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[Exhaust]

Dagger6T6, on 20 June 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

well if an Urbanmech can wear a tophat I don't see why other mechs can't wear a cloak...

You, you sir win at internets.

[Zervziel]

Oi. People are daft. Yes there is something called the Void Signature System that allows for invisibility however it was seen on only two mechs. The Raptor 2 and the ARC 9W variant of the Archer. Both are Word of Blake which is just really more incentive to burn them on sight. However the cost of the thing is 2 million credits just for the base system and not counting the ECM suite needed to power it. However the VSS won't be introduced until 3070 and after that it remains rare as hell.

So effectively, for this time period, no there is no invisibility for mechs outside of a good ECM suite.

http://www.sarna.net...ignature_System

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Raptor_II

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Archer

Edited by Zervziel, 20 June 2012 - 10:33 AM.

[DocH]

I do not think this should be in the game at all. This is not Star Trek. I hope they keep stuff like that out of the game as it is not part of the original canon. JMO

[Firelizard]

Best you're going to get is high end ECM, motion control discipline, and a really good camo spray job.

[Arctic Fox]

Even the Raptor II's Void Signature System is not really a cloaking device. It's basically only a combination of the Exterminator's Chameleon system, the Null Signature System and ECM. It makes you hard to see and detect as long as you're not moving much, but it's far from actual cloaking, which doesn't exist in the BattleTech universe.

[Name48928]

Just have your mech cross their arms across their chest and shout "OBFUSCATE!"

[GHQCommander]

Remember MechWarrior and books were written to ignore real world technology.

I learned recently to drop all thoughts of realism, including after this conversation already about stealth. It will exist in our world for real in various forms by 2500. So you do need to ask why every mech does not have at least temporary cloaking. But as I said that goes into the realism argument.

However the younger generation won't accept this. They don't tolerate games that are missing things they hear about on the news in real life, in 2012! So I guess between 3-5 years some type of cloak will exist to slowly bring this game into the world of modern gamers, who are far more advanced and far more skilled than most of the old folk who will be playing this.

[SuperDude431]

They do Have adaptive camo in BT. Chameleon LPS system. Used by the Star League. But Super rare during MWO time frame. It wasnt a cloacking device It just helped the mech blend in to the environment. Because of its rarity and that fact that there was only one mech to have ever used the system. I say Leave it out of the game

[Cerlin]

Yorinaga Kurita and Morgan Kell could "cloak" but that is because of their awesome zen powers, not because of a module.

[Battalia]

power your mech down, done, cloaked.

[Arctic Fox]

Cerlin, on 20 June 2012 - 10:43 AM, said:

Yorinaga Kurita and Morgan Kell could "cloak" but that is because of their awesome zen powers, not because of a module.

I thought that was because of their Stackpole fiat...

[Helvetica]

has it been confirmed you can go to passive radar?

[Alaric Wolf Kerensky]

xxReloads, on 20 June 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

should some of the smaller/faster mechs be able to cloak if so why. If not then why not.

You. Have got. To be kidding me. Since when has including invisibility not completely ruined a game? The original Halo with invisible AI enemies is the only instance I can think of on the spot, because it added to suspense but it was not a game-breaker, due to the fact they were computer-controlled. And possibly Tribes, because it is pretty well balanced.

Sure, cloaking may be fun for the person WHO USES IT, but like in all games, it is the people who have it get exploited against them are not going to have fun. Ever get pissed off by a sniper in other games? That is how this would feel.

Final vote: HELL NO.

Edited by Alaric Wolf Kerensky, 20 June 2012 - 10:49 AM.

[OfficerTaco]

Although there is a real cloaking device in real life, it only helps if your about a 1000 ft. away you have to be wearing clothes the same color as whatever is behind you, and it can't hide something any bigger than a person

Edited by NotoriousForce, 20 June 2012 - 10:51 AM.

[Purlana]

Battalia, on 20 June 2012 - 10:45 AM, said:

power your mech down, done, cloaked.

I just imagined a powered down Atlas, while the pilot thought to himself...

That incoming lance will never find me!

Edited by Purlana, 20 June 2012 - 10:50 AM.

[CCC Dober]

Gentlemen, please ...

We have covered this a couple of times and the point is that it exists.
There you go -> Chameleon Light Polarization Shield

It dates back to the Star League and the technology is presumably lost.
The Clans (Kerensky took several prototypes) have access, but frown upon it.
Comstar most definitely has it, but does not share it, along with other tasty cookies.

In short: open your eyes, that technology is so Star League and not even new, it'd be rather ridiculous, if you would continue to argue the point of its existence. It is very much canon if it dates back that far.

Thanks for your attention.

[Death Metal]

As far as i know mechwarrior has never had cloaking. and imo it would only take away from the gameplay since it wouldnt realy fit in, this isnt halo afterall

[Adrienne Vorton]

not the "cloaking device" thread again... oh it´s a new one...makes it better...

[Tacwarrior]

But it was in MechAssault!

I'm just kidding, cloaking would be stupid.

[Adrienne Vorton]

CCC Dober, on 20 June 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

Gentlemen, please ...

We have covered this a couple of times and the point is that it exists.
There you go -> Chameleon Light Polarization Shield

It dates back to the Star League and the technology is presumably lost.
The Clans (Kerensky took several prototypes) have access, but frown upon it.
Comstar most definitely has it, but does not share it, along with other tasty cookies.

In short: open your eyes, that technology is so Star League and not even new, it'd be rather ridiculous, if you would continue to argue the point of its existence. It is very much canon if it dates back that far.

Thanks for your attention.

can we just handle it as "can easily be ignored, because it´s a well covered secret" at least? ...pls...
and btw... if someone writes down tommorow, say, in another weird MW game... "back in the starleague days, a device for timetravel was built, but never shown to the public"... will this also be canon, just because he dated it back to SL? ...

Edited by Adrienne Vorton, 20 June 2012 - 10:59 AM.