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[Mordin Ashe]

I love the LRMs. Visuals and yes, they also seem a bit faster to me. Which is great because in my book they should travel like 250-300 m/s, which would be exactly what they need in order to be picked at least sometimes by experienced players. Right now for IS they just plain suck on even slightly competitive level.

All visuals are great btw. Hud, that light blue is very nice. Laser colors, sounds, you name it. The Mechs themselves feel rather balanced and quirks for specific omnipods give an extra depth for Clan Mechs. Very good job!

[BLOOD WOLF]

CSHubert, on 12 June 2014 - 11:48 PM, said:

As usual I couldnt test due to connection and time issues. Thanx pgi, for totally disregarding the european playerbase

I missed it too, only got too play 2 matches. They come out the 17th, so we will have plenty of time to get familiar with them.

[Devillin]

I only had two real gripes:
1) The Timberwolf needs AMS slots on the Prime and Tertiary configuration. While I didn't notice that I didn't have AMS at first, as the other players got more comfortable with the way CLRMs worked, needing it became imperiative.

2) Why do C-LRMs have minimum ranges? WTH? That's one of the joys of using them.

[o0Marduk0o]

Devillin, on 13 June 2014 - 12:00 AM, said:

2) Why do C-LRMs have minimum ranges? WTH? That's one of the joys of using them.

They have no min range, it's just not in the game yet like they said in front of the test. Read the official communication.

[Mantis Kerensky]

I had issues to upgrade my Timber Wolf with Artemis, both Prime and S. Whenever I upgraded to Artemis and put C-LRM20 in the mech, it showed an error msg (something like "an error occured when saving your loadout") and reverted my changes

[Asmosis]

I noticed the clan ultra ac10 fired (or sounded like it did) a burst of 4 shots instead of the double tap that regular one has. any comments on how those weapons work? because at its heart that's what ac2/5 boaters have been wanting all along.

[Asmosis]

Thade, on 12 June 2014 - 11:14 AM, said:

It really does- they have more omni-pods then the mechs they released.

can you buy Omni pods separately without needing to buy the entire mech config the Omni is attached to?

[Jonathan Paine]

The rest run was amazing! Please don't nerf the clan mechs, and balance by numbers instead of artificially making clan mechs similar to inner sphere mechs. Use dropship mode for inner sphere if there is ever too few of us to drop against the clanners.

[627]

smokefield, on 12 June 2014 - 11:34 PM, said:

the clrms seem faster.

Had a match with all the missile boats from both IS and Clan and those lrms looked like traveling at the same speed, yellow ones side by side with blue ones.

[Smitti]

CSHubert, on 12 June 2014 - 11:48 PM, said:

As usual I couldnt test due to connection and time issues. Thanx pgi, for totally disregarding the european playerbase

Join the club. Least you guys have a half-decent ping.

Edited by Smittiferous, 13 June 2014 - 12:49 AM.

[Chimerahawk]

CSHubert, on 12 June 2014 - 11:48 PM, said:

As usual I couldnt test due to connection and time issues. Thanx pgi, for totally disregarding the european playerbase

In my experiences playing a few european and asia produced games, it's the same. It's also usually the same for other american-produced games. If you don't live close to their HQ, you usually get the shaft,

[ShinVector]

Asmosis, on 13 June 2014 - 12:17 AM, said:

I noticed the clan ultra ac10 fired (or sounded like it did) a burst of 4 shots instead of the double tap that regular one has. any comments on how those weapons work? because at its heart that's what ac2/5 boaters have been wanting all along.

The answers you want can be answered by smurfy. http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/
Let see if they plan to implement it for IS AC's any time soon.

[Bootsock]

CSHubert, on 12 June 2014 - 11:48 PM, said:

As usual I couldnt test due to connection and time issues. Thanx pgi, for totally disregarding the european playerbase

Come on, the test was for 12 hours...

Unless you glued to the first World Cup match, it's not like you couldn't get on to test.

[Phantom360]

Were we suppost to have the usual 50 mi c-bills to toy around with or was the public test basically a copy and paste of our main stream accounts ?.
I had to sell allot of stuff just to edit the dire wolf, but it was still fun as hell

[Ben Morgan]

Asmosis, on 13 June 2014 - 12:17 AM, said:

I noticed the clan ultra ac10 fired (or sounded like it did) a burst of 4 shots instead of the double tap that regular one has. any comments on how those weapons work? because at its heart that's what ac2/5 boaters have been wanting all along.

It's a balancing thing. PGI made C-UACs to burstfire (e.g. CUAC20 shots 5 bullets all with 4 damage (or 4 with 5 damage? Don't remember), to counter the problem of a daishi double-tapping his 2 UAC20s and hitting you with 80 damage in the same spot. Now there is reaction time after the first round hits you and you can turn your arms/torsos other stuff you would rather see dieing instead of your CT into the fireline.

Other example which made lots of fun on the Dire Wolf B: c-UAC2s seem to shot only 2 bullets (fine), but with the UAC firing mechanic you could basically always shot with them. 4 UAC2s unleash an incredible storm of metal. Also, at least it feels that way to me, C-UACs don't jamm as often as IS-UACs...

