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[Flyntlock]

God i love forum communities , the game is not even released yet and already the epeen kiddies have started, "I bought a founders pack so my opinion counts and yours does not"... I was going to buy a founders pack ,but the attitude of those who have already bought them has made up my mind for me, with a community like this how can the game fail.....lol.

[Breaker]

While I can appreciate both sides of the argument here, it really just boils down to whether you are willing to take a 120/60/30 dollar gamble on Mechwarrior Online. If you are, you will pay those prices. If not, you will not pay those prices.

Edit: Also, if you really like any of the mechs in the Founder pack. Unfortunately, none of my first choices of mech are there:-(

I myself will wait to see if the game is any good first. This is the way I would treat any game, AAA or not. If the game is any good, i'm sure my fanboyness will require me to make purchases within the game.

A multi-player open beta would be great, even a stress test would be appreciated, as even when the game goes live they have yet to test their hardware with all the traffic from their fans.

Edited by Breaker, 22 June 2012 - 06:32 AM.

[Carl Wrede]

This whole discussion is pointless.

If you like to help fund this project then you buy the founders packages.
If you want to try the game before buying anything you can do that also.

I am sure that there will be enough stuff to buy when the game goes live to satisfy everyone, founders and people who wanted to try the game before buying alike.

[GHQCommander]

Some of us are just pushing for beta.

Something the rest of you didn't do and you paid up quickly. Sales people must love you folks.

But from what I've read today. I think there is little chance the beta decision will change and it looks like we'll need to just pay the $120 without asking for more than it states.

WE TRIED

[Fastred]

Renan Ruivo, on 20 June 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

Well, i'm not saying that they are wrong. In this case there isn't a right or wrong. But everything must have a reason and in my opinion there no good reason to make this deal expire before the open beta.

"Because its a token of good faith from the players" might be a good reason for them and for a lot of fans, but not to me and not to those complaining. Simply put, if players need an arbitrary limitation to show their good faith, then that faith is good for nothing. I ask who would command greater "respect", the player who gave his support without trying it out first because he couldn't, or the player who did it because he chose of his own free will?!

Personally i will buy the one of the packs regardless of wether or not they make it available after open beta goes live, i simply haven't yet because i'm waiting for my credit card cut-off date. But still, nobody is entitled to patronize people who want to buy one of these packs during open beta. They want the pack, but they value their money in a different way then other people, and there is no good reason behind not giving them a chance in a way that won't devalue the packs for everyone.


If someone feels that another person who does not show the same amount of "faith" shouldn't be allowed to reap some of the same rewards (remember, they wouldn't be getting both the head-start and the CB access that you will, but would still pay the same amount of money), then i ask myself what sort of supporter that person is in the first place. A good supporter would believe that the more people paying the better, and not bicker that something that "should be exclusive to him alone" is being offered to someone else.

That's one way of looking at it. Personally I see it as an investment. I see a product I like and feel investing in it will profit me in the future , admittedly the expected return is hours of enjoyable game play and not cash but I value that and am willing the invest accordingly.

That said managing a game player base is like herding cats, no matter how you do it there is going to be a lot of hissing, scratching and general bloodletting, before half of them wander off and ignore you.

So I figure there is one shot at sticking the release. My hope is that the proceeds from this sale will allow the dev team to avoid rushing so they make that shot count.

Edited by Fastred, 22 June 2012 - 06:42 AM.

[ThunderHart]

I suggest you put this topic to rest ether do or don't it's a online game wait until it is released to be on the safe side. Most of use have been waiting on this for years. Myself I have played games from these developers for years and waited until now to get the big game it will not be perfect but that's why we are here to help make it a worth while online game to help fine tune it and keep to the storyline and the game play as it was in all the Mechwarrior games. Faith is not needed they have a good track record and they are listening to use if we don't drive them "CRAZY "

[GHQCommander]

Carl Wrede, on 22 June 2012 - 06:36 AM, said:

This whole discussion is pointless.

If you like to help fund this project then you buy the founders packages.
If you want to try the game before buying anything you can do that also.

I am sure that there will be enough stuff to buy when the game goes live to satisfy everyone, founders and people who wanted to try the game before buying alike.

Well that is opinion really. If enough players stuck together the devs would have been very worried about sales and pushed to add beta to the legendary package for this month. Not in August.

[GHQCommander]

ThunderHart, on 22 June 2012 - 06:40 AM, said:

I suggest you put this topic to rest ether do or don't it's a online game wait until it is released to be on the safe side. Most of use have been waiting on this for years. Myself I have played games from these developers for years and waited until now to get the big game it will not be perfect but that's why we are here to help make it a worth while online game to help fine tune it and keep to the storyline and the game play as it was in all the Mechwarrior games. Faith is not needed they have a good track record and they are listening to use if we don't drive them "CRAZY "

I'm a hard customers to please despite loving MechWarrior. I use to also play Earth Siege for hours, days in a row. Anything mech I love.

