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[Alexii]

SPAS 12 frag rounds are not OP. L2P!

[Wolfways]

Kay Wolf, on 23 June 2014 - 08:55 AM, said:

That's probably actually my problem right there, is that I tend to use my LRMs for what I'm supposed to use them for, close when I need to, drop back when I need to, and generally I'm right up there with my Lancemates, otherwise.

ARGH!......must...avoid.......rant............
Nope.

I think we may have just found your problem. It might not be clan mechs but your weapons.
If your ELO went up recently you will probably find that your KDR will drop as players start to know how to avoid LRM's. I still use a Catapult-C1 (2xLRM15) and it is a right PITA to use because players know how to use cover. I feel like my ELO went up just recently and i'd guess i'm slightly above mid-ELO somewhere as i don't see new players anymore but do occasionally see the well known high ELO players.

Imo if you really care about KDR you will need to stop using LRM's as they just aren't a viable weapon in anything but the lower ELO levels.
IS LRM's are very heavy and are basically 1-or-boat. Clan LRM's are much lighter and allow even 2 to still be used as "secondary" or support for your main weapons.
LRM's for softening up the enemy, direct-fire weapons for killing them.

But that is just my opinion

[Threat Doc]

So, what you're telling me is, I have to become a point-and-click twitch-bot to raise my KDR? If that's a fact, then I'm definitely going to start ignoring that number. What a load of crap, higher ELO players not using LRMs?

I'm afraid I love the BattleTech universe too much, and hate twitchers enough, that I could never become one of those. I'll stay in the lower ELO brackets if I would have to sacrifice the way I ENJOY playing the game to become what I hate.

[EyeOne]

Kay Wolf, on 24 June 2014 - 11:42 AM, said:

So, what you're telling me is, I have to become a point-and-click twitch-bot to raise my KDR? If that's a fact, then I'm definitely going to start ignoring that number. What a load of crap, higher ELO players not using LRMs?

I'm afraid I love the BattleTech universe too much, and hate twitchers enough, that I could never become one of those. I'll stay in the lower ELO brackets if I would have to sacrifice the way I ENJOY playing the game to become what I hate.

Well, yeah basically. If you watch the competitive seen they all take PPCs/AC5s, alpha then turn away. It's fast.

I care about my KD to the extent that I want to be an asset to my team. But I have zero interested in raising my ELO so I can play with those boring guys. I'm all about good tactics but it's just boring as hell up in the higher ELOs.

[AlmightyAeng]

Kay Wolf, on 24 June 2014 - 11:42 AM, said:

So, what you're telling me is, I have to become a point-and-click twitch-bot to raise my KDR? If that's a fact, then I'm definitely going to start ignoring that number. What a load of crap, higher ELO players not using LRMs?

I'm afraid I love the BattleTech universe too much, and hate twitchers enough, that I could never become one of those. I'll stay in the lower ELO brackets if I would have to sacrifice the way I ENJOY playing the game to become what I hate.

You have 2600 posts...how is the non-use of LRM's in competitive play news to you?

[Threat Doc]

Ghost Badger, on 24 June 2014 - 11:51 AM, said:

You have 2600 posts...how is the non-use of LRM's in competitive play news to you?

I guess I don't watch the competitive nonsense enough, then. Let someone else handle it. You have 2033 posts, how do you not know I'm recruiting to build up my merc unit? Same same. With 2033 posts, can you recall anything I've ever posted about the things I would like to see in this game?

There are nearly 3.4 million posts on these forums. Combined, my 2,691 posts and your 2,033 posts, 4,724 total, make up approximately one-tenth of a percent of all posts, here. Don't you think we might have missed one another somewhere, and that I would have missed, or ignored, subjects that do not interest me as much as, perhaps they should?

Edited by Kay Wolf, 24 June 2014 - 12:40 PM.

[Wolfways]

Kay Wolf, on 24 June 2014 - 11:42 AM, said:

So, what you're telling me is, I have to become a point-and-click twitch-bot to raise my KDR? If that's a fact, then I'm definitely going to start ignoring that number. What a load of crap, higher ELO players not using LRMs?

