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[Roadbuster]

Anavel Gato2, on 20 June 2014 - 07:04 AM, said:

For me the Nova seems an useless mech.

11 matches played with a trial Nova (solo drop):
W/L: 5/6
K/D: 19/10
dmg/match: ~400

Never played any Clan mech before.
Only used 6-8 of the lasers to prevent heat issues.

I'd say the mech is ok.

[Randall Flagg]

All flamer Prime is lulz.

[Tim East]

SKINLESS, on 03 October 2014 - 02:06 AM, said:

All flamer Prime is lulz.

Debated trying that as a troll build, but didn't want to spend all my C-bills. They take too long to come back.

[Lily from animove]

Roadbuster, on 03 October 2014 - 02:04 AM, said:

11 matches played with a trial Nova (solo drop):
W/L: 5/6
K/D: 19/10
dmg/match: ~400

Never played any Clan mech before.
Only used 6-8 of the lasers to prevent heat issues.

I'd say the mech is ok.

try a stormcrow and you laugh at the nova, because stormcrow cna do this is faster more nimble and cooler. my unskilled SC k/d 3. my Nova ones, a bit over 1 (but this includes some trollbuilds, so I guess correct numebr would be between 1.5 and 2.

W/L, SC: 1,75 Nova 1,24.

"gg eez" is all a SC has to say to a Nova.

[InspectorG]

Lily from animove, on 06 October 2014 - 12:56 AM, said:

try a stormcrow and you laugh at the nova, because stormcrow cna do this is faster more nimble and cooler. my unskilled SC k/d 3. my Nova ones, a bit over 1 (but this includes some trollbuilds, so I guess correct numebr would be between 1.5 and 2.

W/L, SC: 1,75 Nova 1,24.

"gg eez" is all a SC has to say to a Nova.

Just because crow is better doesnt mean Nova is bad.
If that were the case any mech that isnt a Twolf is bad.

Its just that, post erml nerf, Nova is the 'other' clan medium. I usually pull 400 damage 1+ kill games in them.

We will see what the Nerf Police do to the Crow and Buff Nurse does to the Nova. Time will tell.

[ExoForce]

I hate Nova (I suk with it). Zoeff dropped into my team and he did 1749 damage with it. WTF?

[Tesunie]

ExoForce, on 06 October 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

I hate Nova (I suk with it). Zoeff dropped into my team and he did 1749 damage with it. WTF?

All depends upon who's hands are at the controls. You may not have the experience, or maybe not the right skill set (playstyle) to work a Nova well. There is no problem with either case. It just may not be a mech for you is all.

[Escef]

ExoForce, on 06 October 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

I hate Nova (I suk with it). Zoeff dropped into my team and he did 1749 damage with it. WTF?

Yeah, Zoeff just clicked with that mech and shreds people's faces.

[That Dawg]

Well put "clicked with that mech"
I routinely flatten, kill or cripple with the banshee, not many others even like it.
Nova, I get battles with 700 damage once or twice a battle out of ten launches.
I get one or two less than 200, the rest fall in the 300-400 damage 1-2 kill "average"
I like it.
You just have use those big monkey arms and shoot around corners. twist like hell to spread damage, and above all, its NOT a front line, turn the battle, hey look at me, charging off alone mech.
Having sat in enough other cockpits after I die, I can clearly see mech fighters fall into three groups.
alpha alpha alpha alpha- this mech sucks it runs too hot/slow/weak/tall/wide/quirk
pretty good at weapon groups, targeting weak areas, haven't quite mastered it all, but they are close to always doing "ok"
and lastly, doesn't matter what they are in, somethings gonna die. its like Bruce Lee met the Matrix and they melted into their mech, whatever it is. Guys like that made the crappiest mechs (Nova's not one) look like the second coming prompting ME to go buy one and learn the hard lesson about using something that a pro made look easy.
The Nova may NOT be for you!!

