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[Claviger]

a..........n...........d goodbye PGI, worst of luck to ya in all your endeavors. I'll be playing anything else from now on

[Boguslaj]

Harathan, on 20 May 2014 - 01:07 PM, said:

I think most people would agree with matches with 8 assaults are more boring still.

At least we could play. And i never saw a match with more than 6 assaults (and that match wasn't boring at all).

Harathan, on 20 May 2014 - 01:07 PM, said:

The game is about pretend giant metal robots shooting each other with lasers, because it's a GAME. And I'm not sure how old you are, but even kids in a playground prefer to play games that are fair by design.

Kids in a playground are stupid, and doesn't know what to do in difficult situations. And we are not kids (not sure about you, but hope you're not).
As you said we play in giant metal robots shooting each other with lasers, not chess.
And don't you think, that win against team with heavier and stronger mechs is more interesting, than just destroy same team as your own?

Edited by Boguslaj, 20 May 2014 - 01:38 PM.

[Treysef]

Claviger, on 20 May 2014 - 01:36 PM, said:

a..........n...........d goodbye PGI, worst of luck to ya in all your endeavors. I'll be playing anything else from now on

And nothing of value was lost.

[Metalcell]

You know what f**k this i'm going to go watch porn.

[Bloody Bill Anderson]

Nikolai Lubkiewicz, on 20 May 2014 - 10:51 AM, said:

Greetings MechWarriors,

With this Patch, we have successfully enabled 3/3/3/3 AKA 4x3 AKA The Rule of Three's.
This is currently in combination with restrictions ELO bracketing.

Please let us know your experience with this system. If you have encountered wait times of longer than 0-5 minutes, please include in your feedback details of:

• The time and date of matchmaking (Please provide EDT, PDT or UTC values)
  
• The weight class desired.
  
• Whether or not you were solo or in a group, and if a group, of what size and composition.
  
• The time taken to find a match.

[color=#00FFFF]Alright everyone.[/color]


[color=#00FFFF]The good news is that we have made drastic improvements to our matchmaking system this patch, resulting in a much more stable deployment than before.[/color]

[color=#00FFFF]Following 3/3/3/3's release, our engineers took advantage of the changes introduced to run a series of tests with different maximum limits per class. This first started by increasing the limit from 3 to 4, then 5, 6 and onwards until we reached max 12. At this stage, we had found knock-on issues which suggest that we must re-investigate the algorithm further. It is worth noting similar issues could be encountered with any other rules system imposed on the matchmaker and have more to do with the increased complexity of that matchmaker system. [/color]

[color=#00FFFF]Class limits are now, once more disabled in the backend. News on Matchmaker will continue to be released as we draw closer and closer to having something that is not only stable and fair to the players and teams, but also provides reasonable wait times. [/color]

Shouldn't this have been done on a test server first? Releasing it onto the actual server system while claiming this is a game in full release mode is insane. We are no longer Beta Testers.

[QuaxDerBruchpilot]

Nikolai Lubkiewicz, on 20 May 2014 - 10:51 AM, said:

Greetings MechWarriors,

With this Patch, we have successfully enabled 3/3/3/3 AKA 4x3 AKA The Rule of Three's.
This is currently in combination with restrictions ELO bracketing.

Please let us know your experience with this system. If you have encountered wait times of longer than 0-5 minutes, please include in your feedback details of:

• The time and date of matchmaking (Please provide EDT, PDT or UTC values)
  
• The weight class desired.
  
• Whether or not you were solo or in a group, and if a group, of what size and composition.
  
• The time taken to find a match.

[color=#00FFFF]Alright everyone.[/color]


[color=#00FFFF]The good news is that we have made drastic improvements to our matchmaking system this patch, resulting in a much more stable deployment than before.[/color]

The bad news is that noone can join a match now to verify. Instead, please enjoy yourself shopping for more useless cockpit items while waiting for content or fixes.

[Treysef]

Bloody Bill Anderson, on 20 May 2014 - 01:40 PM, said:

Shouldn't this have been done on a test server first? Releasing it onto the actual server system while claiming this is a game in full release mode is insane. We are no longer Beta Testers.

Beacause when it's done on the test server people complain about it not lasting long enough or not enough players. It's damned if they do, damned if they don't.

[Celente]

Treysef, on 20 May 2014 - 01:41 PM, said:

Beacause when it's done on the test server people complain about it not lasting long enough or not enough players. It's damned if they do, damned if they don't.

So we are basically beta testing this now?

[vortmax]

Niko announced here that the matchmaker will return to pre-patch status as of 3pm PT/6PM ET. No downtime is necessary.

[Claviger]

Treysef, on 20 May 2014 - 01:38 PM, said:

And nothing of value was lost.

