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[MischiefSC]

I get being frustrated about the delay -

However, I'm very grateful we got an honest ETA and an honest breakdown of why.

I'm good with that. I'll have a new map before I have a Dire Wolf

Thanks for the update.

[Gorgo7]

Thanks for the update Mr Eckman!
Thanks to Sandpit for being a great positive writer who's ego prevents him from taking anything personally!
Thanks to Kilo 40 for keeping it real!

Edited by Gorgo7, 12 July 2014 - 05:35 PM.

[ice trey]

I don't know... I'm not that enthralled about it.

I mean, a factory map seems cool, but this one looks like a bunch of recycled elements and nothing else.

I'd suggested way back when that I'd like a factory map, but I was thinking more along the lines of a sprawling mostly indoor map filled with low-ceilinged tunnels, iron forges pouring molten metal, and the surface being a veritable death trap.

Kind of what I'd read about in the Battletech Novel Operation Excalibur, or another similar example, like the mines you see in the Battletech cartoon, episode 4.

So just like how hot maps give energy boats a disadvantage, or urban maps give LRMs a disadvantage, this map would reduce the effectiveness of ranged weapons and jump jets.

From what they've shown us of the new map, it feels like a massive Cut-and-paste job. Like Crimson Straight but with the middle mountain ridge removed.

Edited by ice trey, 12 July 2014 - 06:06 PM.

[Sandpit]

Gorgo7, on 12 July 2014 - 05:34 PM, said:

Thanks for the update Mr Eckman!
Thanks to Sandpit for being a great positive writer who's ego prevents him from taking anything personally!
Thanks to Kilo 40 for keeping it real!

? Ok...

[DjPush]

So will Community warfare be launched with this new map?

[Sandpit]

DjPush, on 12 July 2014 - 08:13 PM, said:

So will Community warfare be launched with this new map?

I'm going on record and saying nope

[stjobe]

So, reading between the lines, does this mean that no maps have been worked on at all since HPG came out (in December 2013). No "almost finished" Jungle Map, or 'Mech Factory Map like we've been told before.

If that's so, then FFS PGI, stop saying your working on things when you aren't.

[Livewyr]

I think they should make a pitch black night version of Alpine with the weather from Frozen City Day, that would be so much fun!

*adds Double Heatsinks*

[Sandpit]

stjobe, on 13 July 2014 - 02:42 PM, said:

So, reading between the lines, does this mean that no maps have been worked on at all since HPG came out (in December 2013). No "almost finished" Jungle Map, or 'Mech Factory Map like we've been told before.

If that's so, then FFS PGI, stop saying your working on things when you aren't.

It means that as soon as pgi decided to work on clans EVERYTHING else got shutdown so yes

[Zanathan]

Sandpit, on 12 July 2014 - 07:50 AM, said:

Thank you for chiming in bryan. I might suggest creating more alts for current maps. That might help speed up the process

This x100.

I've been advocating this as well. Why not just update existing maps with alternative light settings (e.g. day / night / sunny / overcast / cloudy) and if possible different weather conditions (e.g. storms / foggy / mist / clear / etc) to assist with the stale list of maps.

I don't think I've ever seen PGI comment on this suggestion before and I have a feeling it's 'beneath' them - "We have to create awesome maps from scratch!"

[Sandpit]

The whole "small dev team" thing is wearing thin with some. Many within the community have experience with things like making maps
HOBBYISTS do this in days and weeks. That means non professional people in their spare time.

The statement tells me that they can sure as heck not have a hard time getting content out when they want to. It also tells me that stuff like clans is a MUCH higher priority than things like cw.
So they CAN produce content quickly when they feel it's a priority.

My question I guess is when does cw become a priority for them?

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

MischiefSC, on 11 July 2014 - 07:33 PM, said:

There's another big mech package being developed - that's where the money is and businesses need paid. So about the time everyone else can get Clan mechs, those of us with cash will be able to buy Clan Buster mech packs. I'm just curious to see if they compare to the Clan mechs the same way Clan mechs compare to IS mechs. You mark my words though, it'll happen and in that timeframe.

Which Package?

Literally the only thing they can do is a "Remaining Unseen" Pack with the Marauder, Wasp, Warhammer, ect in it. A clan Reinforcement pack with some of the remaining favorites like the Vulture and whatnot. And then there's maybe an IS reaction pack that they can do... And that's only for the current 3050 timeline, anything else really and they'll have to fastforward us to 3059ish.

If they put in an unseen pack they'd have my money in a heartbeat [sadly I missed out on the first phoenix pack... but I'm slowly getting the mechs with c-bills.] and I bought founders and the clan pack... Warhammer and Marauder are 2 of my favorite mechs, and that's about it. but I'm a huge fan of 3025 era mechs.

Back on topic with the map situation. This is good news, even if it's a 60day minimum, that means in 2 months+ well have atleast one more new map, and that doesn't mean they're not working on the other one too. So it'll be nice to have some more maps. I really hope the community mapping idea comes to pass, because honestly, community maps are one of the huge things about Mechwarrior games and the competitive scene.

[FupDup]

Flash Frame, on 13 July 2014 - 05:45 PM, said:

Which Package?

Literally the only thing they can do is a "Remaining Unseen" Pack with the Marauder, Wasp, Warhammer, ect in it. A clan Reinforcement pack with some of the remaining favorites like the Vulture and whatnot. And then there's maybe an IS reaction pack that they can do... And that's only for the current 3050 timeline, anything else really and they'll have to fastforward us to 3059ish.

