I'd like to start off by saying that I have always liked this genre of games since I was little and played with my dad. I may not be a lore monger like I know some here are, but I know enough to get by. That being said.
I would like to make it clear that this is from the perspective of a completely new player. I'm open to suggestions and critique, as long as it's positive. Keep your trolling and negative remarks to yourself because like your remarks, are useless.
While many aspects of this game are very fun. I have found that so many things are completely broken. Particularly the subject matter of the thread.
Out of the 30ish games I have played, I have only won *maybe* 12? Largely in part due to the system in which I am matched against other players. I have found that I am either stuck with a group who is completely new like myself against a pre-composed group of highly skilled players who completely run us over. Or the flip flop and I get no kills, hardly any cash at all and am left to continue hoping for a good game. I find it completely broken that as a new player I am forced to go into a match not knowing anyone at all fearing that every game will be a slaughter fest at the hands of players who have been here for who knows how long. Why isn't there a system in place that pits new players against new players only and veterans against veterans only? This is something I feel that needs to be implemented badly.
Again. This game has many fun things about it, but with every game that passes I am drawing closer and closer to deleting my account, uninstalling the game and avoiding spending any money on a title that I actually really do like.
It would be tremendously helpful and valuable if I could get some developer feedback or something. Because this is hilariously and depressingly sad.
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Posted 05 June 2014 - 02:02 PM
I strive to find games that leave me with a W/L of near 0.5
Good job PGI
wait... nope... I misplaced a 1.0 somewhere in there... and the high ELO players are missing a 2.0 somewhere in there...
DOH!
Good job PGI
wait... nope... I misplaced a 1.0 somewhere in there... and the high ELO players are missing a 2.0 somewhere in there...
DOH!
Edited by Solahma, 05 June 2014 - 02:03 PM.
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Posted 05 June 2014 - 02:04 PM
Are there enough mech simulation games for it to be a genre? Note that I'm asking without even a google search's worth of research, but still, are there enough?
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Posted 05 June 2014 - 02:07 PM
Depends on what you consider a "simulation" game and if MWO fits the bill. There are plenty of Mecha games out there. AC, Titanfall, Hawken, etc. Robotech was back in 2007, but still one of the more recent games. Tons of older games as well.
Not sure what games could be in the near future. I know that Heavy Gear was licensed by Stompy Bot, but I haven't followed up on any progress.
Not sure what games could be in the near future. I know that Heavy Gear was licensed by Stompy Bot, but I haven't followed up on any progress.
Edited by Solahma, 05 June 2014 - 02:18 PM.
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Myrmidos, on 05 June 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:
I'd like to start off by saying that I have always liked this genre of games since I was little and played with my dad. I may not be a lore monger like I know some here are, but I know enough to get by. That being said.
I would like to make it clear that this is from the perspective of a completely new player. I'm open to suggestions and critique, as long as it's positive. Keep your trolling and negative remarks to yourself because like your remarks, are useless.
While many aspects of this game are very fun. I have found that so many things are completely broken. Particularly the subject matter of the thread.
Out of the 30ish games I have played, I have only won *maybe* 12? Largely in part due to the system in which I am matched against other players. I have found that I am either stuck with a group who is completely new like myself against a pre-composed group of highly skilled players who completely run us over. Or the flip flop and I get no kills, hardly any cash at all and am left to continue hoping for a good game. I find it completely broken that as a new player I am forced to go into a match not knowing anyone at all fearing that every game will be a slaughter fest at the hands of players who have been here for who knows how long. Why isn't there a system in place that pits new players against new players only and veterans against veterans only? This is something I feel that needs to be implemented badly.
Again. This game has many fun things about it, but with every game that passes I am drawing closer and closer to deleting my account, uninstalling the game and avoiding spending any money on a title that I actually really do like.
It would be tremendously helpful and valuable if I could get some developer feedback or something. Because this is hilariously and depressingly sad.
I would like to make it clear that this is from the perspective of a completely new player. I'm open to suggestions and critique, as long as it's positive. Keep your trolling and negative remarks to yourself because like your remarks, are useless.
While many aspects of this game are very fun. I have found that so many things are completely broken. Particularly the subject matter of the thread.
