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[Thrudvangar]

not even half a minute in combat and all AMS ammo (2000) is gone..

doesnt matter if i'm standing in a tunnel/ basement (HPG Manifold) or something else, this thing
fires out all the ammo within seconds.

I/WE need a fix for that. Either it should shoot down ONLY the rockets targeting me or implement a button to toggle it on/off.... Like it is right now = useless!

[Kilo 40]

hyperbole like typing detected...

[MonkeyCheese]

Enzlaved, on 13 July 2014 - 01:45 AM, said:

not even half a minute in combat and all AMS ammo (2000) is gone..

doesnt matter if i'm standing in a tunnel/ basement (HPG Manifold) or something else, this thing
fires out all the ammo within seconds.

I/WE need a fix for that. Either it should shoot down ONLY the rockets targeting me or implement a button to toggle it on/off.... Like it is right now = useless!

AMS toggle is on the to do list but we dont know when it will come.

Until then bring more AMS ammo or dont bother with the ams and save the weight for other things

[Tahribator]

It's indeed very annoying. Since there are a lot of Clan LRMs around, and they fire in streams, the AMS is able to intercept more missiles and quickly deplete its ammo.

Other than a toggle, they could also make it automatic. They can make it so that when AMS ammo is below 50%, it only shoots at missiles targeted at your mech. So you'll still get the "Team AMS' working together" to an extend, but you'd also have enough ammo to defend your mech when you're the one being focused.

Edited by Tahribator, 13 July 2014 - 01:58 AM.

[CheeseThief]

Or people could be rewarded for shooting down missiles so people take a decent amount of AMS ammo for once.

[Gneckes]

Yeah, that would be pretty cool. Couldn't be a big reward obviously, but would be nice to incentivise Teamwork.

[Mizore]

Enzlaved, on 13 July 2014 - 01:45 AM, said:

I/WE need a fix for that. Either it should shoot down ONLY the rockets targeting me or implement a button to toggle it on/off.... Like it is right now = useless!

Well... isn't that quite an egoistic thought?
It's a team game!
Every missile that is destroyed by your AMS also helps a teammate! Isn't that awesome?

And besides... the way you want AMS to work makes it really useless, because then it's always only one AMS (maximum three at the Kitfox) that's shooting at missiles = really worthless!


And like MonkeyCheese mentioned nefore, a toggle switch is on the way.

Edited by Mizore, 13 July 2014 - 02:17 AM.

[Thrudvangar]

Kilo 40, on 13 July 2014 - 01:50 AM, said:

hyperbole like typing detected...

not really.

[Thrudvangar]

Mizore, on 13 July 2014 - 02:13 AM, said:

Well... isn't that quite an egoistic thought?
It's a team game!
Every missile that is destroyed by your AMS also helps a teammate! Isn't that awesome?

And besides... the way you want AMS to work makes it really useless, because then it's always only one AMS (maximum three at the Kitfox) that's shooting at missiles = really worthless!

why is this egoistic? then the teammates should equip AMS too to help the team, most of the games i'm the only one who has AMS equiped.

i'm talking about that AMS ammo is gone within seconds, not minutes what it was before Clan Invasion.
i haven't had that problem until the Clans came out. Even after that LRM Buff a few months ago where everybody
carried like 1080+ LRMs with him my AMS was fine with only 1000 rounds. Now there are 2000 rounds are gone
and it doesn't even takes 60 seconds infight.

Tahribator, on 13 July 2014 - 01:57 AM, said:

It's indeed very annoying. Since there are a lot of Clan LRMs around, and they fire in streams, the AMS is able to intercept more missiles and quickly deplete its ammo.

Other than a toggle, they could also make it automatic. They can make it so that when AMS ammo is below 50%, it only shoots at missiles targeted at your mech. So you'll still get the "Team AMS' working together" to an extend, but you'd also have enough ammo to defend your mech when you're the one being focused.

good idea!

as i said before i'm the only one who carries AMS in like 8 of 10 games.. so I'M the teamplayer and not an egoist like someone called me before, but i'm tired of getting my ass melted by all those LRMs while my AMS ammo is gone when i need it.

[Mizore]

The reason is simple... because AMS is much more effective against Clan-LRMS (long stream of missiles => more time to shoot at the missiles), the AMS ammo is decreasing faster than ever before.

The ammo is not wasted!

