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Cathy, on 01 July 2014 - 03:25 PM, said:

No no you want some crappy game about killing zombie bears in a wood, there's only one wood map, as the rest were delayed, while other pre order zombie animals were being created.

There were white zombie rabbits, and if so many people bought them, you were going to get an exclusive brown zombie rabbit that made farting noises when you shot it, but when it got released, it was just a free brown zombie rabbit, and it burped not farted..

ring any bells

No....not really...

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Chemie, on 02 July 2014 - 04:32 AM, said:

Then PGI came and feel you have to pay $240 per year for mechs AND $10/month premium, AND pay for vanity, AND pay to create a unit (for CW)

PGI, the "All of the Above" monetization model

Hi. You can obtain all that stuff for the hefty price of ZERO dollars/euro/whatevercurrencyyouuse. Except for premium time, but that's far from mandatory.

[spectralthundr]

Tezcatli, on 01 July 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

It doesn't matter if it is. There's always going to be a someone coming to the forums to vent their rage at what they perceive as imbalance.

That's why I implied they'll try to placate people with small balance changes. I personally thing that certain aspects with the Clans are stronger, but the same could be said about certain aspects about IS builds.

Or how bout they just tell those people whining to man up and put on their big boy pants and learn to play.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

stop crying and whining ! FIGHT better

[Lykaon]

151st Light Horse Regiment, on 01 July 2014 - 01:18 PM, said:

"Here's a fun game. We'll make it fun and nice and everything, then after a while, POW!

Give us money for extra stuff or you'll get ganked all the time and your fun game goes all ******"

This is why F2P gaming is only just above the CoD respawns on the list of 'shittest gaming ideas ever'.

Ok let's see here,I am guessing this about having to wait to buy clan mechs with C-bills? so basicaly you do not feel that allowing paying customers early access is good.

Ok I can see that point except,how would you have a game developer pay to develop a game if creating a demand for product is bad?

I am sure you are not going to be paying anyone salary over there at PGI yet those guys won't work for free.

[Trauglodyte]

151st Light Horse Regiment, on 01 July 2014 - 01:18 PM, said:

"Here's a fun game. We'll make it fun and nice and everything, then after a while, POW!

Give us money for extra stuff or you'll get ganked all the time and your fun game goes all ******"

This is why F2P gaming is only just above the CoD respawns on the list of 'shittest gaming ideas ever'.

It has been an exceedingly long time since you've come to the boards to complain about something, 151. I'm so not glad that you rejoined us.

[PappySmurf]

I can name a few good free 2 play games (Startrek Online,WarThundar,StarWars,EVE,ETC,) but all these free 2 play games have a true meta behind them with missions and some good PVP some do not have great PVP but all have great PVE.

The problem with MWO is not it was a free 2 play game its the fact the DEVS went off course in there game design from true PC Mechwarrior to =(WORLD OF TANKS) game model.It does not work well for mechwarrior and as a result MWO is a boring shallow game that only the most diehard want to even stay and play very long.

This leads to a very small player base and over time the game will die and all who have invested in the game will have nothing to show for it.The devs at this point will pick out another beloved IP and run it into the ground untill the last penny is milked and move on.

PGI/IGP next game venture in the works below hahaha

[MeiSooHaityu]

FupDup, on 01 July 2014 - 01:20 PM, said:

Free 2 Play isn't necessarily a bad idea, in fact it actually has some pretty nice merits going for it. The problem is that a crapton of ****** developers and accountants don't know to make F2P games "properly."

To some extent, this is pretty accurate. Problem is, about 99%+ of games seem to do it wrong, so overall F2P games seem pretty terrible. Like Fup said, it has some nice features to the model, but most developers can't make it work properly.

A game should make you want to feel like spending money. To be happy to spend money. A F2P model shouldn't make you feel like you MUST spend money or you are left behind. That menatlity makes for a frustrated player base (like this community), and that becomes poison for games like this.

Its a tricky line to find and walk, hence why many developers fail at doing it (and hence why F2P has such a bad reputation).

[Livewyr]

Oh, 151st, you are back!


Wait. You were gone?

[Vandul]

Ive said it before.

Its Pay for Convienence (p4c), not pay to win. Nothing that affects the out come of the game is exclusively money only.

Remember folks, PGI is a business, not a social program.

[Angel of Annihilation]

151st Light Horse Regiment, on 01 July 2014 - 01:18 PM, said:

"Here's a fun game. We'll make it fun and nice and everything, then after a while, POW!

Give us money for extra stuff or you'll get ganked all the time and your fun game goes all ******"

This is why F2P gaming is only just above the CoD respawns on the list of 'shittest gaming ideas ever'.

I guess I need clarification on what requires extra money to prevent ganking?

