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[Pastor Priest]

OK, so I'm finally ready to upgrade my computer to handle games with good graphics, and get FPS in the 40+ range. I'm thinking along the lines of a FX 6300 or i5-2500K. Am I off base? Or, do you have any other recommendations around the price/performance range? I'm also looking to run Star Citizen, if that helps.

Edit: If I have to run SC in low settings, so be it. The low on that still looks very good, from what I've seen.

Edited by Pastor Priest, 02 June 2014 - 06:21 PM.

[process]

That Intel chip is a couple generations old. Depending on your budget, you'll be looking for an i5-4xxx. I put my last machine together with an i5-4570S and an R9 270x, and I get about 70+ FPS at 1920x1200 with everything set on very high.

I don't know anything about AMD chips.

[Summon3r]

is there a reason you are going 2 gens back on the intel cpu? needles to say a i5-4670k is by far your best bet especially if you are considering star citizen which tbh in that case id try and save your pennies for a 4770k. but if your willing to go ojn low settings then the 4670k will do you well. what about gpu?

[Pastor Priest]

Mostly using it as a reference point. Reading the forums at SC, my understanding is something along those lines could run the game. If I can get something close to that performance and price, I would be happy. As far as GPU, I have a 560ti I bought used about a year ago, which is serving me pretty well.

[Smokeyjedi]

Pastor Priest, on 03 June 2014 - 03:36 AM, said:

Mostly using it as a reference point. Reading the forums at SC, my understanding is something along those lines could run the game. If I can get something close to that performance and price, I would be happy. As far as GPU, I have a 560ti I bought used about a year ago, which is serving me pretty well.

A highly OC'd 6300(liquid cooled) may keep up with a Haswell I5 at stock clocks, The I7 4770 takes 8AMD cores(FX8350) 4.77ghz to match So unless u want to be involved in the bi-monthly dusting and or OC tweaking Intel would be the no brainer way to go. Someone who enjoys the art of OC can have a lot of fun with AMD. Just be sure either way to go with 1866+ DDR3 ram

[Barbaric Soul]

A 2500K is still plenty powerful compared to the 3570k and 4670k. It's at most 10% slower than a 4670k, but is generally a better OC'er, meaning with OC'ing, it has to potential of being faster than the 4670k. I would not have a issue with build a 2500k gaming system, especially if I found a good deal on the 2500k.

[Goose]

I don't know where you'd get a new i5-2500k at this point, but it should be in good shape.

Piledriver/ Steamroller seems to have some tuning issues in a CryEngine game that haven't been addressed: I can appreciate how 'clocking can be half the fun of a build for this game, but I would appear it will be moar then half the fun in this case.

[Rhaythe]

I don't recommend AMD chipsets for this game. It does not currently seem to be targeted for that platform. I'd recommend sticking with the i5 or i7.

[xWiredx]

About the only things that anybody can sanely recommend for MWO are Intel i5 and i7 chips from the Ivy Bridge and Haswell families at this point. AMD has a fairly large disadvantage in MWO.

[Rhaythe]

xWiredx, on 03 June 2014 - 07:06 AM, said:

About the only things that anybody can sanely recommend for MWO are Intel i5 and i7 chips from the Ivy Bridge and Haswell families at this point. AMD has a fairly large disadvantage in MWO.

It doesn't help that MWO is very processor-dependent with little being exported to the GPU. While not entirely unusual (many development studios develop on a target platform and then export to others), this seems to be more common in free-to-play studios. Take a look at Planetside 2 last year. If you weren't playing on an i5 or i7, don't even bother.

[Desintegrator]

Pastor Priest, on 02 June 2014 - 06:18 PM, said:

OK, so I'm finally ready to upgrade my computer to handle games with good graphics, and get FPS in the 40+ range. I'm thinking along the lines of a FX 6300 or i5-2500K. Am I off base? Or, do you have any other recommendations around the price/performance range? I'm also looking to run Star Citizen, if that helps.

Edit: If I have to run SC in low settings, so be it. The low on that still looks very good, from what I've seen.

You should not buy this good old Intel Sandy Bridge CPU. A modern Haswell is really faster in Games.
My recommendation is a 4670K for around 200$. Fast and doesnt dram much power. Completely unlocked for overclocking. A very good CPU if you dont want to spend much money.

Also MWO needs a powerful CPU - as most of the online multiplayer games.

