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[Bhelogan]

I like both mechs, but they do play completely differently. I run mine as a direct fire support.
KFX-PRIME
UAC5 woks well as a primary weapon in this build.

[Koniving]

Redshift2k5, on 27 June 2014 - 05:06 AM, said:

That build sounds like fun, any chance of sharing the details?

When I get back. Got a new job that starts today! Woot!

It's a bit low on ammo but a Kitfox isn't gonna win a war on its own. Of course simple things can buff the ammo, such as cutting down on the UAC/2s to just one or switching up to a UAC/5 at a range cut. LB-2s are better but they weigh too much. It only uses one ton of SRM ammo but if you need more than that you're too close anyway and going to die as a priority target.

[Satan n stuff]

Mahws, on 26 June 2014 - 07:54 PM, said:

Seriously, half weight SRM make it surprisingly viable.

Weight has nothing to do with it, SRM builds work just fine on a Commando or Locust which both use heavier launchers and have less tonnage available for them. Granted you can't really run an SRM18 Commando like you could in closed beta but you can get pretty close.

[Tarriss Halcyon]

Satan n stuff, on 27 June 2014 - 05:45 AM, said:

Weight has nothing to do with it, SRM builds work just fine on a Commando or Locust which both use heavier launchers and have less tonnage available for them. Granted you can't really run an SRM18 Commando like you could in closed beta but you can get pretty close.

Despite that fact, some of us still run Streakmandos.... they're a lot of fun for chasing down light mechs.

[Cord78]

I personally do not run lights (except for a firestarter or 2 occasionally) but one of the guys in my caln runs both Ravens and kitfox. He is an absolute wrecking ball in a kitfox.

[Satan n stuff]

Tarriss Halcyon, on 27 June 2014 - 06:10 AM, said:

Despite that fact, some of us still run Streakmandos.... they're a lot of fun for chasing down light mechs.

I wouldn't call that "some", it's still the #1 Commando build as far as I know. SRM builds are comparatively rare, mainly because it's hard to kill a light with SRMs. Still it can be done if you're good with them.

Of course Commandos in general are quite rare especially in high elo matches, so you're about as likely to run into a frankenbuild as you are to run into any optimized build.

Edited by Satan n stuff, 27 June 2014 - 11:00 AM.

[Chimerahawk]

RadioKies, on 27 June 2014 - 05:06 AM, said:

Strange you see it that way. I see the KitFox as a revised Raven 3L. More AMS, better weapons (clanlasers own the IS ones). The only real advantage the Raven has over the KitFox is the high mounted arm lasers like the Stalker has. Can you post your build, how is it that the KitFox has a way worse heatmanagement? The Raven has the biggest disadvantage of both mechs... dem freaking leggs are so fragile.

Having said that, I prefer the Adder because of looks

Offtopic but.. Mini direwolf! hehe

[TercieI]

Koniving, on 27 June 2014 - 05:35 AM, said:

When I get back. Got a new job that starts today! Woot!

Awesome!

[Revis Volek]

Tarriss Halcyon, on 27 June 2014 - 04:04 AM, said:

What's the point?

IT'S NOT A GODDAMN RAVEN. THAT'S THE POINT.

I love my Kit Fox, and I loathe Raven. I especially hate the 2ERLL Ravens who think that, because they have a "snipers" loadout, and ECM, that they can sit off on their own and do that, depriving the team of it's ECM.

That's all well and good, except for the arrogance attached to it. But the Kit Fox is far more versatile than that jack of all trades IS mech. Triple AMS and ECM basically makes you a portable missile shield. If you're running support gear, your assaults love you when you stay with them and keep the missiles off their backs. Other mechs love you, because you've got more firepower than a light mech should, and you protect them. Ravens are neutral to you, because they still feel that they've got some superiority... they really don't...

What you should NOT do is run the Kit Fox like an ERLL Raven. Ever. Arm hardpoints are too low-slung, even for poptarting, and I suggest that you NEVER poptart Large Lasers. You've got better ballistic weapons, and high-mounted torso ballistics in the KTF-S. You've got quarter-tonne MGs, longer-ranged lasers and SRMs, what is there that you could possibly desire?

If you want to play like an ERLL Raven, stop. Get out of the Kit Fox. Get into the ERLL Raven. Play that.

I'm pretty sure he never said he/she WANTED to run it like that, just seemed like he/she was having a hard time finding a good loadout that wasn't done better by another IS mech.

You realize this is the NEW PLAYER HELP forum? Your condescending comments and sour attitude are really not necessary and if you had ANY idea what you were talking about you would understand how viable the 3L snipers can be. In the hand of a pilot who does well with direct fire and using cover i have put up 500 dmg and multi-kill games while still being a scout for my lance and helping the LRM spammers. ECM has many roles....depends on the mech, your play style and needs of the team.

But again....this is new player help if you are not here to help GTFO.

[Koniving]

So anyway here it is. It was a very basic joke design at first. You can squeeze on more armor in game due to an in-game bug. that lets you do 9/10ths of 0.2 tons worth in armor before it counts against you, allowing you to squeeze on two or three more points than shown here. Yay for closed beta bugs that STILL haven't been fixed!

It evolved later..
Becoming this.
Then this.
Then this. (This also happens to have Urbanmech armor btw. Exactly 6 tons worth if standard; it's less weight here though due to the Ferro nature.)

Then I got bored and here's what I'm running now. Of course, if we had the Kitfox C left arm, I'd have the ECM on the right, no JJs, and the Gauss on the left.