But I have to agree it's annoying, that the AMS also is shooting through walls... that has to be fixed sometime.

[C E Dwyer]

Hardly useless its a team game remember, your Ams used itself up protecting others, so basically your asking for a selfish switch in a team game.

Only time such a switch might be justified is to stop your ams going off in a tunnel at missile fired outside, but that is a fail coding error/bug, which should have been fixed in close beta *face palms*

[Kilo 40]

Enzlaved, on 13 July 2014 - 02:14 AM, said:

not really.

yes really.

2000 rounds in "half a minute" and "in seconds"? I think not.

[Fiona Marshe]

I've gone from 1 ton of ammo to 1.5 tons of ammo on my main mechs. The only mech I have that *doesn't* have AMS is my Jager "Rifleman", as there are physically no slots left to mount it.

[Satan n stuff]

Tahribator, on 13 July 2014 - 01:57 AM, said:

It's indeed very annoying. Since there are a lot of Clan LRMs around, and they fire in streams, the AMS is able to intercept more missiles and quickly deplete its ammo.

I guess people really will complain about anything.

[El Bandito]

That 2000 ammo had saved many tons worth of armor, thus increasing the chance of your teammates surviving the LRM volleys. Now whether your team is taking advantage of the AMS umbrella and is doing something or not, that's up to them.

[Thrudvangar]

Kilo 40, on 13 July 2014 - 02:59 AM, said:

yes really.

2000 rounds in "half a minute" and "in seconds"? I think not.

what do you dont understand there? half a minute are 30 seconds or not?

looks like you're one of those guys who refuses to equip AMS... cause you dont even have a clue how fast those 2tons AMS Ammo are gone.

Go equip AMS, go out and fight with the pulk of your teammates and i dont even give you 1 minute in a good fight and your ams ammo is gone. Try it out before discussing something on wich you havn't got a clue about.

Edited by Enzlaved, 13 July 2014 - 03:41 AM.

[OneEyed Jack]

Mizore, on 13 July 2014 - 02:13 AM, said:

Every missile that is destroyed by your AMS also helps a teammate! Isn't that awesome?

Not remotely true. Because AMS is shooting through walls, and because it will continue to shoot at missiles that have lost lock, many of the missiles you shoot down wouldn't have hit anything, anyway. Assuming, of course, that you're not stuck with one of "those" teams that just stands around catching missiles.

[Thrudvangar]

El Bandito, on 13 July 2014 - 03:34 AM, said:

That 2000 ammo had saved many tons worth of armor, thus increasing the chance of your teammates surviving the LRM volleys. Now whether your team is taking advantage of the AMS umbrella and is doing something or not, that's up to them.

yeah maybe. but it would be nice when there are other ppl in the group who have AMS equiped.

and please you all, don't talk about teamwork in PUGs when nobody is building his mechs to be team oriented...
nobody equips AMS, the ECM mechs run straight away from the group right after beginning of the match to snipe somewhere far away... alone. Light mechs go into brawling mode against Assault mechs to do as much dmg as possible to ALL targets, Everybody with enough hardpoints only equips LRMs no matter what weight class and standing still way behind the group pushing one button without any sense and so on and so on...

i dont wanna waste MY (*egoism on*) AMS ammo to those ppl, they should equip their AMS to be a little save against LRMs.

[The Blood God]

On my catapult A1 I take 4 lrm5's and 14 tons of ammo, purpose being out ammo the ams of the other other team, it can chain fire none stop for 9 mins and doesn't over heat on not hot maps and if I loose lock over a crest I keep firing over it just to chew up your ams the sacrifice I make is no CQ weapons low accuracy and low dps my role in that mech is to soften the enemy 3/4 of games in it I get kill assists and low damage but the other 1/4 I get 4 ish kills and 600-800 damage those games make it worth it my advice is ya can never have enough ams especially if I'm on the other team in my A1, literally I recon ya'd need an atlas k with dual ams and the rest of the spare tons used for ammo to negate that A1 on a good day

[RockmachinE]

I've noticed this to. I've actually taken AMS of all my builds, many had it, but now its useless unless you pack a crap ton of ammo, which simply isn't worth the sacrifice.

It would need a toggle button. How hard can it be to do that?
Rewards for shooting down missiles would be great, but it would be very very hard to balance this unless the rewards themselves are symbolic, say 1xp for every shot down missile or similar.