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[Grey Black]

So I've been experiencing a frame rate drop occasionally when things start to get chugging. I'm currently running a GTX660 so I highly doubt that is the case, so I'm going to list my system specs and see if someone can identify why my frame rate drops from ~60fps down to ~10fps every so often.

Motherboard: MB BIOSTAR|Hi-Fi A85S3 A85X FM2 R
CPU: AMD A10-5800K APU with Radeon™ HD
GPU: GeForce GTX660
Memory: 8gb TEAM TLBD38G1600HC9DC01 RT
OS: Windows 7 64 bit

So anyone have any ideas?

[Dark DeLaurel]

It would be CPU and video, what settings are you using?

[ninjitsu]

That CPU is pretty weak, If you've got the cooling, I'd overclock it!

Here's your CPU's benchmark http://www.cpubenchm...D+A10-5800K+APU

Lower than a lot of intel i3 dual cores.

[Grey Black]

Fair enough, that's what I've been thinking. Any recommendations to upgrade on a budget? I'm used to working with AMD cores/motherboards, but will try intel.

[Lordred]

ninjitsu, on 11 June 2014 - 09:36 PM, said:

That CPU is pretty weak, If you've got the cooling, I'd overclock it!

Here's your CPU's benchmark http://www.cpubenchm...D+A10-5800K+APU

Lower than a lot of intel i3 dual cores.

That website is quite misleading on alot of things..


Grey, have you installed the bulldozer hotfix yet?

[xWiredx]

Lordred, on 12 June 2014 - 06:00 AM, said:

That website is quite misleading on alot of things..


Grey, have you installed the bulldozer hotfix yet?

In pretty much anything, and especially CPU-dependent applications, a higher-clocked i3 SB/IB/HW will perform better than that 5800K. It's 2 "real" threads and 2 hyperthreaded threads on the Intel side vs. 4 CMT threads on the AMD side. There is no reason to fanboy something if it isn't going to help the OP. A core i5 or i7 from the Haswell refresh family will unlock a lot of the performance the OP is missing from that GTX 660. I have an i7 (SB) and a 660Ti, and I never dip below 50fps. I run high settings with very high textures on DX11, and can tell I am GPU-limited. The OP is definitely CPU limited currently.

[Smokeyjedi]

Do u have an aftermarket cooler? Oc may belimited if u are using stock heatsync,

[ninjitsu]

I recently switched off of AMD because of their weak cores. I've been an AMD fanboy for 15 years but I really hate their new core design. In the real world, Intel is pwning them right now.

Personally what I would do is get on to a z97 intel board and then buy the best processor you can afford. A z97 board will give you a good amount of upgrade-ability because they support the upcoming gen5 intel chips.

[Lordred]

xWiredx, on 12 June 2014 - 07:14 AM, said:

There is no reason to fanboy something if it isn't going to help the OP.

Not fanboying, I am asking a legitimate question. Does the OP have the hotfix installed or not? Win 7 will assign workloads to the bulldozer/piledriver cpus in funny ways without it.

The hotfixs are not automaticly installed through the windows updater. You must install them manually.

Edited by Lordred, 12 June 2014 - 11:04 AM.

[Shamous13]

Lordred, on 12 June 2014 - 11:02 AM, said:

Not fanboying, I am asking a legitimate question. Does the OP have the hotfix installed or not? Win 7 will assign workloads to the bulldozer/piledriver cpus in funny ways without it.

The hotfixs are not automaticly installed through the windows updater. You must install them manually.

can you post a link to the hotfix please, just interested in reading about the issue your talking about here.

Op see this thread a few things their may help you out

Edited by Shamous13, 12 June 2014 - 11:29 AM.

[xWiredx]

From what I've read, switching to Windows 8 has a better effect than hotfixing Windows 7. Just a thought if you're really trying to get the most from your current chip, OP. This is not limited to AMD users, either. Windows 8 gaming performance is better pretty much across the board. My next build this fall will definitely be including that.

[Lordred]

Shamous13, on 12 June 2014 - 11:11 AM, said:

can you post a link to the hotfix please

Replying from my phone, will do once home.

