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[thantos911]

ECM is overpowered, end of story everyone knows it PGI knows it and so does most everyone that plays. Simple point is PGI has never ever ever released another ECM mech and wont. Hell they had a chance in the last Huge batch and in the Clan batch. God knows the clan have some ECM mechs but you don't see one ECM variant listed. So argue as you may they know it as well.

[Zerberoff]

The problem isnt the ECM... its the fact that noone has the urge to run a supporting Mech. Everyone just wants to be the big Tank, the DamageDealer, everying but a supporter! The problem isnt the ECM, its the "i_am_tha_fooking_bestest_Progamer_in_tha world" mentality.

Start playing a supporter with everything that is needed like BAP, TAG, Sensorange Modul, AMS, all this stuff that you currently think its crap and useless tonnage. Weaponry becomes your secondary equipment, but your the one thats going to lead your team to the Win.

As a sidenote,
all this stuff also isnt useless when there isnt any ECM against you, you getting spotting assist, you can lock up targets behind 750m you also getting extra Cash and Points for assists while you TAG Targets for the LRM´s.

Playing a supporter isnt easy, you cant just stay beside your Assault Lance and watch your Points and Cash go up, you also need to choose wise what kind of Mech is usefull for such a role. But once you getting used to it, you will love it... if you dont, then you better hope someone else picks the Supporter role or you are pretty much crippled, but thats not the games Fault, or the MM fault neither it is an wobbly elo system, its the Community.
The one and only thing you can blame PGI for is for the minor support-reward System, but from my point of view as a supporter its not too bad...could be more ;p .... well.. anyhow.

I dont want ECM to be nerved, make it stronger... give it an 1000m Range Bubble and Drop in an hireing System for Players.. i will gladly give you my helping Hand... for the right Price

[Fatal25]

I get so tired hearing of players whining about ECM. If you bring an ECM equipped mech they expect you to follow them around, like you owe them something. God forbid you take your Atlas and a few friends and flank, which is extremely effective in a lot of cases. Bottom line, if you want to have ECM on your team bring an ECM mech.

[Livewyr]

Zerberoff, on 28 May 2014 - 12:35 AM, said:

The problem isnt the ECM... its the fact that noone has the urge to run a supporting Mech. Everyone just wants to be the big Tank, the DamageDealer, everying but a supporter! The problem isnt the ECM, its the "i_am_tha_fooking_bestest_Progamer_in_tha world" mentality.

Start playing a supporter with everything that is needed like BAP, TAG, Sensorange Modul, AMS, all this stuff that you currently think its crap and useless tonnage. Weaponry becomes your secondary equipment, but your the one thats going to lead your team to the Win.

As a sidenote,
all this stuff also isnt useless when there isnt any ECM against you, you getting spotting assist, you can lock up targets behind 750m you also getting extra Cash and Points for assists while you TAG Targets for the LRM´s.

Playing a supporter isnt easy, you cant just stay beside your Assault Lance and watch your Points and Cash go up, you also need to choose wise what kind of Mech is usefull for such a role. But once you getting used to it, you will love it... if you dont, then you better hope someone else picks the Supporter role or you are pretty much crippled, but thats not the games Fault, or the MM fault neither it is an wobbly elo system, its the Community.
The one and only thing you can blame PGI for is for the minor support-reward System, but from my point of view as a supporter its not too bad...could be more ;p .... well.. anyhow.

I dont want ECM to be nerved, make it stronger... give it an 1000m Range Bubble and Drop in an hireing System for Players.. i will gladly give you my helping Hand... for the right Price

Did you actually read the thread? Not just the OP.

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Also, I have a "supporter" mech as you call it. (A Scout) But in order for that to be of any value other than minor giggles for you, there has to be an information warfare pillar.. which there isn't. It's "Turn missiles off/turn missiles on." Maps aren't big enough for the [sic] signal stealth to have any appreciable effect. (Or active scouting for that matter.. after the initial scout to see where the main force is going, you just meet them there.. after that.. no use.)

Fatal25, on 28 May 2014 - 01:21 AM, said:

I get so tired hearing of players whining about ECM. If you bring an ECM equipped mech they expect you to follow them around, like you owe them something. God forbid you take your Atlas and a few friends and flank, which is extremely effective in a lot of cases. Bottom line, if you want to have ECM on your team bring an ECM mech.

