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[Teralitha]

Blastkowitz, on 21 June 2012 - 08:15 AM, said:

YES!!! If you hit your own teammate not only will you get punished but there should be some means of benefit to the one you shot.

This would just create even more griefing. Shoot your teamates, trying to get them to kill you so they can get penalized? I think not. the teamkilling issue will sort itself out, there is no need for penalizing anyone.

[HeadWar]

Murphy7, on 21 June 2012 - 08:13 AM, said:

Seriously, FF I think is generally a good thing in terms of getting people to think about what they are doing, and to allow you to use one enemy mech as cover from another. The downside is the potential for griefing - getting mixed in with a bad apple who just gets their thrill from sabotaging the gameplay of others.

WoT has full damage from FF, and there is remarkably little griefing going on. I think I've seen it a handful of times in over 6000 games. (Killing someone because they are annoying as hell on comms, now that's a different matter. It's sweet, sweet, sweet when you hit their ammo rack...)

RogueFox, on 21 June 2012 - 08:14 AM, said:

FF should incur a serious C-Bill/Xp penalty. There should also be a way to remove someone who is doing it intentionally.

Friendly fire is ON, right? So there most definitely is a way to remove people who misbehave...

[Grimjax]

My only concern is griefers and sabotours in pick-up matches.

[Midian]

Friendly fire is needed and it needs to do the same amount of damage as hitting an enemy would. Removing friendly fire would remove a major part of strategy with people not really caring about where they fire and not moving into proper positions.

Also, don't the clans use live ammo even when training?(I think they do anyways) So we may as well take risks when we are actually at war :-)

[IronGoat]

if FF made for better players then why all the team killing idiots in so many other FPS games?
i support FF as its a real part of warfare. however the penalties should be so severe it should ( as in real life) give you night sweats just thinking about harming a team mate. every game with "relaxed" FF penalties just invites people, too frustrated with team, idiotic,malicious, or glory hounding,to kill and maim teammates.time and again ive played fps games with FF on but no penalties for it to speak of , and had a whole match ruined by some windowlicker who thinks its fun to sit in his teams spawn griefing or killing his teamamtes (ARMA 2 comes to mind, it can shut down a whole server unless a mod is present)

i WANT FF, but also want you to not just get spanked but nutpunched and throat kicked for doing FF damage/kills

anyone afraid of serious FF penalties is in my mind A:careless and doesnt like paying for bad behavior they display or
B: already planning on doing it to one degree or other..

as an example i cant say how many kills and matches in WOT ive lost because i had to hold my fire to avoid blue on blue.
the number is past counting LOL
NOT shooting because of teammates is a part of tactics and planning (not to mention should to a small degree reduce the effectiveness of the missle boat fans )

[Atlai]

CoffiNail, on 21 June 2012 - 08:05 AM, said:

yes FF is on, you can kill your own team if you are not careful where you are shooting.

Or you can kill your own team if you are careful where your shooting

[ScrapIron Prime]

Grimjax, on 21 June 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:

My only concern is griefers and sabotours in pick-up matches.

Exactly why it's important to make them pay a significant penalty for friendly fire. Yes, there will be greifers, but if they lose many thousands of cbills each match they shoot up their own team (or get reported for said same), then their effect will be minimal.

[Ens]

FF On, nothing else....

[Boarneges]

Friendly fire - isn't. That pretty much sums it up for me.

[CCC Dober]

Look gentlemen, a certain game called WoT has taught me 4 things in this regard:

1. Griefing/TKing will always exist either with or without friendly fire (see blocking)
2. Such behavior heavily distorts the match balance and can end a fight before it begins
3. Penalizing such behavior financially will not stop it (multi accounts)
4. Turning friendly fire off works (individually if possible) -> griefers can only try to block you

Griefers make it impossible to have a relaxed match, so we have to cut off their arms, legs and balls in order to keep them under control. Remove their means of influence and the problem is partially solved. Really, it's not rocket science we're talking here.

Anyway, as you were =)

Edited by CCC Dober, 21 June 2012 - 08:31 AM.

[Darq]

If you damage a team mate a little hologram lawyer pops up and attaches your wages, so the cost of fixing it comes out of the miscreant's pocketbook.

[Relic1701]

Friendly Fire is a must, many is the time I've lined up a shot just to have some numpty get in my way as I hit the fire button, and boy have I payed for it (so did they as it happened..they died!)

So lesson one should always be....LOOK WHERE YOU ARE FIRING GODAMMIT!

With a hefty penalty for FF & TK'ing, the only long-term outcome is better players & better communication

Edited by Relic1701, 21 June 2012 - 10:38 AM.

[Murphy7]

HeadWar, on 21 June 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:

Friendly fire is ON, right? So there most definitely is a way to remove people who misbehave...

Frontier justice.

Nevermind annoying on comms - we may be teamed up with our annoyances from the forums! Trolling and flaming will take on a whole new dimension, regardless of which side of the field you find yourselves on later.

[Prophet of Entropy]

FF on for sure. yes people miss, and some people will do it intentionaly. In WoT i killed 6-7 team mates intentionaly cause of what they were doing/how they were acting and those matched i never ended negative kills and i dont think it really changed the outcome of battles, stupid people rarely do much to help.

that being said yes there should be XP/Cbill fines for FF, and after repeated Tking people should be flagged as TKers and be allowed to be killed by team mates as though they are enemies for as many deaths as it takes to be flagged.

[Landeraxe]

Absolutely yes to FF with no reduction. If you shoot your teammates wether intentional or not, your CBills will cover the expenses.

For those who run themselves down to zero CBills to try to avoid punishment for griefing, they should be forced to pick wich of their mechs they are going to sell to make the money to cover their fees.

This way brings realism to the battlefield, with built-in measures to deal with griefers.

[Anav]

FF on, there needs to be repercussions for "spray and pray" tactics. IE. a pissed off team.

[Rot]

ScrapIron Prime, on 21 June 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:

And that's the only way it should be. Plus make sure that hits against your own team cause a penalty to XP/cbills to prevent serious munchkinry.

I agree but you know there will be several griefers out there that will make an account and do this. There just isn't a way to control this. That was what made MPBT Great. There were almost no greifers, (leggers, headers) out there. If you did it and didn't eject you were black balled from the game and no one would play with you.

In MPBT you could always leg or head and get an easy win, but people didn't do it because it wasn't honourable. How many games can say that 95% or more of the community didn't take the easy way out and fought with honour?

I hope this community is more like MPBT then CoD.

[Xmador]

Better be in there!

[CCC Dober]

@Relic
You're talking about honest mistakes and FNGs. But you really, really need to account for the malicious, backstabbing sort of players as well. It's them who constantly try to break games no matter what. If you gloss over that and 'assume' it won't be a problem, well, look to further than WoT. They actually built in a report and ban system after unending protests from the community. It's THAT bad when you play online, make no mistake. Giving people the option to turn it off is a comparatively small concession to limit the influence of griefers. Otherwise you have millions of players going broke over scratching the paintjobs of allies because a missile decided to sway wildly instead of going straight or a bullet continued to be dangerous way out of normal range. It's all realistic, but no need to cause stiff penalties.

[Xmador]

Besides, you know that griefers will be quickly identified, there will be a forum dedicated to outting them, and soon enough no one will group with them