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[A banana in the tailpipe]

Wolfways, on 20 June 2014 - 05:07 PM, said:

Of course there will be threads about it. It's easier to make a post than learn to play.

Just like it's easier to tell players to L2P than respect their feedback?

I know how to play son, and my feedback has focused on how a single aspect of the game is becoming dominant which is bad for any game. Using cover (when it actually works) is not the issue. ECM/modules (when you have it) is not the issue. The issue is the game is being degraded and robbed of its variety again due to excessive spam. This is my feedback about it.

Thanks for the bump.

[Sephlock]

lockwoodx, on 20 June 2014 - 05:18 PM, said:

Just like it's easier to tell players to L2P than respect their feedback?

I know how to play son, and my feedback has focused on how a single aspect of the game is becoming dominant which is bad for any game. Using cover (when it actually works) is not the issue. ECM/modules (when you have it) is not the issue. The issue is the game is being degraded and robbed of its variety again due to excessive spam. This is my feedback about it.

Thanks for the bump.

But you agree that however bad LRMs may be, poptarting is pure evil and is 100000000000000000000x worse, right? RIGHT?

[Rhaythe]

I miss the days where everyone absolutely hated ECM Ravens the way they hate LURMers and Poptarts now. Those were fun days. For us Raven pilots.

[Escef]

Saw thread title. Saw it was Locky. Knew he was going to moan and whine because people were playing the game in a manner he disapproved of.

Locky is lower than a noob or newb. He is a scrub. He makes up his own, unspoken rules about how the game should be played, and then whines when others do not abide by them. He would rather continue to suck than risk getting better at the game.

Locky, here's an idea for you: When you say you're leaving the game, do it. I don't think any of us want you back. I swear, you're like the bad ex that says they hate us, but keeps pestering us to get back together. You're freakin' psychotic.

[Wolfways]

lockwoodx, on 20 June 2014 - 05:18 PM, said:

Just like it's easier to tell players to L2P than respect their feedback?

I know how to play son, and my feedback has focused on how a single aspect of the game is becoming dominant which is bad for any game. Using cover (when it actually works) is not the issue. ECM/modules (when you have it) is not the issue. The issue is the game is being degraded and robbed of its variety again due to excessive spam. This is my feedback about it.

Thanks for the bump.

It has nothing to do with lacking a respect for feedback. I don't respect people who refuse to learn to play a game and instead complain about it.
I complain about LRM's all the time, but because they suck in direct-fire and need a big buff. But if i'm having problems overcoming something in the game i'll watch others playing (spectating/YouTube/Streams) and check the forums for advice. If others are not having a problem with something i am then it is obviously not a problem with the game, it's my problem. If i can't overcome the problem then i have to decide if it's a big enough problem that i should quit the game....assuming i can't learn to overcome it.

[Joseph Mallan]

lockwoodx, on 20 June 2014 - 05:18 PM, said:

Just like it's easier to tell players to L2P than respect their feedback?

I know how to play son, and my feedback has focused on how a single aspect of the game is becoming dominant which is bad for any game. Using cover (when it actually works) is not the issue. ECM/modules (when you have it) is not the issue. The issue is the game is being degraded and robbed of its variety again due to excessive spam. This is my feedback about it.

Thanks for the bump.

If this is true, you wouldn't be complaining LRMs are OP.

[Sephlock]

Joseph Mallan, on 20 June 2014 - 05:38 PM, said:

If this is true, you wouldn't be complaining LRMs are OP.

Shots fired.

[Deathlike]

I built a Lurm boat out of the Wolverine-7K... I could've just made it a PPC+Streak boat (meta compliant).

It's just fun trolling with it... and the only time I get killed by LRMs is simply because I made a tactical error (going into the open/location w/o good reasoning).

Seriously, LRMs are not the problem. Poor decision making is the #1 problem.

[Shabahh Kerensky]

I just don't understand why people really want LRM's to suck and screw over a legitimate and fun play style. I also don't understand why there are constantly new topics started about this. You don't even need to use the dang search bar. There is always an LRM topic on the front page all the time.

[Wolfways]

Shabahh, on 20 June 2014 - 06:01 PM, said:

I just don't understand why people really want LRM's to suck and screw over a legitimate and fun play style.

Because it isn't their preferred playstyle.

[SJ Osiris]

They said it's just a mod, but if half of these disappointed people would have just bought crysis and tried it out, they could have enjoyed a real MechWarrior game.

[Joseph Mallan]

Wolfways, on 20 June 2014 - 06:05 PM, said:

Because it isn't their preferred playstyle.

I never understand this.