[Koniving]

Terciel1976, on 27 June 2014 - 11:14 AM, said:

Awesome!

Yep. Shift was pretty short but on the first day I was talked to about how there are openings in management. So it sounds like I'll probably climb the ladder pretty quick. Wish it was a decent ladder to climb but meh. First a job to tide over, then a job to make decent cash while finishing college, then a career worth bothering with.

[Lostdragon]

Koniving, on 27 June 2014 - 04:46 AM, said:

I had a build with twin UAC/2, 1 ER ML, and 2 SRM-6s with a few jumpjets and plenty of ammunition alongside the ECM and triple AMS. Perfectly viable. Snipe with the UAC/2s. When things get close shotgun 'em with the SRMs. Don't like your enemies? Jump over them.

How did you do that?

UAC2 x2: 10 tons
ERML: 1 ton
SRM6 x2: 3 tons
ECM: 1 ton
AMS x3: 1.5 tons
JJ x2: 1 ton

That is 17.5 tons of equipment before ammo and a Kit Fox with no equipment and max armor only has 14.5 tons free.

Edited by Lostdragon, 27 June 2014 - 01:37 PM.

[Koniving]

Lostdragon, on 27 June 2014 - 01:35 PM, said:

How did you do that?

Liberal license. I combined several things that were slapped together in various iterations and said them as one build 'cause I was in a hurry.

Refer to this post.

[Macksheen]

I made my 3 Kit Foxes to be (basically) like IS ECM lights, but turned up to a clan-version of 11.

That's So Raven ... ECM, 3xAMS, 2xERLL, 1xERML (in ECM arm)
Going Commando ... ECM, 3xAMS, 1xERML, 2xStreak6 + ammo

My third mounted ERPPC (a la classic Spider), but I wan't happy how it performed and have been tooling it. Dunno where I'll end up. I've tried PPC + ERML + Narc ... ERLL or ERPPC + 1xStreak6 ... I've even tried 2xERML (or one TAG) and an LRM15 ... just not happy with the primarily-S version so far.

[Lostdragon]

Koniving, on 27 June 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

Liberal license. I combined several things that were slapped together in various iterations and said them as one build 'cause I was in a hurry.

Refer to this post.

I saw that post but not the specific build, so I was curious, lol. I was wondering if you were running a no armor Kit Fox. Some of your builds run less armor than I'd probably be comfortable with.

[Koniving]

Lostdragon, on 27 June 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

I saw that post but not the specific build, so I was curious, lol. I was wondering if you were running a no armor Kit Fox. Some of your builds run less armor than I'd probably be comfortable with.

It's not so much how much armor you have but where you have it. So long as PGI keeps doing bad hitbox design, it can be easily exploited to survive incredible abuse.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Tereva, on 26 June 2014 - 06:42 PM, said:

Hi all,

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me that the KitFox has the same game-play as the Raven 3L
The difference being :
* 30% less speed
* worst heat efficiency
* Jumpjet

Sure having jumpjets is nice, but I do not think they conter balance the lower speed and worse heat.

Any idea to make it more enjoyable ?

Thx

Tereva

Instead of running off into the corner where your ECM only benefits you, take your Kit Fox and actually cover your team with ECM to prevent target locks and LRM death.

I love ECM Kit Foxes because their lack of speed means they actually do their job. Just the other day, we had a Raven off "sniping" in the corner while the entire rest of the team got totally annihilated by LRM spam. We couldn't even return fire because unlike us who were stuck with the Yahoo Raven pilot off being useless, they had a Kit Fox with ECM standing right in the middle of their cluster jamming our targeting. That little Kit Fox even managed to put up respectable numbers at the end of the fight because without target lock and having to deal with LRM spam every time we showed ourselves, we never had the opportunity to fire at the Kit Fox while he plinked away at us while we were distracted.

Point being, if your going to play a Kit Fox, mount ECM, stick with the team and use your superior, medium mech level of weapons to put the hurt on distracted enemy mechs. Stick behind your main line of advance and use your own mechs for cover ducking in and out between their legs. I can almost guarantee you 3 out of 4 times that the enemy is going to be focusing on the Direwolf you are standing behind, rather than you so with a bit of skill you will have plenty of opportunity to fight and get kills.

Honestly can't wait for the Kit Fox to become available for C-bills because teams are going to love the little guy at their feet that is actually insuring they win the match or rather they will if they aren't oblivious to how important ECM is too winning a match.

[Lostdragon]

Koniving, on 27 June 2014 - 02:20 PM, said:

It's not so much how much armor you have but where you have it. So long as PGI keeps doing bad hitbox design, it can be easily exploited to survive incredible abuse.

I thought I could de-armor my side torsos on the Kit Fox like I did the Jenner but I kept getting them blown off. I tend to be pretty aggressive though.

[Koniving]

Lostdragon, on 27 June 2014 - 05:43 PM, said:

I thought I could de-armor my side torsos on the Kit Fox like I did the Jenner but I kept getting them blown off. I tend to be pretty aggressive though.

The build is a sniper, not a brawler. I might also add the Kit Fox and the Adder are both sniper lights whose designs revolve around long range engagements. The very reason they exist is to snipe.

And it's a good reason, too, for despite their size in MWO... they are supposed to both be taller and larger than the Nova which is 15 and 20 tons heavier.

What's interesting is the size of the Firemoth.

[Xoxim SC]

I personally play my Kitfox and Adder as a medium brawler. I just cower behind the assaults and heavies until everyone is hurtin real good like, then come out the wood work.