Out of the 30ish games I have played, I have only won *maybe* 12? Largely in part due to the system in which I am matched against other players. I have found that I am either stuck with a group who is completely new like myself against a pre-composed group of highly skilled players who completely run us over. Or the flip flop and I get no kills, hardly any cash at all and am left to continue hoping for a good game. I find it completely broken that as a new player I am forced to go into a match not knowing anyone at all fearing that every game will be a slaughter fest at the hands of players who have been here for who knows how long. Why isn't there a system in place that pits new players against new players only and veterans against veterans only? This is something I feel that needs to be implemented badly.
Again. This game has many fun things about it, but with every game that passes I am drawing closer and closer to deleting my account, uninstalling the game and avoiding spending any money on a title that I actually really do like.
It would be tremendously helpful and valuable if I could get some developer feedback or something. Because this is hilariously and depressingly sad.
that's the added challenge of this game;
not only is heat management, arm lock, torso twist, positioning, building a mech, all of those skills are pretty basic;
if you want your money, score and reputation to climb you need to take matters in your own hands 1200%,
what do i mean? you have to carry your whole team to victory!!!
how can you do this by being just a mech? well by mastering the command role of course. you need to learn the dynamics of where each of the 24 mechs is located, what their loadouts are, what chassis they are using, learn all the maps, learn the meta, learn the current best strategies for dealing with each individual problem, learn the strengths and weaknesses of each weapon, just quickly go through the basics of armored combat 101;
but this is not enough!!!
even if you are a good tactician your team will ignore you 50%+ of the time, so what you need foremost is leadership, don't just bark orders like you're god cause that's not relatable, but there are other mistakes like only suggesting plans, you have to be assertive but not douchy - well i wish you luck on this because it's the hardest part of this game dealing with the match maker
also remember that sometime neat 8. pm central time the stupids log in and it's very difficult to play because they will shoot lrms inside 180 and boat tag and never read the intel on screen
oh and if your team loses just tell them all its your fault and that you're a moron but you will do better next time dont misplace the blame that wont help you as much as accepting mistakes
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Posted 05 June 2014 - 02:24 PM
Mazzyplz, on 05 June 2014 - 02:18 PM, said:
that's the added challenge of this game;
not only is heat management, arm lock, torso twist, positioning, building a mech, all of those skills are pretty basic;
if you want your money, score and reputation to climb you need to take matters in your own hands 1200%,
what do i mean? you have to carry your whole team to victory!!!
how can you do this by being just a mech? well by mastering the command role of course. you need to learn the dynamics of where each of the 24 mechs is located, what their loadouts are, what chassis they are using, learn all the maps, learn the meta, learn the current best strategies for dealing with each individual problem, learn the strengths and weaknesses of each weapon, just quickly go through the basics of armored combat 101;
but this is not enough!!!
even if you are a good tactician your team will ignore you 50%+ of the time, so what you need foremost is leadership, don't just bark orders like you're god cause that's not relatable, but there are other mistakes like only suggesting plans, you have to be assertive but not douchy - well i wish you luck on this because it's the hardest part of this game dealing with the match maker
also remember that sometime neat 8. pm central time the stupids log in and it's very difficult to play because they will shoot lrms inside 180 and boat tag and never read the intel on screen
oh and if your team loses just tell them all its your fault and that you're a moron but you will do better next time dont misplace the blame that wont help you as much as accepting mistakes
Doesn't really help much and tells me that this community is a running joke as is the game itself. And that is a poor reflection on the creators who allowed it to get so bad in the first place.
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Myrmidos, on 05 June 2014 - 02:24 PM, said:
Doesn't really help much and tells me that this community is a running joke as is the game itself. And that is a poor reflection on the creators who allowed it to get so bad in the first place.
what do you want me to defend the developers? you're barking up the wrong tree!! this is one of the hardest games around not only by design but also by accident of sorts (pgi making poor desicions sometimes)
if you can't handle it i guess you should try hawken for your robot fighting fix
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Playing 30 games and winning a little under half of them isn't that bad all things considered but I understand what you mean. Outside of finding yourself a regular team to play with, you shouldn't expect your win/loss ratio to improve that much.
On the other hand, assuming you are stuck playing pickup games I would tell you there are some usefull threads on the board about the do's and don'ts of the PUG life. Short of enumerating them all here ( most of which I don't know by heart) I'll tell you of the few things that have helped me.
Don't over specialize your build. It's good in a coordinated team environement but not when you are alone and your teamates aren't exactly reliable.