Fast Lights isn't my play style, but I know my team needs them... and good pilots capable of using them as well. I don't want them nerfed cause I stink in em! Every weapon and (non farming) play style has a place in combat.

When I voice my displeasure with Pop Tarting, you will notice I only point out it isn't really mechanics compliant(TT) or often done (3-5 pilots max) in lore. Other than that it is a variant of Armored Berm Drills used by tankers. And thus a fairly valid combat tactic.

[Cion]

ohh the whine.

LRM spam, PPC spam, UAC Spam, Gauss Spam...

yeah the game is not PERFECTLY balanced. It may not be even balanced AT ALL....

Give it time and it will change. meanwhile, deal with it. we all do.

Equip things that will make the problem a LESSER problem (nothing will make it go away).

Personally, I'm putting AMS on all my mechs, trying a few double AMS with 3 tons of ammo, and it really does reduce damage.

/end rant

Peace bro, see you kin the battlefield

[Shabahh Kerensky]

Wolfways, on 20 June 2014 - 06:05 PM, said:

Because it isn't their preferred playstyle.

So screw over the people who do prefer it? Why don't we screw over brawling since it's not my favorite.

[Joseph Mallan]

Cion, on 20 June 2014 - 06:14 PM, said:

ohh the whine.

LRM spam, PPC spam, UAC Spam, Gauss Spam...

That looks like pretty fair balance. Its Spam in multiple verities!

[ApolloKaras]

lockwoodx, on 20 June 2014 - 05:18 PM, said:

Just like it's easier to tell players to L2P than respect their feedback?

I know how to play son,

Sorry I stopped there. Lock there was a thread that you had where you were trying to sell us how good a dual lb 10x hunch back was... I wish I could find that thread.

All you have to do is train LRM Cover to V, and AMS to V, only takes about 25 days - maybe sooner if you remap your attributes to Intelligence and Perception... Oh wait wrong game.


The feedback from what people are telling you is sound. Cover and AMS, that is the ONLY counter to LRM's. If you are out in the open then Gauss Rifles, PPCs, Autocannons are out of control to huh.


EDIT: http://mwomercs.com/...__fromsearch__1

found it....

Edited by Saxie, 20 June 2014 - 06:31 PM.

[Wolfways]

SJ Osiris, on 20 June 2014 - 06:11 PM, said:

They said it's just a mod, but if half of these disappointed people would have just bought crysis and tried it out, they could have enjoyed a real MechWarrior game.

My sig is there just to point out that there is another MW game. I know it won't be to everyone's taste, and i don't think it's perfect...far from it. but imo PGI could take a lot from it to improve MWO.

I'm really hoping that one day i think MWO is good enough for me to want to change my sig.

Shabahh, on 20 June 2014 - 06:16 PM, said:

So screw over the people who do prefer it? Why don't we screw over brawling since it's not my favorite.

Hey, i like brawling, and sniping, and LRM's, and....

[East Indy]

Half-ton ammo stores are an open invitation for 90% of 'Mechs to carry AMS.

Otherwise, it's weight that's multiplying the weapon beyond reasonable numbers on one hand and making teams slow, predictable targets on the other. Bring in 3s and then we can reassess.

[Kiiyor]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 20 June 2014 - 09:47 AM, said:

Jesus christmas, throw on an AMS with AMS Overload and AMS Range if you are having such a hard time.

AMS is brutally effective against Clan LRMs.

PGI literally has given you AMS, ECM and Radar Deprivation as crutches. If you are still dying to LRMs, take a look in the mirror.

I have yet to die to LRMs once.



Cover is possible on all maps. It just depends on where you fight. And here is a tip, Clan LRMs currently have the same 180m minimum range as IS LRMs. I know, your mind is blown.

WELL SAID! Yelling neccessary.

The only times i've died to LRMS was when I was either doing something stupid, or when there were so many enemies shooting at me that the LRMs blowing pieces off my mech were the least of my concerns.

The majority of my mechs are bereft of AMS. I believe that out of all the things that PGI need to develop, at the top of their list should be some advanced text filtering that prevents you from whining about LRMs if you died to them without AMS equipped.

The vast majority of my deaths are to direct fire. Should we be calling for nerfs against that?

[Alexandrix]

The biggest problem with LRM's is that they can be indirectly fired without the use of any special targeting equipment.If they required a team mate using tag or narc to be indirectly fired,it wouldn't be such an issue.As it is,every mech basically comes with a free C3i computer so that any team mate can target for indirect LRM fire,just by looking at an enemy.

Edited by Alexandrix, 20 June 2014 - 07:09 PM.