[ninjitsu]

Lordred, on 12 June 2014 - 11:02 AM, said:

Not fanboying, I am asking a legitimate question. Does the OP have the hotfix installed or not? Win 7 will assign workloads to the bulldozer/piledriver cpus in funny ways without it.

The hotfixs are not automaticly installed through the windows updater. You must install them manually.

He doesn't have a bulldozer chip...It's a Trinity based chip.

[Lordred]

ninjitsu, on 12 June 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

He doesn't have a bulldozer chip...It's a Trinity based chip.

Trinity is the code name for it. The cpu core is piledriver.

The FX X1XX are Zambezi
The FX X3XX are Vasheri

[WarGruf]

To be honest its not just the CPU.

I experiance the same thing and it has been getting worse for a few months. I have been playing since Closed Beta and back then I could manage 40Fps, medium settings, on a Wolfdale Core 2 Duo and GTX260

I currently run an FX8350 @4.7 - 5.0Ghz, on an SSD that reads and writes at 1100Mb/s along with Crossfired 7770's. 8Gig DDR3 1600Mhz / Win7 64 Pro. Maxed settings - AA.
Every other game I own is pretty much maxed out at 1080p but MWO has been degrading steadily for some reason.

Strangely enough I get the same sort of FPS in 1024x768 as I do in 1920x1080p?? The games FPS varies from 60 (Max for my monitor) to 19 somtimes and seems to bounce when looking around let alone in a firefight.

I still notice textures popping in and out, things fading in etc.. I half think that the maps details are being streamed from the MWO server and this is causing it but thats just me. I have tried all sorts of tweaks, fixes and Crytek comands in the .cfg files but to no avail.

I hope the Dev team can get an optimisation pass in sometime soon!

[ninjitsu]

Lordred, on 12 June 2014 - 03:38 PM, said:

Trinity is the code name for it. The cpu core is piledriver.

The FX X1XX are Zambezi
The FX X3XX are Vasheri

Yes, they use piledriver cores. Not bulldozer. From my understanding, piledriver fixed the issues with bulldozers and the Windows hotfix shouldn't have any effect.

[Lordred]

ninjitsu, on 12 June 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

Yes, they use piledriver cores. Not bulldozer. From my understanding, piledriver fixed the issues with bulldozers and the Windows hotfix shouldn't have any effect.

It still helps as a piledriver owner and trinity owner.

[ninjitsu]

Lordred, on 12 June 2014 - 04:04 PM, said:

It still helps as a piledriver owner and trinity owner.

I tried the hotfixes on my FX 6300 and never saw any improvements. Perhaps OP will have more luck. Are these the hotfixes you are referring to? http://www.tomshardw...s-hotfixes.html


From my experience, Intel chips run the game much better. I saw a huge performance boost going from my FX 6300 to an i5 4670k, both at 4ghz. I think the stronger Intel cores can deal with the flawed coding better, but that's just my opinion.

[Dan Nashe]

I noticed the same thing. I upgraded my monitor, went from 1080 x 768 to 1920 x 1080. Zero noticable lost FPS.

Graphics settings often don't seem to matter. I sometimes wonder if the game is failing to turn several of them off.

I hover around 25-40. Except in the cave of course.
I get 3 in the cave.
I no longer go cave.

Of course, I"m only running an
AMD FX-6100 Six-Core
10 GB DDR3
GTX650 Ti

I lose 1-5 fps every major patch. So I'll need to upgrade in about 6 months to a year to keep playing. Not sure where the performance goes, but it disappears fast.

Edited by DanNashe, 12 June 2014 - 04:25 PM.

[ninjitsu]

DanNashe, on 12 June 2014 - 04:21 PM, said:

I noticed the same thing. I upgraded my monitor, went from 1080 x 768 to 1920 x 1080. Zero noticable lost FPS.

Graphics settings often don't seem to matter. I sometimes wonder if the game is failing to turn several of them off.

I hover around 25-40. Except in the cave of course.
I get 3 in the cave.
I no longer go cave.

Of course, I"m only running an
AMD FX-6100 Six-Core
10 GB DDR3
GTX650 Ti

I lose 1-5 fps every major patch. So I'll need to upgrade in about 6 months to a year to keep playing. Not sure where the performance goes, but it disappears fast.

You've got an old bulldozer chip, the hotfixes should help you if you haven't applied them.