Stick with the group. Your sheep analogy is spot on. Move with the herd. It may not always bring success but in a disorganized group, that gives you a better chance of getting some support.
Let your instincts develop ( That won't happen in 30 games ) Barring someone taking command, try to read your team. Always keep an eye for friendlies on the minimap. You don't want to find yourself isolated. ( exception being , if your team just wanders into the open like cows to a field for LRMs to slaughter )
Learn from other's mistakes. That Jagermech just got slapped hard when he crested that ridgeline? Don't go over to see who did it. Or if you really have to, take another route.
The PUG life isn't easy but you will get better as long as you don't bother yourself too much with your Win/loss ratio or your K/D ratio either for that matter.
Concentrate on the basics of survival and the rest will follow in time.
On the other hand, assuming you are stuck playing pickup games I would tell you there are some usefull threads on the board about the do's and don'ts of the PUG life. Short of enumerating them all here ( most of which I don't know by heart) I'll tell you of the few things that have helped me.
Don't over specialize your build. It's good in a coordinated team environement but not when you are alone and your teamates aren't exactly reliable.
Stick with the group. Your sheep analogy is spot on. Move with the herd. It may not always bring success but in a disorganized group, that gives you a better chance of getting some support.
Let your instincts develop ( That won't happen in 30 games ) Barring someone taking command, try to read your team. Always keep an eye for friendlies on the minimap. You don't want to find yourself isolated. ( exception being , if your team just wanders into the open like cows to a field for LRMs to slaughter )
Learn from other's mistakes. That Jagermech just got slapped hard when he crested that ridgeline? Don't go over to see who did it. Or if you really have to, take another route.
The PUG life isn't easy but you will get better as long as you don't bother yourself too much with your Win/loss ratio or your K/D ratio either for that matter.
Concentrate on the basics of survival and the rest will follow in time.
Edited by Bull Frog, 05 June 2014 - 02:42 PM.
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Posted 05 June 2014 - 02:44 PM
Mazzyplz, on 05 June 2014 - 02:32 PM, said:
what do you want me to defend the developers? you're barking up the wrong tree!! this is one of the hardest games around not only by design but also by accident of sorts (pgi making poor desicions sometimes)
if you can't handle it i guess you should try hawken for your robot fighting fix
if you can't handle it i guess you should try hawken for your robot fighting fix
Hawken was horrible. Absolutely horrible. And since no other true MW titles exist to compete with this sad sack of a game, I'm left with only this as my fix for 'mechs. Besides, Hawken doesn't have Clan Jade Falcon, great among the clans.
And no, I wasn't asking you to defend the developers. I understand poor decisions are made, but to not correct those mistakes after so long is laughable. I just read that the first game created by the developers of this game was denied by facebook as an app game. I mean, seriously. They fail that bad and yet try to take on an iconic title like this? Are they mad?
Bull Frog, on 05 June 2014 - 02:41 PM, said:
Playing 30 games and winning a little under half of them isn't that bad all things considered but I understand what you mean. Outside of finding yourself a regular team to play with, you shouldn't expect your win/loss ratio to improve that much.
On the other hand, assuming you are stuck playing pickup games I would tell you there are some usefull threads on the board about the do's and don'ts of the PUG life. Short of enumerating them all here ( most of which I don't know by heart) I'll tell you of the few things that have helped me.
Don't over specialize your build. It's good in a coordinated team environement but not when you are alone and your teamates aren't exactly reliable.
Stick with the group. Your sheep analogy is spot on. Move with the herd. It may not always bring success but in a disorganized group, that gives you a better chance of getting some support.
Let your instincts develop ( That won't happen in 30 games ) Barring someone taking command, try to read your team. Always keep an eye for friendlies on the minimap. You don't want to find yourself isolated. ( exception being , if your team just wanders into the open like cows to a field for LRMs to slaughter )
Learn from other's mistakes. That Jagermech just got slapped hard when he crested that ridgeline? Don't go over to see who did it. Or if you really have to, take another route.
The PUG life isn't easy but you will get better as long as you don't bother yourself too much with your Win/loss ratio or your K/D ratio either for that matter.
Concentrate on the basics of survival and the rest will follow in time.
On the other hand, assuming you are stuck playing pickup games I would tell you there are some usefull threads on the board about the do's and don'ts of the PUG life. Short of enumerating them all here ( most of which I don't know by heart) I'll tell you of the few things that have helped me.