I would have been gone and never come back if I thought the devs were anything like the ones in the games I've suffered recently. I have seen some impressive game mechanics from good, smart decisions. A level above devs I've been watching over the last 2 years without a doubt.

If anyone is going to ever take a gamble on a game. I truly feel this is the one and I look forward to playing with fans who have waited for years for this. It should make day 1 all that more exciting and create a huge buzz.

[Whip]

To the OP:

Those who paid up front did so with faith in both the game and the developers to produce that game.

They paid for both the expectation and the reward that it might / will bring, but still did so with faith.

Most if not all of us that remember this game, have been in a wilderness since the last decent release of the "Franchise"

Back then, if one would of asked for donations in order to develop a new release, most would of done so with little hesitation.

Which is why, there was no hesitation when they released these packs for people to buy now.

Us old timers have spent too long in the wilderness of mediocrity bland dull imitations of a game we hold on a pedestal and near worship as a god.

For you to question, nay, even to suggest, speaks of blasphemy and sacrilege.

I for one want to sacrifice you as an appeasement to our Mech God

.......Burn the Unbeliever and Blasphemer!!

Edited by Whip, 22 June 2012 - 06:52 AM.

[GHQCommander]

Whip, on 22 June 2012 - 06:51 AM, said:

To the OP:

Those who paid up front did so with faith in both the game and the developers to produce that game.

They paid for both the expectation and the reward that it might / will bring, but still did so with faith.

Most if not all of us that remember this game, have been in a wilderness since the last decent release of the "Franchise"

Back then, if one would of asked for donations in order to develop a new release, most would of done so with little hesitation.

Which is why, there was no hesitation when they released these packs for people to buy now.

Us old timers have spent too long in the wilderness of mediocrity bland dull imitations of a game we hold on a pedestal and near worship as a god.

For you to question, nay, even to suggest, speaks of blasphemy and sacrilege.

I for one want to sacrifice you as an appeasement to our Mech God

.......Burn the Unbeliever and Blasphemer!!

"blasphemy" lol

HERETICS

Now we're having a laugh, lets get the humour back into the forum today and from here on folks

Edited by GHQCommander, 22 June 2012 - 06:56 AM.

[BlindProphet]

GHQCommander, on 22 June 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

Well that is opinion really. If enough players stuck together the devs would have been very worried about sales and pushed to add beta to the legendary package for this month. Not in August.

Uhhhhhhh....

The whole reason the early access period was pushed back was due to the hardware to support it not being there. You can not make hardware arrive any quicker. You can not set up and test hardware any quicker without sacrificing quality and or missing things.

So no, regardless of sales that certainly wouldn't have helped get beta access to us any quicker.

[CCC Dober]

Honestly, I don't see what 'faith' has to do with it.

My take is that Russ' speech made me realize a couple things (good job btw):

1. I am a MW/BT/canon/lore fan
2. I am also a fan of many other games/universes
3. This game is the first solid pulse in a decade (MW lives! YES!!!)
4. The 'big five' did not want it to succeed and seem to have a good memory (so do I)
5. The fans are all that stands between success and failure (Russ made that crystal clear)
6. The fans are given a unique chance to support a proven and most of all professional developer
7. The same developer is backed by Crytek (very exclusive engine licensing policy)
8. The same developer is backed by a local group instead of a big publisher (no corporate BS)
9. The fans have a maximum of transparency, even during beta (concepts, dev blog, videos, Q&A)
10. The fans have open communication lines to the president himself (an incredible honor)
11. We are facing a new era of game development and MW:O is going to evolve and grow while staying F2P (longevity)
12. I have supported quality games in the past and MW:O has already earned special attention and a double

[Dogbreed]

PissdOffChuchNorrisWithChainsaw, on 22 June 2012 - 05:10 AM, said:

It is a pre-order. What you are buying is not a free game but in-game items (mechs) and subscription fees to a service. They are not free and will never be free. You are also buying (pre-ordering) in-game currency. Essentially you are buying stuff beforehand and none of it is "free". You are making a purchase and you are getting your stuff later but you pay now. It's a pre-order. If you pre-order a car you are not an investor. You are not a founder. You just bought a car and paid beforehand. Even if the car comes with a sticker that says "investor" or "founder" it is just a sticker.

You are not founding anything except one thing. The only thing you are founding is the online community of players of mwo. The founder pack is called founder pack because it sounds cool and allows people to feel like they are supporting something (which they are) but honestly you are pre-ordering the stuff I listed. And there is nothing wrong with that. But it is not investing, it is not founding. It's a purchase.

