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[Boh]

blindprophet, on 20 June 2012 - 09:20 AM, said:

The final PC specs are known....

so what are the final PC specs?

edit: found them.
and again I'm stuck in the limbo of the unknown.
First happened with tribes: ascend, it turned out I could play it just fine, but this... not sure...

minimum specs:
CPU:
Core 2 Duo E6750 2.66GHz
Athlon II X2 245e
GPU:
GeForce 8800GT
Radeon HD 5600/5700
RAM: 4 GB
OS: Windows Vista 32-bit

My specs:
CPU: Core 2 Duo P7350 2.00GHz
GPU:
GeForce GTX 260m(yes, it's a notebook, a gaming one but still)
RAM: 4GB
OS: Windows 7 64-bit

So you see, my CPU is not up to par but my GPU is a bit better than the recommended one. On the tribes: ascend situation someone gave me a key to test it out, but this isnt exactly possible on this one, afaik.

any guesses?

Edited by Boh, 21 June 2012 - 11:45 AM.

[BlindProphet]

Boh, on 21 June 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

so what are the final PC specs?

http://mwomercs.com/...veloper-update/

[Creed Buhallin]

cw roy, on 21 June 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:

Pure speculation.

And the people choosing to buy are somehow different?

Honestly, it's not speculation. It's an analysis informed by the way PGI is handling information. Consider a comparison - Guild Wars 2. They did a similar full-price prepurchase, but before they put it on sale they let every game reporter in the known world play the beta for a few weeks, and allowed them to publish their impressions freely. Once people were into the beta weekends, they were there with no NDA. The prepurchase and everything that goes with it is still available for purchase. In short, I can make that go-nogo decision informed by a number of different sources all outside of Arena.net's control. Even before then, I was able to play GW2 at PAX almost 2 years ago, with no NDA or gag order required.

Compare that to what we have now for MWO. A half-dozen or so gameplay videos, a bunch of dev blogs and screen shots. All of which was handled tightly and controlled directly by PGI - as far as I know, there's not a single piece of (legal) information out there that came from a independent source.

The difference in the two is not speculation - it's simple fact. What it means is a bit more speculative, but it's really shouldn't be a stretch to establish that a company that's more concerned about controlling information is less confident in how that information will be received.

[Kribson]

GHQCommander, on 20 June 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

I was going to spend $120, then I read more posts asking to actually see what they are going to get for it. Even a single player game gets a small demo for half the price.

So I'm joining that argument.

Give it a couple of months and there will be players in this forum complaining about how they wish they never spent $120. There always is in every game, every kind of argument and complaint. So many users in this forum have spent the $120, they behave as if its nothing, but just wait and see. Some of them will have some complaint to make one day and their tune will change about their payment. Granted not all and most will be happy, like I probably will be.

I too think I will love the game, but it is not the point. My own customers for my own software get a refund if they are not happy and they pay about $140. They also get endless videos, tutorials, endless page of documentation, they get to speak to myself directly, they get access to beta, trials etc

I won't get a refund for my $120 on this if it launches, no rights. Only with software can they get away with that, despite this being a service that can be stopped from their end. Many developers ethics are poor especially in MMO game development. So I realised I don't want to encourage this behaviour in software development when the software is provided via a controlled web service, not a stand alone product for Windows. They are hiding behind the old software no return excuse, desptie it not applying in the slightest because this is a service.

They could issue even 1 hour of beta access and I want that first. That is my change of position since a couple of days ago.

When I have no trial for my software, customers don't want to pay $20 never mind $120. Let me see the game please, thanks.

I played the older mech games a little and i guess the general controls are very similar to what is known, the videos that are out by now show really nice grafics...changes concerning balancing of mechs or modules can easily be made if the community asks the developers to. The guys seem pretty frank and willing to give as the best experience possible.

Hence I have faith it will be a lot of fun

Concerning people that will complain about having bought a founders pack...well, that's possibly true....there are always people chronicly unsatisfied, and 10 of them are often louder than five hundreds that feel just fine with what they got there.

The problem is they simply cannot give everybody a beta key rightaway. beta is for testing, and i'm happy they dont spend time on making up a demo version but put all effort in bringing out the real thing.

