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[BLOOD WOLF]

While I like the read in general, My example of the timberwolf was opinion, or at least can be.

I have read this a few times and Implore anyone to read the same thing. there is something wrong with it but I will leave that up to the reader to figure out.

http://www.auburn.ed...rraba/fact.html

Actually one of the best examples of Subjectivity is art, and that is why color examples are always subjective, Unless it is Objective art. just food for thought

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 11 July 2014 - 03:44 PM.

[Kaldor]

Opinion:
This game has to many balance and mechanics issues at its core to be successful long term. House of cards to use a phrase.

Fact:
Tbe above opinion has been discussed and debated to death here with very good proof that the above opinion could potentially a fact.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Kaldor, on 11 July 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

Opinion:
This game has to many balance and mechanics issues at its core to be successful long term. House of cards to use a phrase.

Fact:
Tbe above opinion has been discussed and debated to death here with very good proof that the above opinion could potentially a fact.

nice, you are playing it safe. I wonder what is long term to you? 2+,3+.4+,5+?

This game has been surviving so far with many flaws, some have been corrected some are still en route. So with core features soon to come, how will this game do worse? I am curious. Or will this game be dead before next year?

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 11 July 2014 - 03:56 PM.

[Joseph Mallan]

BLOOD WOLF, on 11 July 2014 - 03:53 PM, said:

nice, you are playing it safe. I wonder what is long term to you? 2+,3+.4+,5+?

In my opinion Long Term is none of your offered duration's.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Joseph Mallan, on 11 July 2014 - 03:54 PM, said:

In my opinion Long Term is none of your offered duration's.

so what is your opinion of long term? i asked kaldor the same thing and what would happen If the game lasted longer than you predict? certainty you would be wrong? What about the people who said this game was not going to last this long? what about them. You sparked my interest.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 11 July 2014 - 03:59 PM.

[Joseph Mallan]

BLOOD WOLF, on 11 July 2014 - 03:58 PM, said:

so what is your opinion of long term? i asked kaldor the same thing and what would happen If the game lasted longer than you predict? certainty you would be wrong? What about the people who said this game was not going to last this long? what about them. You sparked my interest.

20+

[anonymous161]

Roland, on 11 July 2014 - 02:43 PM, said:

Fact: This thread is dumb.

Yup thats a fact.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Darth Bane001, on 11 July 2014 - 03:59 PM, said:

Yup thats a fact.

that is opinion.

To be fair and It is possible to try and prove that this thread is dumb. Any thing you would use would be subjective, unless I said something Stupid, but i know better than that.

I would have to say something like Time does not move forward, in in fact there are only 5 hours in a day according to science.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 11 July 2014 - 04:05 PM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Darth Bane001, on 11 July 2014 - 03:59 PM, said:

Yup thats a fact.

As well as an opinion.

[WVAnonymous]

from the article http://en.wikipedia..../Edmund_Husserl

All subjective activities of consciousness need an ideal correlate, and objective logic (constituted noematically) as it is constituted by consciousness needs a noetic correlate (the subjective activities of consciousness).

I'm not sure OP has clearly established the nature of a fact...

Edited by WVAnonymous, 11 July 2014 - 04:09 PM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

WVAnonymous, on 11 July 2014 - 04:08 PM, said:

from the article http://en.wikipedia..../Edmund_Husserl

All subjective activities of consciousness need an ideal correlate, and objective logic (constituted noematically) as it is constituted by consciousness needs a noetic correlate (the subjective activities of consciousness).

I'm not sure OP has clearly established the nature of a fact...

Your questioning my understanding of Fact and opinion. based on what? nice that you read up on a well known philosopher and I enjoy anything and everything philosophical but I did not mix up anything.

http://plato.stanfor...ntries/husserl/

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 11 July 2014 - 04:17 PM.

[WVAnonymous]

BLOOD WOLF, on 11 July 2014 - 04:14 PM, said:

Your questioning my understanding of Fact and opinion. based on what? nice that you read up on a well known philosopher and I enjoy anything and everything philosophical but I did not mix up anything.

I didn't say you mixed up anything. I actually pulled him as being a vaguely obscure philosopher, but mostly as a related example of why my father abandoned his tenured position as a Professor of Philosophy. No philosopher will ever concede any point they disagree with, they'll just whip up a competing set of definitions. I'm also trolling a little tiny bit.

The reason all great questions remain great questions is that there are no good answers.

[BLOOD WOLF]

SORRY IN ADCANCE FOR THE LONG POST!!!


Even the objective spatio-temporal world, which represents a significant part of our everyday lifeworld, is constituted intersubjectively, says Husserl. (The same holds true for its spatio-temporal framework, consisting of objective time and space.) How so? Husserl starts (again, from a first-person viewpoint) from a “solipsistic” abstraction of the notion of a spatio-temporal object which differs from that notion in that it does not presuppose that any other subject can observe such an object from his (or her) own perspective. His question is what justifies us (i.e., each of us for him- or herself) in the assumption of an objective reality consisting of such objects, given only this “solipsistic” conception of a spatio-temporal thing (or event) as our starting point. On Husserl's view, “the crucial further step” in order to answer this question consists in disclosing the dimension that opens up when the epistemic justification, or “motivation”, of intersubjective experience, or empathy, is additionally taken into account and made explicit (Husserliana, vol. VII, p. 435).