If your taking about Clan mechs, they aren't that special. In fact my IS mechs generally outperform theTimberwolf I finally relented and bought. Heck in the general scope of the game (ie. the real conditions that exist in each match), Clan weapons are generally inferior to IS weapons. FLD almost always beats DoT damage even with DoT damage is significantly higher and MWO is not a exception to this rule.

Also lets make something clear. MWO is definitely not pay-to-win. Nothing you can buy gives you an overwhelming advantage. However MWO is also not F2P either, not when new content is locked for 2-6 months UNLESS you pay for the new content. The Clan mech release schedule and its very long duration to acquire them is pretty blatantly PAY-TO-PLAY. As long as you understand that, its all ok.

[girl on fire]

VigilanceHawkwind, on 01 July 2014 - 02:13 PM, said:

You've described a sizeable portion of the every game's population.

fixed

[EyeOne]

151st Light Horse Regiment, on 01 July 2014 - 01:18 PM, said:

you'll get ganked

I haven't heard that phrase in 15 years. Thanks,

[CeeKay Boques]

WTF, a simple topic has 50,000 wall of text words, this complex topic has a two sentence OP. Looks like a stir stick!

[mogs01gt]

Vandul, on 02 July 2014 - 08:20 AM, said:

Remember folks, PGI is a business, not a social program.

Well that is part of the problem. Riot has made LoL into a social networking game. That is why the game is exploded over the past 2 years. As game play goes, it has gotten worse.

Currently MWO is at the opposite end of the spectrum.

[Oriius]

Free to play as an idea I think is a good one, however in practice greed will often lead a good idea down a bad path.

As it stands some think it pay to win others say no it's pay to not waste time or for early access etc. Where I personally fall on the issue I don't think matters.

What does matter however is the line that free to play games must walk, take a look at the "dungeon keeper" game crapped out recently, is that pay to win? or pay to not wait? would anyone say it is a good system?

I think it is fair to say at the very least mwo walks either close to the pay to win line or in some peoples minds has indeed crossed it. Either way I don't think fishing for whales is a great way of doing business.

I would like to see a shift away from hooking whales and more of a shift to cosmetic only and good will based system (think loadout as an example), but that would need a massive overhaul to pull off, so unlikely i guess.

[Beaching Betty]

k?

[Davers]

Tripzter, on 01 July 2014 - 09:58 PM, said:

Oh thank you for explaining. Yeah thats sick but dont forget theres also collectable gold mech here as well so i dont see the difference.



-You cannot play with them from game 1 unless you spend some money. Thats why i mentioned that as step 1.

-Clan mechs will be available for credits however it doesn't change the current situation. I never said you can mix them at all. I said that comparing IS weapons to C-weapons.
-At last, yes rearm and repair costs.. This game has been out for a year and lets remember what has happened.. the earnings have been nerfed by half which is the same thing... Less earnings per game.

If you started playing 4 months from now you will be able to play them from game 1.

[Davers]

PappySmurf, on 02 July 2014 - 07:43 AM, said:

I can name a few good free 2 play games (Startrek Online,WarThundar,StarWars,EVE,ETC,) but all these free 2 play games have a true meta behind them with missions and some good PVP some do not have great PVP but all have great PVE.

The problem with MWO is not it was a free 2 play game its the fact the DEVS went off course in there game design from true PC Mechwarrior to =(WORLD OF TANKS) game model.It does not work well for mechwarrior and as a result MWO is a boring shallow game that only the most diehard want to even stay and play very long.

This leads to a very small player base and over time the game will die and all who have invested in the game will have nothing to show for it.The devs at this point will pick out another beloved IP and run it into the ground untill the last penny is milked and move on.

PGI/IGP next game venture in the works below hahaha

And yet you have been here for almost 18 months.
Guess you are a diehard fan?

[Alexandrix]

Let me just start by saying I hate the free 2 play model.I always have,probably always will.The greed that companies show with It has basically pooped on gaming as a whole.

I have the money to buy a damn game if I wanted.Just give me the frikkin game,in it's entirety.Not this piece meal nickel and dimeing crap at every turn.It's really gotten out of hand with MWO and star citizen.The prices are outrageous.The price of one mech a la carte is what you pay for a full friggin game.Ridiculous.

That being said,the pay to get early access thing is fine.It's just the length of time that PGI has chosen to make this "early access" period.The total collection of clan mechs won't be available for cbills for six months.SIX MONTHS.six weeks,ok,i guess i can kind of see that.8 weeks even,since there are 8 mechs....releasing one a week until they are all out would be fine.Six months is just craziness.

There's only one reason for that.Greed.They want more people to buy the mechs with money instead because they can't wait.

Yes,I know PGI is a business and needs to make money,but,have some dignity.

Keep in mind,this is coming from someone with plenty of disposable income to waste on dumb crap like video games.I have clan mechs.I don't have to wait to get clan mechs if I don't want to.I still think the "early access" period is to long.