Ok?

Edited by Livewyr, 28 May 2014 - 02:34 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

ugrakarma, on 27 May 2014 - 11:02 AM, said:

In league play for example on low tonnage drop if the enemy stacks ECM even if your whole team equips BAP you can't get locks for streaks. It stacks weird.

Also if there is an obvious problem, what does it matter if these occur rarely? Broken system should be fixed.

In League Play isn't the primary weapon combo AC/PPC, which has a direct Impact on ECM?

[Zerberoff]

Livewyr, on 28 May 2014 - 02:33 AM, said:

Did you actually read the thread? Not just the OP.

I did read it, now what?

[Joseph Mallan]

Zerberoff, on 28 May 2014 - 03:05 AM, said:

I did read it, now what?

Continue to give your opinion even if many of us disagree.

[Zerberoff]

Joseph Mallan, on 28 May 2014 - 03:07 AM, said:

Continue to give your opinion even if many of us disagree.

I try! but its hard to not sound like a Broken long-playing record with so many Threads out there with the same Topic

[Wolfways]

Zerberoff, on 28 May 2014 - 03:12 AM, said:

I try! but its hard to not sound like a Broken long-playing record with so many Threads out there with the same Topic

That tends to happen in game forums when something in the game is broken.

[Zerberoff]

Wolfways, on 28 May 2014 - 04:11 AM, said:

That tends to happen in game forums when something in the game is broken.

Usaly i would agree, but not when just a few people claiming the right to speak for the whole Game Community.

[Karl Streiger]

Zerberoff, on 28 May 2014 - 04:16 AM, said:

Usaly i would agree, but not when just a few people claiming the right to speak for the whole Game Community.

Me more post - me speak for 48 Zerberoffs... and me DISAGREEEEEEEE (du weißt was jetzt kommt)















but as i stated it some where else - we did want information warfare - we get ECM, TAG, UAV, NARC.....

And on a subjective point of view - i hardly recognize that enemy Mechs have ECM - most that need LRMs have TAG and BAP and SSRM2s. It still a bad system in my eyes, but its a working system.

The burning rage deep in my heart is simple based on the same foundation as the hate vs country flags and golden KhanMechs, ............................................................................................................................................................... it doesn't feel right.

Edited by Karl Streiger, 28 May 2014 - 04:24 AM.

[Zerberoff]

Karl Streiger, on 28 May 2014 - 04:20 AM, said:

Me more post - me speak for 48 Zerberoffs... and me DISAGREEEEEEEE (du weißt was jetzt kommt)

ARGH! Karl ist überall! lulz! xD

[Scandinavian Jawbreaker]

Joseph Mallan, on 28 May 2014 - 02:52 AM, said:

In League Play isn't the primary weapon combo AC/PPC, which has a direct Impact on ECM?

Not in low tonnage drops because PPC doesn't do damage under 90 and er ppc is too hot so it's fast brawling mostly in your face.

[wanderer]

ECM is also at it's deadliest rounding a corner.

I can't count how many times I've lured a 'Mech after me around a corner and into the fire lane of a lance under ECM cover.

The target doesn't even get low signal, just dead. Rinse and repeat. To a PUG, if it doesn't have a red triangle it doesn't exist...heck, I've had players on the same team mock them for losing to a single LRM boat when in reality, he got 4-5v1'd and mashed.

[Vandul]

Khobai, on 26 May 2014 - 11:27 PM, said:

ECM should only give stealth to the mech its equipped on (Unless other mechs have an active C3 console), the bubble stealth should be completely removed.

[Wildstreak]

ECM does not need a buff, Stealth needs to go then reset it as it should be and no more need for all those silly counters.

There does need to be more done for benefitting Support like spotting. Sure, it is worth it to the team to be the guy who spots for them but ti does not reward that role and that is the main problem. No matter how much it is described as a team benefit, spotting will not be done much because of the lack of reward. Players are smart enough to see where the CB comes from and you need CB to buy things in game unless you spend real money. Being at a financial disadvantage puts off spotting.

Telling people to bring their own ECM Mech is a lame argument. A match with nothing but Atlas-DCs, Cicada-3Ms, Raven-3Ls, Spider-5Ds and Commando-2Ds will get old. ECM clearly will not be available for everyone.