Actually the whole F2P concept is something like a demo, because they produced something you could play forever, or at least as long as they can afford, without spending a dime.

Edited by Kribson, 21 June 2012 - 11:56 AM.

[BlindProphet]

Creed Buhallin, on 21 June 2012 - 11:47 AM, said:

And the people choosing to buy are somehow different?

Honestly, it's not speculation. It's an analysis informed by the way PGI is handling information. Consider a comparison - Guild Wars 2. They did a similar full-price prepurchase, but before they put it on sale they let every game reporter in the known world play the beta for a few weeks, and allowed them to publish their impressions freely. Once people were into the beta weekends, they were there with no NDA. The prepurchase and everything that goes with it is still available for purchase. In short, I can make that go-nogo decision informed by a number of different sources all outside of Arena.net's control. Even before then, I was able to play GW2 at PAX almost 2 years ago, with no NDA or gag order required.

I feel obligated to point out you have far more faith in the gaming media than most people do. Second you could have played MWO at E3 without a gag order if I'm not mistaken.

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Compare that to what we have now for MWO. A half-dozen or so gameplay videos, a bunch of dev blogs and screen shots. All of which was handled tightly and controlled directly by PGI - as far as I know, there's not a single piece of (legal) information out there that came from a independent source.

The difference in the two is not speculation - it's simple fact. What it means is a bit more speculative, but it's really shouldn't be a stretch to establish that a company that's more concerned about controlling information is less confident in how that information will be received.

If you say so.

[xMEPHISTOx]

Reinholt, on 20 June 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:

To me it boiled down to whether I wanted to support the development of a game I was already awestruck by simply with watching the trailers. And whether I wanted to assure myself of access nlt than 7 August. All the other bells and whistles of having a leg up on the skill trees and the ability lifelong to make more money were nice too.

RUT ROH Shaggy looks like AOD has quit tanks to try their luck with MECHS...!!! Well hope it works out for you all better than WOT did.

[PerryRaptor]

I find it troubling that these Founder Packs will no longer be available for purchase once Beta 2 trial period begins. I have not read anything from the developers box explaining why they have limited the time period for selling these packs before final game release. I also have not read anything from the developers box as to their motivation for these pre-release sales.

Consider for the moment that a player does not buy a package and only plays two hours a week. This player will be stuck in a Jenner for months. I believe this player will decide to spend hard cash to buy another 'Mech and give this game a second go. By the time my scenario plays out this player will not have a 'Mech Bay of sufficent resources to be competitive any longer.

A second scenario offered involves playing on a team/lance. Likely, the Lance Leader will not pick you to play if all you have to offer is a Jenner.

I have made the assumption that the MWO community one year from now will only be comprised of those willing to risk $60 to $120 dollars now and those who can afford to buy 'Mechs will real money after final release.

[Oneshot]

Riin Suul, on 21 June 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:

people demanding to play a game before they prepurchase it is absurd.

You think so?
All games at 1 time came with trial versions.

You may be too young to know that.
Lately most are buy before you try. I call it income assurance.

I'm personally not an impulse buyer so waiting comes naturaly.

[Kribson]

PerryRaptor, on 21 June 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

I find it troubling that these Founder Packs will no longer be available for purchase once Beta 2 trial period begins. I have not read anything from the developers box explaining why they have limited the time period for selling these packs before final game release. I also have not read anything from the developers box as to their motivation for these pre-release sales.

Consider for the moment that a player does not buy a package and only plays two hours a week. This player will be stuck in a Jenner for months. I believe this player will decide to spend hard cash to buy another 'Mech and give this game a second go. By the time my scenario plays out this player will not have a 'Mech Bay of sufficent resources to be competitive any longer.

A second scenario offered involves playing on a team/lance. Likely, the Lance Leader will not pick you to play if all you have to offer is a Jenner.

I have made the assumption that the MWO community one year from now will only be comprised of those willing to risk $60 to $120 dollars now and those who can afford to buy 'Mechs will real money after final release.

you cannot be a founder when its allready running. Somehow clear from the word "founder". But they said there will possibly (okay, I know the last word still has room for speculation ;-)) be other special offers in the future.

Edited by Kribson, 21 June 2012 - 12:10 PM.

