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[Juice-Box Hero]

I have been playing Mech-based games since 1997. The name "Kit Fox" is new to me, I know it as the Uller from MechCommander. You know, MechCommander, the game that you could play online IF you had dial-up?

I'm newish to MWO but most of it doesn't make sense to me because I'm old school and I know the way things "Should be". I purchased the clan package because the game isn't complete without is vs clan and I was looking forward to playing the "Uller".

That being said, why in the hell isn't the Uller's max speed 130+ kph?

Is the argument that the Uller with clan weapons at that speed would be OP?

If so, you might wanna nerf the Raven hero mech and the Raven 4x. I get consistently 600-700 damage and several kills each match. I was looking forward to a clan mech to do that in.

Raven H = 4mg/2streak2
Raven 4x (which is a better build) 2ml/2mg/1streak2

Please give the "Uller" the speed it's supposed to have and stop hiding behing the fear that it might be OP.

When I was playing MechCommander the Uller was the fastest/furthest jumping mech In
the game.

FYI the Timberwolf is and always will be a "MADCAT"

[Mcgral18]

The engine is hard locked, as it should be.

So, stock engine, stock speed.

[Aresye]

Jelloshot, on 08 July 2014 - 10:16 PM, said:

I have been playing Mech-based games since 1997. The name "Kit Fox" is new to me, I know it as the Uller from MechCommander.

I was looking forward to playing the "Uller".

FYI the Timberwolf is and always will be a "MADCAT"

Take off your Clan Wolf faction icon at once you pathetic excuse for a clanner!

Edited by Aresye, 08 July 2014 - 10:21 PM.

[wolf74]

The Kit Fox is the Clan name for that mech.
The Uller is the I.S. Name for that mech.
The Names for the Clan mechs are the Clan names for them.
As for the mech speed MWO is the closest to CBT than any past FPS versions of the game have been so far.

[Bishop Steiner]

Jelloshot, on 08 July 2014 - 10:16 PM, said:

I have been playing Mech-based games since 1997. The name "Kit Fox" is new to me, I know it as the Uller from MechCommander. You know, MechCommander, the game that you could play online IF you had dial-up?

I'm newish to MWO but most of it doesn't make sense to me because I'm old school and I know the way things "Should be". I purchased the clan package because the game isn't complete without is vs clan and I was looking forward to playing the "Uller".

That being said, why in the hell isn't the Uller's max speed 130+ kph?

Is the argument that the Uller with clan weapons at that speed would be OP?

If so, you might wanna nerf the Raven hero mech and the Raven 4x. I get consistently 600-700 damage and several kills each match. I was looking forward to a clan mech to do that in.

Raven H = 4mg/2streak2
Raven 4x (which is a better build) 2ml/2mg/1streak2

Please give the "Uller" the speed it's supposed to have and stop hiding behing the fear that it might be OP.

When I was playing MechCommander the Uller was the fastest/furthest jumping mech In
the game.

FYI the Timberwolf is and always will be a "MADCAT"

Um, try learning your source material.

97 kph IS the speed it's supposed to have.
http://www.sarna.net.../Kit_Fox_(Uller)

Sarna.net

It's your new best friend.

[Juice-Box Hero]

I understand the engine is stock and in turn the speed is stock but PGI determined the engine therefore determining the speed which is wrong. It is a huge injustice for the mech and I'm sure many would agree it should be faster.

As for the other reply to the post thanks for relplying but I'm sure you couldn't tell me the developer of MechCommander without googling it.

MechCommander, the ones who actually designed and named half the mechs you are piloting.

Spoiler: Micropose

Yeah, saran.net doesn't load, try posting another link.

[Bishop Steiner]

Jelloshot, on 08 July 2014 - 10:33 PM, said:

I understand the engine is stock and in turn the speed is stock but PGI determined the engine therefore determining the speed which is wrong. It is a huge injustice for the mech and I'm sure many would agree it should be faster.

As for the other reply to the post thanks for relplying but I'm sure you couldn't tell me the developer of MechCommander without googling it.

MechCommander, the ones who actually designed and named half the mechs you are piloting.

Spoiler: Micropose

No. PGI did NOT determine the speed. They used the correct speed.

Read the sarna article, and learn what you are talking about, before you make yourself look foolish.

Omni-mechs by CORRECT rules, have locked internals that cannot be changed.

And either you are a troll, or really misguided, because MechCommander designed NONE of these mechs, and in fact, the Uller/Kitfox first appeared in the 1990 hard copy TRO 3050 from FASA.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 09 July 2014 - 04:02 AM.

[Lynx7725]

Jelloshot, on 08 July 2014 - 10:36 PM, said:

MechCommander, the ones who actually designed and named half the mechs you are piloting.