Roughly, his argument goes as follows. In order for me to be able to put myself into someone else's shoes and simulate his (or her) perspective upon his surrounding spatio-temporal world, I cannot but assume that this world coincides with my own, at least to a large extent; although the aspects under which the other subject represents the world must be different, as they depend on his own egocentric viewpoint. Hence, I must presuppose that the spatio-temporal objects forming my own world exist independently of my subjective perspective and the particular experiences I perform; they must, in other words, be conceived of as part of an objective reality. This result fits in well with—in fact, it serves to explain—Husserl's view, already stressed in Ideas, that perceptual objects are “transcendent” in that at any given moment they display an inexhaustive number of unperceived (and largely even unexpected) features, only some of which will become manifest—will be intuitively presented—in the further course of observation.[/color]

However, according to Husserl this does not mean that the objective world thus constituted in intersubjective experience is to be regarded as completely independent of the aspects under which we represent the world. For on his view another condition for the possibility of intersubjective experience is precisely the assumption that by and large the other subject structures the world into objects in the same style I myself do. It is for this reason that Husserl can be said to adhere to a version of both “realism” and “idealism” at the same time.[/color]

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 11 July 2014 - 04:23 PM.

[anonymous161]

Joseph Mallan, on 11 July 2014 - 04:00 PM, said:

As well as an opinion.

Well here is a fact, this topic needs to be placed in K town as it's just more trolling from wolf, this has nothing to do with mwo in general.

Later.

[BLOOD WOLF]

WVAnonymous, on 11 July 2014 - 04:20 PM, said:

I didn't say you mixed up anything. I actually pulled him as being a vaguely obscure philosopher, but mostly as a related example of why my father abandoned his tenured position as a Professor of Philosophy. No philosopher will ever concede any point they disagree with, they'll just whip up a competing set of definitions. I'm also trolling a little tiny bit.

The reason all great questions remain great questions is that there are no good answers.

one thing I loved about what i have read. Is that their is a subject reality and an object reality. Question everything, above all understand why you question it.

Darth Bane001, on 11 July 2014 - 04:25 PM, said:

Well here is a fact, this topic needs to be placed in K town as it's just more trolling from wolf, this has nothing to do with mwo in general.

Later.

that is why it is in general discussions. That is still an opinion, and I am not trolling anyone.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 11 July 2014 - 04:32 PM.

[Zolaz]

Fact: it is 90+ days since CW was suppose to be here.

[Lyoto Machida]

TLBFestus, on 11 July 2014 - 03:34 PM, said:

That was just their "opinion" at the time. LOL!

Opinions don't lie...people do.

Reminds me of this shirt:

[krash27]

Oh my god and now you are trying to prove that you can disprove a persons opinion, simply hilarious.

BLOOD WOLF, on 11 July 2014 - 01:19 PM, said:

Someone said in this forum how do you disprove opinion? also there are some that think opinions are Truth. It all falls down to whether the statement is true or not. let me give some links

the state of being the case : fact : the body of real things, events, and facts : actuality often capitalized : a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality

[color=#000000]It is okay to have an opinion but..............[/color]

Also Using Subjective Examples such as food can still be proven or disproven Philosophy . relating to or of the ]nature of an object as it is known in the mind as distinct from a thing in itself.

I give links to definitions for people to be enlightened.

What is fact vs opinion? Fact refers to something that is true, and truth is what actually is, or in reality. Opinions is well statements not necessarily based on fact and therefore are not always true. Keep in mind opinions can be true but that all depends on the reasoning. Think of this as an enlightenment thread A general discussion as means to learn something you have not known.


how do you handle fact and Opinion and what does it mean to you?, Rest assured, unlike most threads I will not argue against viewpoints here, just do not personally attack me because that's when I make it my duty to respond and carry on and yes I am talking to certain individuals.

When someone asks my opinion I stated it. You are confusing this with people posting hyperbole as fact. Total different ball game there sir.

Everyone's opinion is valid.

Edited by krash27, 11 July 2014 - 04:58 PM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

krash27, on 11 July 2014 - 04:57 PM, said:

Oh my god and now you are trying to prove that you can disprove a persons opinion, simply hilarious.


When someone asks my opinion I stated it. You are confusing this with people posting hyperbole as fact. Total different ball game there sir.

Everyone's opinion is valid.

So Slavery should be brought back? It is my opinion that It was a benefit to every one.

Society was better of in the Dark ages before, and the black plague was the greatest thing next to science. that is my opinion on the matter.

Of course I can state facts about the two, and sway opinion. But If I said everyone enjoyed those times I could not have been more wrong.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 11 July 2014 - 05:07 PM.

[Joseph Mallan]

BLOOD WOLF, on 11 July 2014 - 05:02 PM, said:

So Slavery should be brought back? It is my opinion that It was a benefit to every one.

Society was better of in the Dark ages before, and the black plague was the greatest thing next to science. that is my opinion on the matter.

if that is your opinion you are entitled to have it. Now can you prove it?

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 11 July 2014 - 05:06 PM.