[Lily from animove]

That Dawg, on 07 October 2014 - 03:23 AM, said:

Well put "clicked with that mech"
I routinely flatten, kill or cripple with the banshee, not many others even like it.
Nova, I get battles with 700 damage once or twice a battle out of ten launches.
I get one or two less than 200, the rest fall in the 300-400 damage 1-2 kill "average"
I like it.
You just have use those big monkey arms and shoot around corners. twist like hell to spread damage, and above all, its NOT a front line, turn the battle, hey look at me, charging off alone mech.
Having sat in enough other cockpits after I die, I can clearly see mech fighters fall into three groups.
alpha alpha alpha alpha- this mech sucks it runs too hot/slow/weak/tall/wide/quirk
pretty good at weapon groups, targeting weak areas, haven't quite mastered it all, but they are close to always doing "ok"
and lastly, doesn't matter what they are in, somethings gonna die. its like Bruce Lee met the Matrix and they melted into their mech, whatever it is. Guys like that made the crappiest mechs (Nova's not one) look like the second coming prompting ME to go buy one and learn the hard lesson about using something that a pro made look easy.
The Nova may NOT be for you!!

the problem is, category two and 3 palyers can only act like this when they face category one or two players. Once they meet palyers on their skilllevel in a mech that is not as bad as a nova, then they are done. One a 1 on 1 skill level the Nova user will have a bad time most times. Lucky for a few of us is, many pilots are casuals and so we can beat them with skill. but fact is, for the majority of palyers, the nova is a useless unplayable mech, because the amount of skill required to pilot it ptoper is beyonf the average games and even beyong slighly experienced players. I wonder if PGI could tell us if there was a Nova only pilot trying it in the challange we currently had and on which place in the medium clan list he got ranked.

InspectorG, on 06 October 2014 - 07:36 AM, said:

Just because crow is better doesnt mean Nova is bad.
If that were the case any mech that isnt a Twolf is bad.

Its just that, post erml nerf, Nova is the 'other' clan medium. I usually pull 400 damage 1+ kill games in them.

We will see what the Nerf Police do to the Crow and Buff Nurse does to the Nova. Time will tell.

So what? in hands of a skilled pilot there are no bad mechs, that just does not change the fact that there are good mediums and quite bad mediums. A mech is bad, when the average Adam can not Pilot it properly without starting to dislike it after all or is cosntantly misspiloting it. And when I try to talk to others piloting Novas, most start to hate it. A mech is considerably bad when most don't like it and can not handle it. Thats like trying to say a stick with a nail isn't a bad weapon because you killed a squirrel once with it, and then you try to conquer the USA with it.

and wow 1749 dmaage in a nova? LOL i don't think this is good piloting, because when you kill efficiently you won't need to deal that amount of damage to take down even 12 guys. So sry that match had soemthing fishy of low skilled opps not knowing how to kill something letting them getting cripple farmed for high damage. or probably some well palced arty doing massive damage ona a group hugging opponent.

Edited by Lily from animove, 07 October 2014 - 05:29 AM.

[ExoForce]

With my post I wanted to show respect for such pilots. I know its up to pilots, not mechs.



I was in Spider 5k..

Heck, Ive seen other guy in kit-fox, 1300 dmg 7 kills, normal battle.

Edited by ExoForce, 07 October 2014 - 06:58 AM.

[Escef]

ExoForce, on 07 October 2014 - 06:52 AM, said:

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Yeah, that's Zoeff in a Nova Prime. Dude's seriously scary good in that thing.

[Lily from animove]

ExoForce, on 07 October 2014 - 06:52 AM, said:

With my post I wanted to show respect for such pilots. I know its up to pilots, not mechs.



I was in Spider 5k..

Heck, Ive seen other guy in kit-fox, 1300 dmg 7 kills, normal battle.

thats epic, but hardly a showcase of how good the mech is. the opponent team is actually composed of really unsuited mechs. try o use a nova vs a team with some more decent mechs, and you will have a truly hard time. I wish I would get these opps as well xD. But all I see every day is direwolfs and timberwolfes filled with gauss.

would like to see soem video footage of how he palyes his nova to reahc these amounts of damage. because usually when i have that amount of kills in my nova I don't pull out that many damage, my opps drop dead before i cna reach such high amounts of damage. or if I try to shoot of compnents first they usually can kill me.