[Pook600]

Arom, on 20 June 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

I agree - my beta request has been pending for a number of weeks.

Even shedding out $60 for a game I've not played or even know the final PC spec it too much a gamble.

Ever Pre-ordered a game? This is the same thing. You're just choosing how much you wanna buy it for, if anything...

[Kribson]

Oneshot, on 21 June 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:

You think so?
All games at 1 time came with trial versions.

You may be too young to know that.
Lately most are buy before you try. I call it income assurance.

I'm personally not an impulse buyer so waiting comes naturaly.

Here you are right. Anyone ever bought a car before testdriving it? Got my point?

Edited by Kribson, 21 June 2012 - 12:10 PM.

[xMEPHISTOx]

PerryRaptor, on 21 June 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

I find it troubling that these Founder Packs will no longer be available for purchase once Beta 2 trial period begins. I have not read anything from the developers box explaining why they have limited the time period for selling these packs before final game release. I also have not read anything from the developers box as to their motivation for these pre-release sales.

Well welcome to modern gaming. It is becoming more and more common for companies to want to reap the benefits prior to actually providing the product. Im not a big fan of this type of model but whatever it is what it is. It creates a minimal risk for a company to not have to invest to much of their own capital into the maintenance and purchasing of new equipment and pay salaries.
Anyhow this will allow them to do much needed upgrades to servers and what not. And I am hoping provide smooth gameplay on August 7th and no more bumped dates for us to play as it has already went form July 19th to Aug 7th which really sucks. But not that I have payed to be bumped again would be heinous and at that point i may even feel a bit duped lol.
Imagine this...we all pay $$$ to get in early and it gets bumped...gets bumped again, you finaly get in and one week later it goes LIVE...now how special would you feel then...lol.
Doubt that will be the case but if you can think it, it can happen.

[misher]

I totally concur with this! Im an advic MW fan having played 3,4, MC2, and MWLL, read 90% of the novels and I'd love this game, BUT before I shell out $120 I want to try the game for at least a hour. I think its extremely unreasonable to ask for 120 without giving us a demo. I can't just pay $120 just cause the game has "mechwarrior" in it. I've paid at least over $200 in LoL but thats after I played it and liked it.

If any mods/admins are reading this please consider opening the game up for a day and letting us try it! I will tell u now theres about a 90% chance I personally would buy the $120 founder pack if this happens, but without I will probably buy the cheapest one.

Edited by misher, 21 June 2012 - 12:15 PM.

[Naemorian]

Lots of noise for basicly nothing. Several threads complaining about same thing, if you dont want to spend the money for any of the packages then just dont. It is really that simple. You're totally entitled to your opinion, its just weird seeing people complain about the prices when they probaply spend more money for more obscure things. I use same amount of money going out to the bar in a single evening that i spent for this pack and will most likely get me few hundred/thousand hours of fun instead few hours of drunkedness (and fun) without a hangover. Worst case scenario i can see is that game flops few months after release and even in that case there's a good chance i will have played enough to call it a good deal. Just my 2 cents.

[Kribson]

misher, on 21 June 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

I totally concur with this! Im an advic MW fan having played 3,4, MC2, and MWLL, read 90% of the novels and I'd love this game, BUT before I shell out $120 I want to try the game for at least a hour. I think its extremely unreasonable to ask for 120 without giving us a demo. I can't just pay $120 just cause the game has "mechwarrior" in it. I've paid at least over $200 in LoL but thats after I played it and liked it.

If any mods/admins are reading this please consider opening the game up for a day and letting us try it! I will tell u now theres about a 90% chance I personally would buy the $120 founder pack if this happens, but without I will probably buy the cheapest one.

mhm...i think i know what you mean...even the local dealer gave me my first trip for free ;-)


by the way...why did you change the tags...I liked it better before...the legendary looked more special than the others. Now i feel bad i bought the ****** founders pack

Edited by Kribson, 21 June 2012 - 12:21 PM.

[xMEPHISTOx]

misher, on 21 June 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

I totally concur with this! Im an advic MW fan having played 3,4, MC2, and MWLL, read 90% of the novels and I'd love this game, BUT before I shell out $120 I want to try the game for at least a hour. I think its extremely unreasonable to ask for 120 without giving us a demo. I can't just pay $120 just cause the game has "mechwarrior" in it. I've paid at least over $200 in LoL but thats after I played it and liked it.