[Lord Letto]

Toms Hardware put the I5-4670k as best gaming CPU for the Money for May ($200+ Range), any higher (I7-4770K+ for example) And the Price/Performance starts to diminish: http://www.tomshardw...ock,3106-4.html

when it comes to budget/Entry Level is where they recommend AMD in the $125 and under range with the Athlon X4 750K for Entry level gaming and the FX-6300 as a Budget Gaming Alternative: http://www.tomshardw...ock,3106-2.html

Edit: while I'm unsure what CPU You have now you mentioned you have a 560TI, If you were looking at upgrading it, Toms recommends the GTX 760 and the R9 280X for the best enthusiast level GPUs ($200-$390 Range): http://www.tomshardw...iew,3107-4.html
the 760 is would be a recommended minimum upgrade as it's at least 3 steps above the 560TI in the Hierarchy Chart: http://www.tomshardw...iew,3107-7.html

Edited by Lord Letto, 03 June 2014 - 07:42 AM.

[Kazma]

Just don't get an AMD FX if you want to play MW:O, because MW:O doesn't run well with these.
Its not that AMD CPUs are bad. The game just has issues with them.

[Goose]

Or, wait …

[NeoCodex]

Please do NOT consider anything else but Intel for a gaming PC.

Here's the link to my post where I describe the problem in short:

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__3225709

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__3226518

Still, my best recommendation is the same CPU I got: I5 4670K, for about 200$ you can overclock it to near high-end i7 cpu that costs almost double the price, this is currently the best value CPU you can get.

As stated in my other posts, I gained double performance in fps and got completely rid of all the stutters with the upgrade from Amd Phenom II X965 which has SAME base clock speed, just it's single cores are only half as snappy as on this i5. Before it fps was all over the place even at low settings from 40 dropping down to 20 fps sometimes, now it is a solid 60+ everything maxed +FSAA, with the rest of the system hardware staying the same.

Don't even consider AMD for gaming, just get Intel.

[Maggiman]

Short Answer: Go with the Intel CPU.
If you get a cheap 2500k buy it. Its a hell of a cpu (i got it @ 4.2Ghz and it runs nicely with air cooling).
If you get a new cpu, get the 4670k. It should be a little faster per clock and most will easily reach 4Ghz without any hickups.

Why?: Single threaded performance is extremely important and that won't change (As most algorithms that run well on many cores can be pushed to the gpu and those that don't need high single threaded performance).
Current AMDs sadly suck in exactly that department and even 8cores dont make that up for the aforementioned reasons.
All that goes double for mwo by the way (It barely utilizes 2 Cores).

edit: Bad grammar, lots of it =)

Edited by Maggiman, 03 June 2014 - 07:46 AM.

[Goose]

Maggiman, on 03 June 2014 - 07:45 AM, said:

It barely utilizes 2 Cores.

Wat.

[Maggiman]

I haven't played for a while, but as far as i know most of the cpu code runs single threaded (The game was originally programmed in dx9 and it was common for those game to be heavily single threaded with very few exceptions)
And no, just because the windows taskmanager shows every core under some load does not mean it utilzes all those cores (Just that the load gets bumped around by windows).
But if that changed, feel free to correct me. (or if you want to debate, feel free to pm me =) )

[focuspark]

Good timing on the upgrade. Wait for this, then buy the generation before. Basically, you should see a $100 discount on today's generation by end of the month.

http://www.pcworld.c...-processor.html

Maggiman, on 03 June 2014 - 08:07 AM, said:

I haven't played for a while, but as far as i know most of the cpu code runs single threaded (The game was originally programmed in dx9 and it was common for those game to be heavily single threaded with very few exceptions)
And no, just because the windows taskmanager shows every core under some load does not mean it utilzes all those cores (Just that the load gets bumped around by windows).
But if that changed, feel free to correct me. (or if you want to debate, feel free to pm me =) )

Game is multi-threaded. IO is definitely offloaded to separate cores. DX9 cannot be multi-threaded, but luckily there's other logic (besides DirectX frame prep work) to be done.

[Lord Letto]

Maggiman, on 03 June 2014 - 07:45 AM, said:

Short Answer: Go with the Intel CPU.
If you get a cheap 2500k buy it. Its a hell of a cpu (i got it @ 4.2Ghz and it runs nicely with air cooling).
If you get a new cpu, get the 4670k. It should be a little faster per clock and most will easily reach 4Ghz without any hickups.

Why?: Single threaded performance is extremely important and that won't change (As most algorithms that run well on many cores can be pushed to the gpu and those that don't need high single threaded performance).
Current AMDs sadly suck in exactly that department and even 8cores dont make that up for the aforementioned reasons.
All that goes double for mwo by the way (It barely utilizes 2 Cores).

edit: Bad grammar, lots of it =)

i've heard MWO Hates Dual cores and to get Quad cores so that would indicate that it's not all about single core performance cause if it was about single core performance than a OCed P4 or something should work Well.