If they put in an unseen pack they'd have my money in a heartbeat [sadly I missed out on the first phoenix pack... but I'm slowly getting the mechs with c-bills.] and I bought founders and the clan pack... Warhammer and Marauder are 2 of my favorite mechs, and that's about it. but I'm a huge fan of 3025 era mechs.

Rumor I've heard is that it will be a Comstar mech pack.

[Sandpit]

Flash Frame, on 13 July 2014 - 05:45 PM, said:

Which Package?

Literally the only thing they can do is a "Remaining Unseen" Pack with the Marauder, Wasp, Warhammer, ect in it. A clan Reinforcement pack with some of the remaining favorites like the Vulture and whatnot. And then there's maybe an IS reaction pack that they can do... And that's only for the current 3050 timeline, anything else really and they'll have to fastforward us to 3059ish.

If they put in an unseen pack they'd have my money in a heartbeat [sadly I missed out on the first phoenix pack... but I'm slowly getting the mechs with c-bills.] and I bought founders and the clan pack... Warhammer and Marauder are 2 of my favorite mechs, and that's about it. but I'm a huge fan of 3025 era mechs.

Back on topic with the map situation. This is good news, even if it's a 60day minimum, that means in 2 months+ well have atleast one more new map, and that doesn't mean they're not working on the other one too. So it'll be nice to have some more maps. I really hope the community mapping idea comes to pass, because honestly, community maps are one of the huge things about Mechwarrior games and the competitive scene.

uhm they can make a pack out of anything

throw together 10 new chassis and instant new buy this pack.

think about what you just said about maps.

in 2+ months
2+ months
2-12 months
we'll have 1 new map

Sorry but some don't share the opinion of that being "good" news.
That's nearly a year for ONE new map to be implemented since the last

[Alex Warden]

Green Mamba, on 12 July 2014 - 09:17 AM, said:

I thought the Jungle Map only Needed Finishing Touches 7 Months ago when they pulled everyone to get the Clan Mechs out?

surprised?

i mean, community warfare phase 1 was "nearly finished" over 1 year ago... or was it?

Edited by Alex Warden, 13 July 2014 - 06:00 PM.

[Sandpit]

Alex Warden, on 13 July 2014 - 05:57 PM, said:

surprised?

i mean, community warfare phase 1 was "nearly finished" over 1 year ago... or was it?

Pretty much

bottom line is, if they can't monetize it, it's not much of a priority to them. At least that's how it seems. They shut down production on everything for 6 months to put out the equivalent of an expansion pack (by expansion pack I mean the addition of 8 mechs)

[Sandpit]

Also I thought it was notable that it takes PGI 2-4 months to put out a new map. So by those stats, a map that was over 50% complete is still taking a minimum of 60 days to complete

stjobe, on 13 July 2014 - 02:42 PM, said:

So, reading between the lines, does this mean that no maps have been worked on at all since HPG came out (in December 2013). No "almost finished" Jungle Map, or 'Mech Factory Map like we've been told before.

If that's so, then FFS PGI, stop saying your working on things when you aren't.

[GalaxyBluestar]

Rebas Kradd, on 12 July 2014 - 08:49 AM, said:

The only reason it increased the number of people who mistrust PGI is because other people keep spreading those rumors that PGI is misusing funds. They jumped on this opportunity to again gossip about the company in an attempt to bully them into doing what they wanted.

And most of the people who spread these rumors have no factual basis to do so and are not using critical thinking. So I doubt PGI is going to be basing their actions around those people.

If anything, the problem was communication. PGI should have just come out and said "Hey, we're suspending map production while we work on the Clans". That would have cut off the rumor-mongering right from the start. Unfortunately, I can also see how simply staying quiet on the maps front delayed the public grumbling for a couple months, instead of airing it out right away.

and what has PGI done to dispel rumours and sqaush the negative brigade, hold off CW missing more seasons which they'd said it was starting whilst pushing for larger cashgrabs.

the novelty items in the shop always gets regualar updates as does the line of champion and hero mechs. there's never a bug in the cashshop and other than a skeletal private match set up UI.20 has just created more buy buttons at the cost of an half decent mechlab setup.

and all we here of new news is a map maybe here in months but the modules {purchasables in particular} will double up and become more essential to easy mode meching now than ever.

**** you wonder why people are skeptical about PGI's intentions after all these years huh?

[Sandpit]

GalaxyBluestar, on 14 July 2014 - 06:18 PM, said:

and what has PGI done to dispel rumours and sqaush the negative brigade, hold off CW missing more seasons which they'd said it was starting whilst pushing for larger cashgrabs.

the novelty items in the shop always gets regualar updates as does the line of champion and hero mechs. there's never a bug in the cashshop and other than a skeletal private match set up UI.20 has just created more buy buttons at the cost of an half decent mechlab setup.

and all we here of new news is a map maybe here in months but the modules {purchasables in particular} will double up and become more essential to easy mode meching now than ever.

**** you wonder why people are skeptical about PGI's intentions after all these years huh?

Sums it up pretty nicely. We've had one new map added.in almost a year
One
This isn't opinion. This isn't up for debate.
It is what it is
In nearly 3 years of development we have 10 unique maps.
That's it. Again, not opinion and not open.for debate.

This doesn't take into account cw and other missed deadlines.

So you expect me to believe that a multi-million dollar professional game developing company with (their own words) decades of experience can't design more than 10 maps in nearly 3 years?

Maybe my personal expectations are too high I guess

[JediPanther]

A new map? When it's in the game then I'll belive it. Not that hard to recolor a texture into "snow" or to make lightning in a map dark as sh-"night." Watch canyon network load on the drop preperation/ready screen and you'll see it glitch with "snow" before it turns into that brown-ish color it is.