If any mods/admins are reading this please consider opening the game up for a day and letting us try it! I will tell u now theres about a 90% chance I personally would buy the $120 founder pack if this happens, but without I will probably buy the cheapest one.

Well no one is forcing you....simply do not make the purchase.

I for one want early access, want a founder mech and also dont mind helping Piranha get this up and running sooner rather than later. This large infusion of capital will ensure these things happen.

So again it is a personal choice that only you can make. Whining and greifing on these forums will help you in no way. Only way you will be able to 'try' it prior to buying founder pack is to be one of the fortunate few in closed beta...good luck w/that.

[CW Roy]

I bet a lot of the people complaining less frequently are the ones that wouldn't pay for anything in MWO, even after its release.

Which is cool, it's a F2P for a good reason. Just stop complaining so much.. Do you guys think the devs haven't yet seen this swarm of crap steaming off you? Ease up on the constant threads and posts mimicing the same opinion already voiced. You're attracting a lot of flies.

Edited by cw roy, 21 June 2012 - 12:39 PM.

[Kracow]

No need to attack the poor folks that are trying to get some real information on if this is going to be a worthwhile purchase or not.

Don't know about anyone else but my % of games purchased without real good information turning out to be flops is quite high. I'm sure the OP is just trying to figure out some more solid details.

I like most people who love MW series would hate to see this turn into some over hyped flop not because I spent money but it would just be another dagger into the MW series of games.

[Simbach]

I will throw my two cents into the fray. I can see a bit of both sides of the fence. On the one hand, it's hard to shell out money for something when you have no idea how good it will be. You basically have to look at the published material about the item and decide for yourself if you feel it's worth it. Standalone games are like this. Every now and then you see sample games that have one or two levels or something. When those are available then it's just more published material to factor into your decision to buy.

Not every game will have an open beta for you to test with. I think it is unrealistic to expect every company to offer you a 'try before you buy' option. While it would be nice if that were the case, it's just not feasible for most companies to do that. While I would love to have had that option, I wouldn't expect it to be universal. It would haave saved me plenty of money in the past by stopping me from buying crap games.

MMO's on the other hand have some more flexibility there since they typically have internet based installs. I think it is very wise of them to limit the beta testing size. There are plenty of logistics that are involved. If they had an open beta and don't have the server farms sized correctly for instance it would make for a miserable experience and likely hurt sales when the only thing wrong was a capacity problem.

Basically, you just have to decide for yourself if you feel it is worth the cash when evaluating whether or not you want to pay for a game. You, as a consumer, have the right to vote with your wallet. If you vote yes, you are saying you have faith that the game will be worth your money. If you vote no, you have decided the publisher hasn't sold you on the value of the game yet. There is no wrong choice. Each person has to decide what is best for them. That's really all there is to it.......

[MagnusEffect]

Ultimately, the founder's pack is a chance for fans who believe in the product enough to put money down even with it still being in beta. I'm not saying "if you don't buy a founder's pack, you are not a fan". Some say it is just a money grab, but I feel it as being a very real way to assist the development (besides beta testing and bug reporting of course) of what will hopefully be an awesome game. Besides, the veteran pack is very reasonably priced if money is an issue. You know the whole saying: put your money where your mouth is. Make no mistake, it is a gamble... for me personally, a gamble that I believe is worth it. And when you do the math on what you get out of it, it is a very good deal. To me, the mechs are just sort of bonus;only one part of the overall benefit.

Anyone complaining about the founder packs is totally missing the point that some of us have desperately wanted to throw money at PGI (to support development), but until now have been unable to do so. However, I'm not supportive of any unfair COMBAT advantage (like WoT has done). The founder mech bonuses are strictly a logistical one: small boost to XP and CBills seems like a reasonable benefit without being overpowered. In other words; the fact that it saves me a little extra hassle when repairing my mech should not have any effect on your ability to enjoy the game.

As for a try before you buy idea, while I'm not opposed to it, I don't think it is going to happen. It also makes my previous point in the first paragraph a moot point (for better or for worse).

Edited by MagnusEffect, 21 June 2012 - 01:11 PM.