You also failed to understand your own dictionary quote. You are not starting the development of mwo. You are not laying the foundations of mwo. You are not creating the basis of mwo. You are not formulating the mwo and its mechanics and systems either. You are supporting the game by buying game stuff by pre-ordering sold content.

The founders of mwo are the guys who are making this. The customers are not the founders. The investors are the ones who pay the bills before the game starts making profit by selling stuff or service to customers.

I have no idea why you are trying to twist this to some kind of financial agreement or financial investment when you are just buying game content and getting a sticker that says "founder".

Never said i was an Investor, Founder yes, it will say so in the credits. Just like when i gave money to my local hospital, my name went on a brick in the sitting area, on a plaque oh and invited to the new wing opening. i did not get any benefit ->not an investor. Thought it was a good idea and supported it. Yes their founder Package has some perks, just like the brick at the hospital. Don't make me use that brick on you

beside you should look up the other meanings of founder. hope they don't apply here

Edited by Dogbreed, 22 June 2012 - 07:15 AM.

[Accuso]

basicly... the founders pack is a promise from the developers for you... not a contract...

so... just trust them and you will c :-D btw... as a beta tester you can still have an impact on the game!

[TimberJon]

No.

[Mushi85]

I bought the founders because I know I will be playing this game for sure. I love World of Tanks so and this seems just as cool but different flavour.

[Koenig]

Whip, on 22 June 2012 - 06:51 AM, said:

To the OP:

Those who paid up front did so with faith in both the game and the developers to produce that game.

They paid for both the expectation and the reward that it might / will bring, but still did so with faith.

Most if not all of us that remember this game, have been in a wilderness since the last decent release of the "Franchise"

Back then, if one would of asked for donations in order to develop a new release, most would of done so with little hesitation.

Which is why, there was no hesitation when they released these packs for people to buy now.

Us old timers have spent too long in the wilderness of mediocrity bland dull imitations of a game we hold on a pedestal and near worship as a god.

For you to question, nay, even to suggest, speaks of blasphemy and sacrilege.

I for one want to sacrifice you as an appeasement to our Mech God

.......Burn the Unbeliever and Blasphemer!!

Again, all of your (not completely silly) reasons are bogus because of the way the "deal" has been presented. If you want to donate money to PG to help assure the success of the title. I don't have a problem with that. If they want to reward you with a forum title and some in-game branding calling you a Founder, I dont have a problem with that. If they want to reserve the beta for people who donated money early on, I dont have a problem with that. If they want to give you some extra in game money after the release, I dont have a problem with that. If they want to give you extra gear for a discounted price I dont have a problem with that.

What I have a problem with is this: After the OB starts, I can't get the same 4 mechs that you will have, No matter how much money I am willing to spend because the offer expires.

If that doesn't sound like a "get it before it's too late" gimmick, combine with an unusually strict NDA, I don't know what does. Not saying they are trying to sell us a ****. However, for those of us who have been consumers (and some of us developers) in the software industry over the past several decades know, this has a bad vibe to it.

[Dogbreed]

Hey Keonig,

Do you mean you can't get that mech or that you can't get the one with the boost and maybe custom skin. I can lookup the post but these are the same as the in-game mech's with a life time c-bill boost and custom skin. according to the post they are that prime variant for that mech line and you have to start there for that mech. With the founder pack you start sooner and get a little credit bonus with that variant. What i am not sure of if i want a commando i would have to start with a Jenner in the light line before i could get to buy a Jenner, like in the WOT tech tree?

[Refizul]

What about the concept of "give them money NOW and get extra stuff for it" is so hard to understand? If your not OK with spending money on an unknown product then simple wait for the open beta and buy the Preorder/Starter/etc. Pack after you tried it. (and yes the existence of such an offer is pure speculation on what other games had before launch). And if you don't want to invest money at all that's also OK because the wast majority will be doing exactly that in a FTP game. All you have to do is wait a little longer.

It seems, most of the anger comes from not getting access to the closed beta 1, not wanting to spend money for entrance into closed beta 2 and having to wait with all the other normal mortals till the game goes into open beta. When you read some of the comments you would image that MWO will not have an open beta at all and also isn't FTP.

The only problem I see is that nobody knows how valuable said extra stuff is once the game is released. Maybe there will be a better pack available next Christmas with special Santa-Mech variants you can only buy on the 24th.

[BlindProphet]

Koenig, on 22 June 2012 - 07:26 AM, said:

What I have a problem with is this: After the OB starts, I can't get the same 4 mechs that you will have, No matter how much money I am willing to spend because the offer expires.

You don't get the cbill bonus or the skin. However beyond those two exceedingly minor things...there is nothing special about the mechs. They are the same base variants that you will be able to purchase. Same loadouts, same armor, same everything except for the two things I mentioned.