Don't over specialize your build. It's good in a coordinated team environement but not when you are alone and your teamates aren't exactly reliable.
Stick with the group. Your sheep analogy is spot on. Move with the herd. It may not always bring success but in a disorganized group, that gives you a better chance of getting some support.
Let your instincts develop ( That won't happen in 30 games ) Barring someone taking command, try to read your team. Always keep an eye for friendlies on the minimap. You don't want to find yourself isolated. ( exception being , if your team just wanders into the open like cows to a field for LRMs to slaughter )
Learn from other's mistakes. That Jagermech just got slapped hard when he crested that ridgeline? Don't go over to see who did it. Or if you really have to, take another route.
The PUG life isn't easy but you will get better as long as you don't bother yourself too much with your Win/loss ratio or your K/D ratio either for that matter.
Concentrate on the basics of survival and the rest will follow in time.
This is useful, thank you. But I'm finding more and more that I'm being stuck with ineptitude and incompetence more and more with each passing match.
I just got team killed by some joker who steps in front of my barrage of auto cannon fire, then proceeds to kill me because he got shot in the back.
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Posted 05 June 2014 - 02:57 PM
Myrmidos, on 05 June 2014 - 02:44 PM, said:
Hawken was horrible. Absolutely horrible. And since no other true MW titles exist to compete with this sad sack of a game, I'm left with only this as my fix for 'mechs. Besides, Hawken doesn't have Clan Jade Falcon, great among the clans.
And no, I wasn't asking you to defend the developers. I understand poor decisions are made, but to not correct those mistakes after so long is laughable. I just read that the first game created by the developers of this game was denied by facebook as an app game. I mean, seriously. They fail that bad and yet try to take on an iconic title like this? Are they mad?
This is useful, thank you. But I'm finding more and more that I'm being stuck with ineptitude and incompetence more and more with each passing match.
I just got team killed by some joker who steps in front of my barrage of auto cannon fire, then proceeds to kill me because he got shot in the back.
Hmm, yes. I got shot in the leg by a lance mate at game start just yesterday ( said his finger slipped). Nearly crippled my blackjack in one shot. I knew then that my game would be short. Regardless, I chose to focus what little time I had on practicing my gauss sniping aim.
Starting out you WILL often be stuck with people whose... let's just say hand/eye coordination is deficient . You'll meet plenty of those who are just plain deficient but as you improve, get a few kills per match ( and avoid shooting friendlies in the back
) you will eventually leave the beginner bracket and find better help on the field.All I can say is hang in there if you like the game. I've been playing since closed beta when there was one map and five mechs and it took a long while for me to feel like I was getting better. If you concentrate on giving better than you get, win or lose, you'll find enjoyment in this game ( and the C-bills will start flowing)
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Posted 05 June 2014 - 03:02 PM
Myrmidos, on 05 June 2014 - 02:44 PM, said:
Hawken was horrible. Absolutely horrible. And since no other true MW titles exist to compete with this sad sack of a game, I'm left with only this as my fix for 'mechs. Besides, Hawken doesn't have Clan Jade Falcon, great among the clans.
And no, I wasn't asking you to defend the developers. I understand poor decisions are made, but to not correct those mistakes after so long is laughable. I just read that the first game created by the developers of this game was denied by facebook as an app game. I mean, seriously. They fail that bad and yet try to take on an iconic title like this? Are they mad?
This is useful, thank you. But I'm finding more and more that I'm being stuck with ineptitude and incompetence more and more with each passing match.
I just got team killed by some joker who steps in front of my barrage of auto cannon fire, then proceeds to kill me because he got shot in the back.
Expect stupidity. The only way out of most of it is to literally carry teams until you at least get to the point where premades are common- or better still, join premades yourself.
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Posted 05 June 2014 - 03:06 PM
wanderer, on 05 June 2014 - 03:02 PM, said:
Expect stupidity. The only way out of most of it is to literally carry teams until you at least get to the point where premades are common- or better still, join premades yourself.
This is also useful. But I don't know anyone. And all my inquiries have led me to: Sign up on this forum so we can think about letting you join. Oh wait, you're a noob. No thanks. Skilled players only. Good day.