I'm afraid I love the BattleTech universe too much, and hate twitchers enough, that I could never become one of those. I'll stay in the lower ELO brackets if I would have to sacrifice the way I ENJOY playing the game to become what I hate.

Well look at it this way. Against someone who knows how to move around the map so that they barely get even targeted by LRM's (like me), even if you get a lock i'm not far from cover (no more than a couple of seconds away) and i get warning when you fire the slowest traveling missile in the game (LRM-160m/s, SRM-300m/s, AC20-500m/s). You might hit me with the first salvo (which spreads the damage all over so i'm not really bothered) and your second salvo hits the cover i retreated behind.

If you direct-fire at me you're still spreading the damage all over while i pile all my direct-fire into your ct (or close to it) because you cannot torso twist while holding the lock. You die.

LRM's are one of my favourite weapons in BT. Sadly they really suck in MWO

[Crixus316]

Kay Wolf, on 24 June 2014 - 11:42 AM, said:

So, what you're telling me is, I have to become a point-and-click twitch-bot to raise my KDR? If that's a fact, then I'm definitely going to start ignoring that number. What a load of crap, higher ELO players not using LRMs?

I'm afraid I love the BattleTech universe too much, and hate twitchers enough, that I could never become one of those. I'll stay in the lower ELO brackets if I would have to sacrifice the way I ENJOY playing the game to become what I hate.

So what you want is a game where you can sit and lob LRMs. The rest of us are suppose to provide you with targets. Your tactics are great against new and bad players. (I',m sure they appreciate having LRMs rain down on them from an unseen enemy) Eventually they either adapt or quit.

Don't cry when someone used superior tactics against your missile boat. You got spanked on Frozen City, because you allowed an entire lance to get behind you. But instead of learning, or adapting, you want PGI to nerf or remove. Develop the game YOU want.

As for recruiting to fill a merc corp, I would pass. I have played with pilots who like LRM boats, and I appreciate the cover fire they provide. But they don't start whining as soon as they get spanked. They learn, adapt, and adjust to the evolution of this game.

[Novakaine]

Fear the Stalker
Seriously do.

[Crixus316]

Novakaine, on 24 June 2014 - 02:07 PM, said:

Fear the Stalker
Seriously do.

But that's not a clan mech, only clan mechs are OP.

Seriously, I love the arguments. Guys like OP, deep into clan lore, forms his own merc unit. Comes to forum crying he cannot play anymore. I have read most of the BT novels, I must have missed the one where the IS rolls over and screams clans OP must nerf now.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mr Bigglesworth, on 24 June 2014 - 01:35 PM, said:

So what you want is a game where you can sit and lob LRMs. The rest of us are suppose to provide you with targets. Your tactics are great against new and bad players. (I',m sure they appreciate having LRMs rain down on them from an unseen enemy) Eventually they either adapt or quit.

Don't cry when someone used superior tactics against your missile boat. You got spanked on Frozen City, because you allowed an entire lance to get behind you. But instead of learning, or adapting, you want PGI to nerf or remove. Develop the game YOU want.

As for recruiting to fill a merc corp, I would pass. I have played with pilots who like LRM boats, and I appreciate the cover fire they provide. But they don't start whining as soon as they get spanked. They learn, adapt, and adjust to the evolution of this game.

Actually half(11) of you are supposed to be mopping up the wounded Kay is littering the battlefield with. Its a combat game and you refuse to think like a combatant.

Kay Wolf, on 24 June 2014 - 12:39 PM, said:

I guess I don't watch the competitive nonsense enough, then. Let someone else handle it. You have 2033 posts, how do you not know I'm recruiting to build up my merc unit? Same same. With 2033 posts, can you recall anything I've ever posted about the things I would like to see in this game?

There are nearly 3.4 million posts on these forums. Combined, my 2,691 posts and your 2,033 posts, 4,724 total, make up approximately one-tenth of a percent of all posts, here. Don't you think we might have missed one another somewhere, and that I would have missed, or ignored, subjects that do not interest me as much as, perhaps they should?

Actually... that is the first time I noticed your banner. Sorry Kay!

