kills on either side of the OP's screen shot, This was a absolute failure of the matchmaker one that happens often.

[A banana in the tailpipe]

Flaming oblivion, on 18 May 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

Plus id like to point out pay close attention to the scores and kills on either side of the OP's screen shot, This was a absolute failure of the matchmaker one that happens often.

Yes and no... it was also a failure on our pugs side. We warned them about flanks... and they adjusted best they could. The premades were both tarting AND smoking..... which I pointed out to them were poster children of the kind of playstyle that drives pugs away.

Basically they made perfect examples of yet another thread about how PGI needs to wake up. Otherwise it was a typical stomp.

[Merrick]

Roland, on 18 May 2014 - 03:34 PM, said:

No.. You need 2 queues.
1) Solo queue. Only ungrouped players can join.
2) Unrestricted queue. Anyone can join.

I don't understand why people find such a simple and obvious solution so incomprehensible.. especially given that it's how virtually all other games do it.

At this point i'm for your idea tbh, because as a group player i'm tired of being the boogeyman and to blame for everything that's wrong with Mwo in many peoples opinions.//

Ps: love your sig btw, huge fan of that series.

[Lyoto Machida]

lockwoodx, on 18 May 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

Dats what I said at the beginning of this thread, and no... I honestly don't expect it to work anymore. My soul has been crushed to the point even pugging is irritating every 3rd or so match. It's a love/hate relationship with the game. The game is great, the players are ok, the mangement is like a new york landlord... Out to lunch when your toilet has been broken for a month.

I PUG at night...I know your pain but you just take the lumps and move on. It's still practice to get better.

lockwoodx, on 18 May 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

Yes and no... it was also a failure on our pugs side. We warned them about flanks... and they adjusted best they could. The premades were both tarting AND smoking..... which I pointed out to them were poster children of the kind of playstyle that drives pugs away.

Basically they made perfect examples of yet another thread about how PGI needs to wake up. Otherwise it was a typical stomp.

There were two poptarts in the 2 premade lances.

Edited by Lyoto Machida, 18 May 2014 - 03:50 PM.

[Kyynele]

Roland, on 18 May 2014 - 03:34 PM, said:

No.. You need 2 queues.
1) Solo queue. Only ungrouped players can join.
2) Unrestricted queue. Anyone can join.

I don't understand why people find such a simple and obvious solution so incomprehensible.. especially given that it's how virtually all other games do it.

Effectively your solution would mean that there would be the 100% solo queue and the 12-man queue (to which smaller groups could now also go to die humiliating deaths.) Soon there would be no more smaller premades, people would either play full 12-mans or solo. And the people who want to play with friends but don't have 11 friends online at all times would quit. The difference between 1 completely organized solid team and a collection of small independent teams is much greater than the difference that 2-4 mans can make in a PUG game. This became obvious to everyone who saw them when 12 mans leaked to the public queue a while back.

[A banana in the tailpipe]

Lyoto Machida, on 18 May 2014 - 03:48 PM, said:

I PUG at night...I know your pain but you just take the lumps and move on. It's still practice to get better.

Which is why I'm mainly talking smack and not singling you out. This is a thread about PGI's bone'headedness but the dev has confirned it's an issue being looked into and corrected. I'm satisfied with that.

Lyoto Machida, on 18 May 2014 - 03:48 PM, said:

There were two poptarts in the 2 premade lances.

Says you... unless you were sync dropping with them on teamspeak and thus knew.... DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!! LOL caught red handed you premade trashborn SCUM!

Stop exploiting poor PGI for the sake of the PUGs. You're part of the problem, not the solution. You've just validated this thread. Thank you.

Edited by lockwoodx, 18 May 2014 - 04:39 PM.

[Mcgral18]

lockwoodx, on 18 May 2014 - 04:36 PM, said:

Says you... unless you were sync dropping with them on teamspeak and thus knew.... DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!! LOL caught red handed you premade trashborn SCUM!

Stop exploiting poor PGI for the sake of the PUGs. You're part of the problem, not the solution. You've just validated this thread. Thank you.

Yep, the Wang and the Orion make perfect poptarts.

Edited by Mcgral18, 18 May 2014 - 04:46 PM.

[Wolfways]

Nikolai Lubkiewicz, on 18 May 2014 - 02:16 PM, said:

It is indeed worth noting now that each random 'PUG' match should be having one 2-4 person premade group on each side.

There remains a bug where occasionally the matchmaker will provide a match with two 2-4 person premade groups on one or both sides. We hope to have this resolved ASAP.

ALL Instances of 12 person premades facing off against pick-up groups have been resolved in the last patch. Any real instances of this occuring should be directed to us via Support & Feedback as bugs.

Well that sucks, i like fighting premades. Matches are much better with an even slightly competent enemy instead of the crappy AI like i usually seem to get on my team.

[Flaming oblivion]

Kyynele, on 18 May 2014 - 04:22 PM, said:

Effectively your solution would mean that there would be the 100% solo queue and the 12-man queue (to which smaller groups could now also go to die humiliating deaths.) Soon there would be no more smaller premades, people would either play full 12-mans or solo. And the people who want to play with friends but don't have 11 friends online at all times would quit. The difference between 1 completely organized solid team and a collection of small independent teams is much greater than the difference that 2-4 mans can make in a PUG game. This became obvious to everyone who saw them when 12 mans leaked to the public queue a while back.

Its up to PGI really do they want to upset the larger majority if 16% of the player base so they're more likely to quit, Or upset 84% of the player base so there more likely to quit , your call pgi.

[A banana in the tailpipe]

Kyle Wright, on 18 May 2014 - 04:44 PM, said:

Now you're just being childish. This is a Biff moment where I'm rapping on PGI's head to "think McFly". If you want real tears show me a picture of your mom.

[Novakaine]

This is a Team Based Game.
Learn it Live it.

[Kyle Wright]

lockwoodx, on 18 May 2014 - 04:46 PM, said:

Now you're just being childish. This is a Biff moment where I'm rapping on PGI's head to "think McFly". If you want real tears show me a picture of your mom.

Troll moment end. No I feel your guys pain. In one instant I enjoy dropping with my fellow comrades, but then there are times when I solo and I hate being stuck on a team that get hit with 2 4-mans on the other side and not a single premade on ours.

Its a vicious cycle