I agree

[Bigboote]

Ok I see they have stopped the 3333 thingy again (What is up wit that? Who cares if there are 3 of each type?) but I'm still waiting 20+ mins to get in a match. Now they shewed us outs the patch tech problem forum because they said it was cuz o 3333 (I think this is the sigh of the 1/2 devil) so where can we whine about this now? I actually saw the sun today and that can NEVER happen again, I need this fixed.

[Treysef]

Celente, on 20 May 2014 - 01:44 PM, said:

So we are basically beta testing this now?

You logic, it leaps.

[Grendel408]

Good luck Devs... you've got your work cut out for you. I'd recommend more public testing to resolve these issues before being implemented for the public as a whole.

[Mudhawk]

"...Nothing ever happens, nothing happens at all
The needle returns to the start of the song
And we all sing along like before
And we'll all be lonely tonight and lonely tomorrow..."

... oh well, 3 games in 3 hours, that leaves me with a lot of time to go through old songs.
Do my taxes.
Call some old friends.
I'm sure this is all just a big social experiment to better our lives.
Or something like those epilepsy warnings on my PS3.
Stay healthy, do NOT rot in front of your computer.
Playing all the time.
That can't be healthy anyway.
You realize that once you break the circle of playing game after game after game like eating too much crisps.
Well I think they broke the circle.
I'm SURE they broke something...

"...I saw your hesitating, waiting too much
'till it slipped through your hands
and then you stagger to your feet and out the door
'cause there's not second chance

That's right!

'Cause I have done it before and I can do it some more
I got my eye on the score
I'm gonna cut to the core
It's too late it's too soon or is it?
Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, boom..."

[Blalok]

Well this is... interesting reading. Based on the timing of Niko's posts vs my wait times, it looks to me like 4x3 with 1-group/team max worked the best. Witness:

1:30p CDT, Assault (31%), 3:30 wait.
1:47p CDT, Assault (27%), 1:00 wait.
1:59p CDT, Assault (24%), 2:15 wait.
+/-2:15p CDT: Niko posts that they've relaxed 4x3 to include max of 4 per class
2:10p CDT, Assault (27%), 7:30 wait. much improved, no?
2:37p CDT, Assault (26%), 18:40 wait. how much better could it get?
3:13p CDT, Assault (25%), 7:50 wait. you're slipping, PGI...
+/-3:40p CDT: Niko posts that limits are being lifted again.
3:38p CDT, Assault (28%), 42:40 wait. NOW we're cooking with gas!

I enjoy this game, and have spent more on it than any other game I've played, and potentially more than I have on r/w hobby stuff at this point... hadn't considered that 'til now. At any rate, I just want to get in match reliably, quickly and with people who also enjoy the game. That's all. Imbalance is merely a challenge to adapt to and overcome.

[Kael Posavatz]

PGI, thank you for the improvements to the match-maker.

I will now have time to catch up on all the fine Russian literature I keep putting off for lack of time while I wait to get into a drop while using the 'optimum' mech selection to 'reduce wait time'. If I use something other than the optimum mech I anticipate getting through four or five chapters per drop.

I have begun to consider taking up knitting as a hobby once I have caught up with my reading.

[Chemie]

so you make it so 12 of the same weight class can be on a team and MM still fails? Wow.

[Zolaz]

Nikolai Lubkiewicz, on 20 May 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

[color=#00FFFF]We would like to thank you all for your patience. In spite of today's one shortcoming, we are happy that the remainder of the patch remains intact, and thus a full roll-back won't be needed. We were able to receive a great deal of useful telemetry data from your successful and unsuccessful attempts to launch which will help us provide an even better system later on.[/color]

[color=#00FFFF]The Quickening of Engineers has completed and a couple of changes to the back-end are about to be introduced at 3PM PDT / 6 PM EDT / 10 PM UTC, which should resolve any further matchmaking delays until we can release the next iteration of the matchmaker in a future patch.[/color]

[color=#00FFFF]Our gratitude once again for standing by. [/color]

Really ... one short coming? That is one way to put it. Another would be, one more bad patch with 3/3/3/3 and it can compete with the 4 times PGI has told us CW in 90 days. lol Oh well, everyone make sure that you upgrade or buy your Clan Packages. PGI might even let you know what the bonus modules are before the Clan Packages roll out next month.

[Nightmage61]

...."[color=#00FFFF] have more to do with the increased complexity of that matchmaker system. "[/color]

I think We have a good clue as to the problem. Managers; Please execute a KISS evaluation on all processes.

[Malleus011]

StillRadioactive, on 20 May 2014 - 12:25 PM, said:

You're only waiting ONE minute?

I just waited FIFTY minutes before cancelling my search on a medium.

Yeah, I'm not very patient with MM wait times. I'd rather cancel and retry frequently rather than sit and watch the wheel spin.

On the other hand, I got two matches in the hour or so I attempted to play, so ...