Phantom360, on 13 June 2014 - 01:11 AM, said:

Were we suppost to have the usual 50 mi c-bills to toy around with or was the public test basically a copy and paste of our main stream accounts ?.
I had to sell allot of stuff just to edit the dire wolf, but it was still fun as hell

As far as I understood the announcement it was a 100% exact copy of the live-environment with a different Game-Version and obviously clans.

Edited by Ben Morgan, 13 June 2014 - 01:28 AM.

[Knockknock]

ClaymoreReIIik, on 12 June 2014 - 10:44 PM, said:

Hi folks,

having playtested the clan mechs I feel like this thread needs at least one post with some form of criticism.

First off, I would like to point out a few things I really liked:

1. Clan ER PPCs. The implementation with splash damage hit the nail on the head. The heat added with the splash damage makes them strong, but not well boatable or overpowered. Good choice.

2. The artwork. All the Mechs look amazing, the movements are well animated and combined with the new HUD (which I consider a lot better in terms of readability) you really get the feeling of piloting "something else".

3. Changing the weapon behaviour on clan weapons took some of the raw overpoweredness they had in the tabletop away. The weapons do not feel too powerfull, better but not too strong.

Here are some things I am really concerned about and consider game breaking:

1. The limits you put on the mechlab do not go far enough. It was a neat idea to try and compensate for the power of certain modules by adding quirks. It does not work though.

The main advantage the clan mechs have over the IS mechs right now is the amount of weapon slots you can create by changing omnipods. Its not that the weapons are stronger, its not that the heatsinks are smaller. Its all that contributing to the "pay to win package" that early access clan mechs are going to be. The core problem is simply the sheer amount of weapon slots.

A possible solution would be to set a maximum weapon slot cap to the center torso section of the omnimech. A summoner Prime would have a limit of 5 weapon slots for example. Sure you can change sections, but you can only mount a maximum of 5 weapons. A nova prime would be an upside because you can mount 12 weapons (,but no 12 ER small + 4 machine guns). This would help to give the different variants a more unique "identity".

2. Pay to win if the matchmaker does not treat clan mechs differently from IS mechs. The clanmechs are by leaps and bounds better then their IS counterpart. In 12vs12 or 8vs8 settings an IS light mech will outrun his clan counterpart and therefore add more tactical flexibility, but thats it. There is absolutely no reason to use an IS medium or heavy compared to the clan lights, mediums, heavies. Hell a clan light absolutely easily outguns and outruns most IS mediums.

The only way you are going to compensate for this, is if you start using a battlevalue system where your matchmaker takes the relative (and easy to calculate) strength of the mech configuration into account as well as the (historically measured) skill of the pilot.

Do or (watch your game) die under the "Pay2win" argument. It is justified if you release clan mechs like this.

3. The "smurfy style" mechlab is still needed. Especially with the omnimechs and the pod changes the current style of mechlab escalates into an unnecessary clicking orgy. Change that please.

4. Survivability. Without adding a heat penalty when losing a side torso the clanmechs are just too hard to kill. They have the sturdiness of an IS mech running a standard engine, because lets face it:
The IS mechs that make for a playable zombie are not that strong in the first place. The real difference between most stalkers that lost their side torsos and a masakari that lost both side torsos is that the masakari killed half a team before he lost them....there is no other difference in team combat contribution after both sides are gone.

There are a lot of people in my unit who playtested some configs we came up with that are just extremely overpowered compared to what the IS can muster in the same weight. I know a lot of people might take extended breaks if clans come like this.

I am personally considering to ask for a refund on the (masakari) package I bought. I do not want to be a part of the upcoming P2W problem, the PuG games are going to turn into on tuesday.

You still got time to at least implement the max weapon amount limit...that would go a long way....

+1

[Hornviech]

I've just seen the Videos on Twitch with the Clans.

What we now need urgently is IS vs CLAN 12 vs 10 !!

That would be really fun.

[qki]

more people crying P2W. Obviously.

Granted - the clan mechs seem really good for what they are, and people that pay for them, will have exclusive access to clan tech for a while, but I found the weapons to be really well balanced - longer cooldowns, burs-fire AC, and the general change in weapon behavior does well enough to not make them direct clones of all the IS weapons with strictly superior damage/weight values, so good job PGI.

[Cord78]

I played with my Direwolf last night and I have no complaints regarding the weapon load outs. My only complaint is regarding the CT on the direwolf. It is way to easy to hit and might as well be made of paper.

Direwolf should at least last as long or longer than an atlas, instead it is dying faster than a legged light infront of a dakka firing line.

[JHackworth]

Can we get some clarification on how Clan UACs work? I know they are basically "rotary cannons" now; but do they still double-tap? If not, what's the point of jamming? If UACs don't double-tap (two quick successive rotary bursts), why bother with it at all and just use a standard AC/20 (or LBX20 with ammo option in the future)?

Thanks