And I would like to know how he peforms in a Stormcrow.


and even he says, the nova is not in a good state

http://www.reddit.co...ded_curious_to/

Edited by Lily from animove, 07 October 2014 - 07:50 AM.

[Tesunie]

Lily from animove, on 07 October 2014 - 07:43 AM, said:

And I would like to know how he peforms in a Stormcrow.

The problem I think you are having here is, "the X is better".

Many of us aren't saying that the Nova is "the greatest mech around". I know I'm just saying that it's not a bad mech and it can get (even stock prime) very good results on the battlefield.

The Stormcrow is also a heavier mech than the Nova is, just like the Shadowhawk is a heavier mech than many of the other mediums it gets compared to. More weight tends to mean more equipment it can place on it's frame.

Looking at the Nova's performance for myself, I'd have to say it's a nice mech to use. It probably isn't the best mech, and it isn't going to be a mech that just anyone can pick up and use. But it isn't a useless mech either (title of thread) and it isn't that badly underperformed in comparison to other mechs, such as the Stormcrow.

When I compared the Nova to the Hunchback 4P, I feel they run fairly well, being of similar builds. If you compare the Nova to the Puma, the Nova seems better, because of weight. If we compare the Nova to the Direwolf (for an extreme case), the Direwolf is probably considered stronger/better. (Same goes for the Timberwolf).

The Nova does have a place on the battlefield. It isn't a horrible mech. Could it use a bit of love on the quirks? Possibly. I've had a lot of fun in the Nova Prime so far (as I don't actually own one yet), and for me fun is more important, but I've also been fairly successful.

If desired, I can post my overall stats of the Nova on my main and stock mech accounts. (For the record, I only consider myself of average skill.)

[That Dawg]

Lily from animove, on 07 October 2014 - 07:43 AM, said:

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Then tell us please what mechs we, rather you would like to see us play in.
I'll need your suggestions for light medium and assault.
I'd HATE to waste my time on something you would convince us is not up to snuff.

[Lily from animove]

Tesunie, on 07 October 2014 - 08:33 AM, said:

The problem I think you are having here is, "the X is better".

Many of us aren't saying that the Nova is "the greatest mech around". I know I'm just saying that it's not a bad mech and it can get (even stock prime) very good results on the battlefield.

The Stormcrow is also a heavier mech than the Nova is, just like the Shadowhawk is a heavier mech than many of the other mediums it gets compared to. More weight tends to mean more equipment it can place on it's frame.

Looking at the Nova's performance for myself, I'd have to say it's a nice mech to use. It probably isn't the best mech, and it isn't going to be a mech that just anyone can pick up and use. But it isn't a useless mech either (title of thread) and it isn't that badly underperformed in comparison to other mechs, such as the Stormcrow.

When I compared the Nova to the Hunchback 4P, I feel they run fairly well, being of similar builds. If you compare the Nova to the Puma, the Nova seems better, because of weight. If we compare the Nova to the Direwolf (for an extreme case), the Direwolf is probably considered stronger/better. (Same goes for the Timberwolf).

The Nova does have a place on the battlefield. It isn't a horrible mech. Could it use a bit of love on the quirks? Possibly. I've had a lot of fun in the Nova Prime so far (as I don't actually own one yet), and for me fun is more important, but I've also been fairly successful.

If desired, I can post my overall stats of the Nova on my main and stock mech accounts. (For the record, I only consider myself of average skill.)

well no its not X is better, as said a good pilot can even make a trashcan (no I don't mean urbie) being good. But that does not make a mech a good one as well. And Nova better as a Puma? tank those srm 24 with your nova. If that puma player has skill hes doing evil things to your nova.

That Dawg, on 07 October 2014 - 10:56 AM, said:

Then tell us please what mechs we, rather you would like to see us play in.
I'll need your suggestions for light medium and assault.
I'd HATE to waste my time on something you would convince us is not up to snuff.

It depends on your motivationa dn what you want to achieve. Wanna go big and bad in scores over all the coruse and be "the best" go Stormcrow, and Timberwolf, go Direwolf, and Raven, if it shoudl eb a clanner, kitfox. or probably the new one if it coems out.