[Armored Yokai]

Bobby Blast, on 22 June 2014 - 06:47 PM, said:

Sorry man I just got into my stalker and rained pain down on the enemy with 1100 damage. If you think IS mech are sub par your wrong, Cataphracts, Jagers, Stalkers, PPC Spiders, and Catapults are really effective against clan mechs, not to mention the Victor Metaslayer is strong as ever. I guess what I mean to say is L2P...

Of course meta mechs are going to be strong against clans they were always
Strong and typical.

[Threat Doc]

Joseph Mallan, on 24 June 2014 - 04:49 PM, said:

Actually half(11) of you are supposed to be mopping up the wounded Kay is littering the battlefield with. Its a combat game and you refuse to think like a combatant.

Joe, you are always supportive, and I'm grateful for your good will towards me, even when I make bone-headed or angry statements.

Thank you.

I was just about to leave this conversation behind when I saw your comment.

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Actually... that is the first time I noticed your banner. Sorry Kay!

LOL, no worries. With so many negative banners and so many unit swatches going on, one could not be blamed for not looking at them all.

[Crixus316]

Joseph Mallan, on 24 June 2014 - 04:49 PM, said:

Actually half(11) of you are supposed to be mopping up the wounded Kay is littering the battlefield with. Its a combat game and you refuse to think like a combatant.

No were suppose to lock and hold targets, so the guy sitting behind the hill can lob missiles. Easy to do right. Unless you are moving full speed, torso twisting, moving in and out of cover, etc,. Lock and hold targets, this way the missile boat can protect his precious KDR.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mr Bigglesworth, on 24 June 2014 - 05:16 PM, said:

No were suppose to lock and hold targets, so the guy sitting behind the hill can lob missiles. Easy to do right. Unless you are moving full speed, torso twisting, moving in and out of cover, etc,. Lock and hold targets, this way the missile boat can protect his precious KDR.

i do lock and try to hold targets for my Fire Support. Its called teamwork, and the the side using it the most ALWAYS wins. And in my Experience as a Missile boat, You get much more Assists than Kills. Which again contributes more to team victories. Teams that Assist more Win more. So keep thinking like Rambo.

[Crixus316]

Joseph Mallan, on 24 June 2014 - 05:20 PM, said:

i do lock and try to hold targets for my Fire Support. Its called teamwork, and the the side using it the most ALWAYS wins. And in my Experience as a Missile boat, You get much more Assists than Kills. Which again contributes more to team victories. Teams that Assist more Win more. So keep thinking like Rambo.

But Rambo didn't die. He used superior tactics to win.

"i do lock and try to hold targets for my Fire Support." TRY is the key word here. Not so easy, when engaging faster mechs moving in and out of cover. Missile boats are good for engaging slow targets, new or bad players. Really good when you have LOS. Excellent when playing with a team using teamspeak. Not so good when your missile boats are firing at targets in tunnels, under bridges, or next to buildings. Or waiting in the back allowing an enemy lance to move behind them.

This thread was started by your buddy, complaining about his KDR and how he was spanked by OP clan mechs.

[VIPER2207]

Ghogiel, on 23 June 2014 - 03:26 PM, said:

Well technically we had P2W when the DS was the best mech in the game..

true, and what we now have is, technically, just P2EA (pay to early access)

[waterfowl]

Kell Commander, on 22 June 2014 - 06:58 PM, said:

My only gripe with clan anything is why the hell clan Ultra ACs shoot 4 projectiles per shot. That's horribly wrong. Otherwise, while my brawler mechs are even more useless on Alpine (which has everything to do with bringing a brawler to Alpine and nothing really with balance), as long as I'm not taking on 2 clanners at once (or if they are bad pilots I can) I generally win.

the damage from the ultras is split up between the shots ... IS ACs are better AFAIK unless I'm missing something

[ztac]

OK now I have stopped laughing about the KDR (kill death ratio, mine is pretty awful incidentally , but it is a team game after all and stats never tell the whole story about a player).

You really cant blame clan mechs can you? just an unlucky streak of being in the wrong team maybe? I have noticed that some games are fairly well balanced, most are just absurdly unbalanced thanks to the Matchmaker and I fail to see how the new upcoming system will address this.

I would say that there are more serious problems in the game than the clan mechs.

[Blackscreen]

TL;DR:

3 mechs came through the cave and focused down 3 mechs, then they focused me down, clans are OP...