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[Eddrick]

Like Fupdup said. Implement role warfare and the problem with any weight class (or mech for that matter) will go away. Because, there will be a reason to use the under represented ones. 3/3/3/3 or weight restrictions are only trying to mask the problem, with a quick and easy subtritute.

Khobai, on 20 May 2014 - 12:37 PM, said:

actually I think the matchmaking IS working. the problem is the uneven distribution of weight classes. nobody wants to play lights and mediums so its driving the queue times up.

Exactly

[Iqfish]

Oh 3/3/3/3 is disabled AGAIN, after 14 days of Overtime working (according to Karl Berg)

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Edited by Iqfish, 20 May 2014 - 12:56 PM.

[Mizore]

Khobai, on 20 May 2014 - 12:40 PM, said:

Well it can be ANY combination, but a max of 4 mechs from one weight class.

So 4/4/2/2, 2/2/4/4, 3/3/3/3, 4/3/2/1, 1/2/3/4, etc... are all fair game.

But you wont see more than 4 of a single weight class.

5 Assaults in a game... so more than 4 is possible

[Khobai]

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5 Assaults in a game... so more than 4 is possible

Yeah they disabled class limits.

"Class limits are now, once more disabled in the backend."

[Iqfish]

Khobai, on 20 May 2014 - 01:00 PM, said:

"Class limits are now, once more disabled in the backend."

I like how this wording implies the amoun of failure in this patch

[Goose]

EyeOne, on 20 May 2014 - 12:51 PM, said:

Does MWO have the playerbase for this?

That's a long-standing question, with much conjecture "we don't," what with Teh Devs having said they don't wan'a split up ques …

[Deathlike]

Mizore, on 20 May 2014 - 12:58 PM, said:

5 Assaults in a game... so more than 4 is possible

Had just 7 Assault mechs on the opfor moments ago, so... it's off and/or not working as intended™.

I had to do some thinking while this wait was going on (3 matches: 3 min light, 13 min light, 7 min assault).

One of the problems with the "Elo buckets" is that Elo is dependent on the weight class you are bringing. That is, it is very possible that people have VASTLY DIFFERENT if not DIVERSE Elo buckets. While I think I'm more or less the same in all weight classes, some people are can arguably be BETTER OR WORSE in various weight classes.

Outside of the simple issue that the MM ASSUMES that everyone has an EQUAL CHANCE of picking a weight class... the bigger problem is that NOT EVERYONE PLAYS EVERY WEIGHT CLASS EQUALLY.

The math simply won't agree with people's skills... thus causing a population issue with the Elo buckets. So, while the MM info display "may be accurate", it doesn't "accurately describe" your Elo bracket that you would fall into... thus the problem shows its ugly face right now. That doesn't even account for Solo vs Premade either... as I was struggling for a match while solo.

Edited by Deathlike, 20 May 2014 - 01:04 PM.

[Iqfish]

How to tell you entered a different mindset on MWO:

[Marauder3D]

So if they turned off 3/3/3/3, why is it taking 10 minutes or more to solo drop today? Shouldn't it be 1 minute wait times like normal?
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Something is even more borked than it was.

[Solahma]

So much time and effort has gone into this, It seems very foolish to continue investing time and money into this idea if it can't be implemented after 2 tries and weeks of fixing. Give it another week and then MOVE ON PGI, this is obviously not the solution it was intended to be.

[Wolfways]

Eddrick, on 20 May 2014 - 12:54 PM, said:

Like Fupdup said. Implement role warfare and the problem with any weight class (or mech for that matter) will go away. Because, there will be a reason to use the under represented ones. 3/3/3/3 or weight restrictions are only trying to mask the problem, with a quick and easy subtritute.

Exactly

How do they add roles without making light pilots cry? Currently lights perform as mediums should...fast brawlers. Lights should be strikers.i.e. hit and run.

[Deathlike]

Solahma, on 20 May 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

So much time and effort has gone into this, It seems very foolish to continue investing time and money into this idea if it can't be implemented after 2 tries and weeks of fixing. Give it another week and then MOVE ON PGI, this is obviously not the solution it was intended to be.

IIRC, this is try #3.

[FupDup]

Iqfish, on 20 May 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

How to tell you entered a different mindset on MWO:

The top listed guy looks familiar to me!

[Iqfish]

FupDup, on 20 May 2014 - 01:07 PM, said:

The top listed guy looks familiar to me!

Ain't he good looking?

[EyeOne]

Goose, on 20 May 2014 - 01:03 PM, said:

That's a long-standing question, with much conjecture "we don't," what with Teh Devs having said they don't wan'a split up ques …

Well, like I said I had assumed that we did not. Bu I also just assumed that someone at PGI had done the math on it. And also again, I don't mean to bash anyone or the game. Hell, I don't know how to do the math either.

I have just heard that MM logic and adding extra rules can be very difficult.

[Solahma]

Deathlike, on 20 May 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

IIRC, this is try #3.

2 parts to that though. First was 3/3/3/3 AND 1-group, second was only trying 1-group again, now this one is trying 3/3/3/3 AND 1-group again.

So really 2 times for 3/3/3/3 and 3 times for the 1-group per team.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Deathlike, on 20 May 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

Had just 7 Assault mechs on the opfor moments ago, so... it's off and/or not working as intended™.

I had to do some thinking while this wait was going on (3 matches: 3 min light, 13 min light, 7 min assault).

One of the problems with the "Elo buckets" is that Elo is dependent on the weight class you are bringing. That is, it is very possible that people have VASTLY DIFFERENT if not DIVERSE Elo buckets. While I think I'm more or less the same in all weight classes, some people are can arguably be BETTER OR WORSE in various weight classes.

Outside of the simple issue that the MM ASSUMES that everyone has an EQUAL CHANCE of picking a weight class... the bigger problem is that NOT EVERYONE PLAYS EVERY WEIGHT CLASS EQUALLY.

The math simply won't agree with people's skills... thus causing a population issue with the Elo buckets. So, while the MM info display "may be accurate", it doesn't "accurately describe" your Elo bracket that you would fall into... thus the problem shows its ugly face right now. That doesn't even account for Solo vs Premade either... as I was struggling for a match while solo.

This is definitely true, my Light ELO is probably pretty terrible.

Whereas my Medium ELO is probably my best.

[Solahma]

I wonder how MM would work if they reset ELO and tried again WITH 3/3/3/3. See how things adjust.

[Deathlike]

Solahma, on 20 May 2014 - 01:08 PM, said:

2 parts to that though. First was 3/3/3/3 AND 1-group, second was only trying 1-group again, now this one is trying 3/3/3/3 AND 1-group again.

So really 2 times for 3/3/3/3 and 3 times for the 1-group per team.

At this point, it's all fail in love and MWO.

Iqfish, on 20 May 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

How to tell you entered a different mindset on MWO:

[Khobai]

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How to tell you entered a different mindset on MWO:

If I start liking your posts you know youre in trouble