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Posted 05 June 2014 - 03:12 PM
If you have not already done so, get on one of the TeamSpeak servers and group with some more experienced players. They can help you to position, stay alive and get kills. If you search the forums you can easily find links to them. I can say that will vastly improve your experience.
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Posted 05 June 2014 - 03:14 PM
Foxwalker, on 05 June 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:
If you have not already done so, get on one of the TeamSpeak servers and group with some more experienced players. They can help you to position, stay alive and get kills. If you search the forums you can easily find links to them. I can say that will vastly improve your experience.
Didn't think of Teamspeak. Any server in particular? Thank you.
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Posted 05 June 2014 - 03:14 PM
This isn't just related to the new player experience.
It doesn't matter how skilled you are at this game.
It doesn't matter how high of an Elo you have.
It doesn't matter if you run the meta or not.
It doesn't matter if you're in a 4man premade or not.
It doesn't matter if your team listens.
You're going to get stuck on a poor team, and you're going to get stomped. Simple as that. Granted, personal skill, running the meta, and being in a premade will definitely help give you better odds at winning the match, if one thing is certain in MWO, it's uncertainty.
I've seen some of the best players get stomped.
I've seen teams with no meta win against full on meta premades.
It's part of the overall experience that EVERYBODY deals with (good or bad), and if you can't come to acceptance with the fact that you're just simply going to have bad days of losing 10-20 matches in a row, I'd suggest a different game, because some of us who've been playing MechWarrior since birth still have bad days.
It doesn't matter how skilled you are at this game.
It doesn't matter how high of an Elo you have.
It doesn't matter if you run the meta or not.
It doesn't matter if you're in a 4man premade or not.
It doesn't matter if your team listens.
You're going to get stuck on a poor team, and you're going to get stomped. Simple as that. Granted, personal skill, running the meta, and being in a premade will definitely help give you better odds at winning the match, if one thing is certain in MWO, it's uncertainty.
I've seen some of the best players get stomped.
I've seen teams with no meta win against full on meta premades.
It's part of the overall experience that EVERYBODY deals with (good or bad), and if you can't come to acceptance with the fact that you're just simply going to have bad days of losing 10-20 matches in a row, I'd suggest a different game, because some of us who've been playing MechWarrior since birth still have bad days.
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I'm going to promote people I don't even know here but from all accounts Clan Ghost Bear : http://ghost-bear-command.com/
and Clan Nova Cat http://cncalpha.enjin.com/ seem to be noobie friendly (as long as you are willing to be trained and learn). How do you feel about joining the children of Kerensky ?
and Clan Nova Cat http://cncalpha.enjin.com/ seem to be noobie friendly (as long as you are willing to be trained and learn). How do you feel about joining the children of Kerensky ?
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Myrmidos, on 05 June 2014 - 03:06 PM, said:
This is also useful. But I don't know anyone. And all my inquiries have led me to: Sign up on this forum so we can think about letting you join. Oh wait, you're a noob. No thanks. Skilled players only. Good day.
Not a problem. Here, for Teamspeak:
voip01.n1585.hypernia.net:9992 - the No Guts No Galaxy server, which is general use.
houseliaovoice.com - the general House Liao TS- and we don't mind new players in the least.
Neither is a "unit" server, who tend to be more narrow in their standards.
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Posted 05 June 2014 - 03:17 PM
Bull Frog, on 05 June 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:
I'm going to promote people I don't even know here but from all accounts Clan Ghost Bear : http://ghost-bear-command.com/
and Clan Nova Cat http://cncalpha.enjin.com/ seem to be noobie friendly (as long as you are willing to be trained and learn). How do you feel about joining the children of Kerensky ?
and Clan Nova Cat http://cncalpha.enjin.com/ seem to be noobie friendly (as long as you are willing to be trained and learn). How do you feel about joining the children of Kerensky ?
I AM a child of Kerensky. Hence in my earlier post my comment about Clan Jade Falcon. I'd really like to join them myself but I haven't gotten a response yet.
Is there a teamspeak server that's public that I'm not aware of?
wanderer, on 05 June 2014 - 03:15 PM, said:
Not a problem. Here, for Teamspeak:
voip01.n1585.hypernia.net:9992 - the No Guts No Galaxy server, which is general use.
houseliaovoice.com - the general House Liao TS- and we don't mind new players in the least.
Neither is a "unit" server, who tend to be more narrow in their standards.
Thank you!
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