But telling commonly Nova is a good mech or not bad is just not true because it is good in skilled peoples hand (who make every mech good), but see how many people struggle and fail with the Nova. So they are either all morons, which I doubt or the mech is just not good. In competition there is no room for inferior stuff, and Nova is inferior. IS mediums have at least speed or cna go with some cooler srm builds for the typically meta.

We can make a test dawg and team up both with the stock nova on a fresh account and go for some novastock games in the groupqueue.

The issue is, when you post superscores of some single skilled palyers, others and especially regular palyers think the mech works like that. Then they spend a lot c-bills or even MC and will very likely regret this heavily.

Edited by Lily from animove, 07 October 2014 - 11:05 AM.

[Tesunie]

Lily from animove, on 07 October 2014 - 10:57 AM, said:

well no its not X is better, as said a good pilot can even make a trashcan (no I don't mean urbie) being good. But that does not make a mech a good one as well. And Nova better as a Puma? tank those srm 24 with your nova. If that puma player has skill hes doing evil things to your nova.

You fail to get the point here. The Nova is a good mech. A very good mech. The Stormcrow may be a "better" mech by some/most people's opinion, but that does not make the Nova any "worse" of a mech.

For the most part, the Puma is considered "bad" because it's a "slow light". The Nova has jump, and can attack (in theory) at angles the Puma can't defend itself well from. Many people consider the Adder as a "bad" mech as well.

My point, overall, is that many mechs have their strengths and weaknesses. Maybe you aren't seeing the strengths of the Nova. Overall, it's been a very nice mech for me.

Edited by Tesunie, 07 October 2014 - 11:07 AM.

[Timuroslav]

Nova Prime is a beast. I would pick it over the Stormcrow just because of the sheer amount of lasers you can slam into it. Yea, it's not a front line mech.

Keep in mind that most Clan mechs go 81 kph until speed tweek until they all break 90kph.

A lot of Innersphere mechs are actually slower, than their clan counter parts. Until the engine is swapped, but even then to get a bigger engine you're losing fire power. The Nova is by no means Bad, but it does require more skill than the other Alpha Strike-clan mechs.

[Escef]

Lily from animove, on 07 October 2014 - 07:43 AM, said:

would like to see soem video footage of how he palyes his nova to reahc these amounts of damage.

He drops with a few of the NGNG guys, why don't you check the stream archives? (twitch.tv/ngngtv)

Hell, for that matter, Zoeff is infamous for "Kill Securing", and still cranking out ungodly damage numbers.

[InspectorG]

Lily from animove, on 07 October 2014 - 05:25 AM, said:

So what? in hands of a skilled pilot there are no bad mechs, that just does not change the fact that there are good mediums and quite bad mediums. A mech is bad, when the average Adam can not Pilot it properly without starting to dislike it after all or is cosntantly misspiloting it. And when I try to talk to others piloting Novas, most start to hate it. A mech is considerably bad when most don't like it and can not handle it. Thats like trying to say a stick with a nail isn't a bad weapon because you killed a squirrel once with it, and then you try to conquer the USA with it.

and wow 1749 dmaage in a nova? LOL i don't think this is good piloting, because when you kill efficiently you won't need to deal that amount of damage to take down even 12 guys. So sry that match had soemthing fishy of low skilled opps not knowing how to kill something letting them getting cripple farmed for high damage. or probably some well palced arty doing massive damage ona a group hugging opponent.

You are stating mechs are either good or bad? Are there no average mechs?

Are you saying a definition of a good mech is one button win that doesnt need a learning curve?

Stick with a nail? Vs the USA? Thats a pretty exaggerated example.

I never said i did 1749 damage. More like 400-ish. And i use uav but less arty cuz im saving for a whale.

I never claimed to be beyond a mid-level MWo player, but i can get the Nova to work for me. Is it optimal? Dunno?
But i have a hard time saying its 'bad'. An all-flamer hunchback is bad. A Nova with 6 erml is fairly decent.