Not sure if trolling, or really, really ignorant.

[Bishop Steiner]

Lynx7725, on 08 July 2014 - 10:38 PM, said:

Not sure if trolling, or really, really ignorant.

both?

[Juice-Box Hero]

At no time was I disrespectful so there is no need to impune me. Thank you for the feedback. Too bad the mech isn't up to snuff as it relates to the raven. In my day it was.

[Lynx7725]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 July 2014 - 10:39 PM, said:

both?

Might be right. It's not an exclusive relationship...

In an attempt to at least look positive about things:

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/BattleTech

Battletech predates MechCommander by more than a decade. A lot of people here cut their teeth on the original boxed set, tabletop (TT) game.. and a lot of them can probably recite the original stats of mech designs from memory.

MechCommander is a fun series (I've played it), but it also had made some compromises to mech design to make it fun. On a tactical and operational scale it played very nicely, but I won't rely on it for technical data on mech design.

[Phlinger]

Jelloshot, on 08 July 2014 - 10:36 PM, said:

I understand the engine is stock and in turn the speed is stock but PGI determined the engine therefore determining the speed which is wrong. It is a huge injustice for the mech and I'm sure many would agree it should be faster.

As for the other reply to the post thanks for relplying but I'm sure you couldn't tell me the developer of MechCommander without googling it.

MechCommander, the ones who actually designed and named half the mechs you are piloting.

Spoiler: Micropose

Yeah, saran.net doesn't load, try posting another link.

The Clan mechs speed and Prime load out is determined by what the original listed speed for them was in Battletech.

/reaches over to grab Jade Phoenix novel published in 1991, flips to back

Yep, Kit Fox, max speed 97.2

[Juice-Box Hero]

Thanks Lynx, your post helped. I will look further back as I did not know how far it predated MechCommander.

[Infine]

[OCD]
You either take off that Clan Wolf logo off your avatar, or stop calling Clan Mechs by their inner sphere names.
[/OCD]

For the mechs in game:

Clan name - IS name
Adder - Puma
Kit Fox - Uller
Stormcrow - Ryoken
Nova - Black Hawk (do not confuse with Black Hawk-KU which is an IS 60ton heavy version of Nova).
Summoner - Thor
Timber Wolf - Mad Cat
Warhawk - Masakari
Dire Wolf - Daishi

There's a notable exception to the rule though (at least one known to me) - the Ebon Jaguar which is known to most clans (sans SJ who designed it) by it's IS designation Cauldron-Born.

Also some clan mechs don't have separate IS designations. Don't know why, but a wild guess is they were first encountered during later parts of the invasion (or post invasion) when the enemy was more-or-less already known (the turning point seems to be the death of Leo Showers and the subsequent battle of Luthien, since, for example, Ebon Jauar has IS designation, but Shadow Cat does not).

[Juice-Box Hero]

Thank you, now I understand Aresye's post.

[Lynx7725]

Infine, on 08 July 2014 - 10:53 PM, said:

Nova - Black Hawk (do not confuse with Black Hawk-KU which is an IS 60ton heavy version of Nova).

Slight correction. The Black Hawk-KU was the Draconis Combine's attempt to replicate the Nova. They ended up 10 tons heavier.

[Juice-Box Hero]

I guess I'll see you all in my Raven then, Good Luck.

[Carrioncrows]

My uller and I have been having a grand ol time hunting lights

currently I like

Uller-S
x4 jumpjets
x1 medium pulse
x2 Streak SRM6
x2 mguns
and ECM.

Using ECM i can usually sneak up on the enemy before they realize I am then and sink the twin streak 6's into them and medium laser.

Then keep pace with the jumpjets and streaks, or pop tart or alpha and run. In dog fights I have the mguns to carve up the holes my streaks blow into them.

The uller is a damn fine light mech.

Generally I prefer to chase bigger prey with it's 16 tons of weapons but with the above build i can easily eat IS lights alive.

[A Man In A Can]

This was the original designed by FASA. As you can see, its top speed is 97.2 kph. PGI's Kit Fox, like just about all non-champion or non-hero mechs, is directly translated from those stats. And PGI would rather not stray from this norm if they can help it.

So I'm sorry to say, but those games improperly prepared you for a more literal translation of the Kit Fox, as desired by PGI.

However, that doesn't make it a bad mech. Try playing it like the team's missile shield and I'm sure your assaults and heavies will appreciate it, as no mech can ECM and AMS boat at the same time like the Kit Fox can.

Edited by Mechwarrior Mousse, 01 August 2014 - 12:24 PM.

[MischiefSC]

It should not be faster. It should be the stock build speed, like every other clan mech.