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[FrodoBagginsYoAzz]

IceSerpent, on 21 June 2012 - 09:52 AM, said:

Why would it dissuade casuals from playing the game? If you are concerned about griefers, that problem can be easily countered by an ignore list / black list function in game - no tweaks to game mechanics are really necessary.

It would dissuade casual gamers (the vast majority) because FF on makes the game "harder", less accessible. With some exceptions most popular FTP games have FF off, there has to be a reason for this. Reasoning aside, the fact that leaving FF on would make the game different enough to cause friction.

Just so we're clear, I think it should be ON. Just playing devil's advocate for the commercial side.

[neodym]

step 1. team kill as much as you can

step 2. when you run out of c bills change your IP adress and create new account

step 3. repeat forever

[Helvetica]

Yes to FF on

Yes to Vote Kicking

end off story

[IceSerpent]

FrodoBagginsYoAzz, on 21 June 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

It would dissuade casual gamers (the vast majority) because FF on makes the game "harder", less accessible. With some exceptions most popular FTP games have FF off, there has to be a reason for this. Reasoning aside, the fact that leaving FF on would make the game different enough to cause friction.

Just so we're clear, I think it should be ON. Just playing devil's advocate for the commercial side.

Yeah, I know that you are playing devil's advocate here. I am not sure I agree with your reasoning though - without FF a simulation game (which MWO is going to be) doesn't just become easier, it also becomes much less interesting. So, lack of FF is likely to cause casuals to get bored quickly and leave.

[Monsoon]

Friendly Fire?

Hellayes!

Is there any other way to play MW? I didn't sign up for Hello Kitty Online.

[Fiachdubh]

Yes.

[Rot]

Grimjax, on 21 June 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

I'm still trying to understand why legging is not honorable. It was and always been considered honorable according to BT, especially the novels. Also, in TT campaignes where you could perma-death a pilot.

I see it as viable tactic if I'm in a light mech, and your in an Assault. Why would I aim at your torso, that just makes you stupid and most likely dead. ...I guess shooting another Mech in the rear where there is less armor is also dishonorable.

The only time honor should come into play is if you are dueling and in same weight class...even then I might question it.

It was because of the way the game was. You could kill a mech in 2 shots with almost no weapons. You would blow off a leg and it would almost stand still, wait a couple seconds and blow the other off.

[ReaperKane]

FF on!
Harsh punishment in XP and c-bills for Griefers or Teamkillers with the option of reporting and/or vote-kicking is imho the
only way. Maybe the devs could implement a record-function to identify the tk's and have a recording of it.

Edited by ReaperKane, 21 June 2012 - 10:11 AM.

[Isingdeath]

How about FF being an element of experience. As you increase past a certain "rank" FF becomes active. This would reduce the people that do it on purposes as who wants to throw away an account from abuse that they have worked a long time to build up. The pro would also be more aware of how the game is played and less likely to cause FF and newbies would not hurt their teamates just because they don't know what they are doing and go in guns a blazing.

[IceSerpent]

neodym, on 21 June 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

step 1. team kill as much as you can

step 2. when you run out of c bills change your IP adress and create new account

step 3. repeat forever

step 1. type /blacklist neodym
step 2. never end up on the same team with neodym again
step 3. play happily everafter

[starmindfr]

FF should be a good thing as we have arty & missiles swarms, it will avoid spammes commander to fire on everything without thinking first, even more if they loose credits when they hit an ally

[RG Notch]

CCC Dober, on 21 June 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

In that case you are in for a rude surprise. Plenty WoT players around here that you can ask exactly how many griefers run rampant in that game, just to name one of many. It's really one thing to assume that there are none and a completely different thing to have experience and know that there are more than enough out there to ruin any game if they decide to come in numbers. Blessings to you son. The Emperor protects.


Yes and this is exactly why an option would be nice. You don't want to suffer that kind of stupidity. Don't shoot your own leg if you can avoid it. Just think a few steps ahead please. It's like walking, you should try it. /sarcasm

No rude surprise I've played thousands (~4500) of matchs in WoT, probably got intentionally TKed less than a dozen times. I'm perfectly willing to deal with it. It's not a problem, in my personal experience, not in anyone in my guild. I can't say the trade off is worth it. Your experience may vary, but I'm sorry the amount of intentional TKing I even seen in those 4400+ matches wouldn't even be statistically significant. I believe some people are simply fear mongering and I don't want unsubstantiated fears ruing my game.

[Serpent 6]

Some of the best and total pwnes I have ever been a part of was I or someone on my drop team pops an enemies med or light mech that is standing still amongst his lance. Splash damaging his entire lance as well shutting them all down. The rest of my drop team goes in for the rape. Popping the rest of the lance one at a time to keep them shut down.
If these nay say'ers got their way on FF, that entire team that splashed each other would end up in total chaos. Not only did they lose but they also incurred penalties.
From most of the posts in here I can tell many have not played much before tbh.
I say FF with no penalty but the damage.

Edited by Serpent 6, 21 June 2012 - 10:21 AM.

[phinja]

-Round goes off, impacting his nearby team member, a fire support 'mech, the sound of twisted metal fills the cockpit.-
The team mate turns to see a newbie pilot standing there almost comically, his torso spinning in circles like an ancient theme park ride.
"Oh dang, sorry, i accidentally shot my AC 20 into your face." The young pilot said in all caps as his massive cannon reloaded with a distinct thunk.
It's cool man, thing ha-
-another round fires once more into the 'mech, jolting the more experienced pilot and causing his 'mech to reel back.-
SON OF A-

[BFalcon]

ReaperKane, on 21 June 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

FF on!
Harsh punishment in XP and c-bills for Griefers or Teamkillers with the option of reporting and/or vote-kicking is imho the
only way. Maybe the devs could implement a record-function to identify the tk's and have a recording of it.

Would be good - you need to allow for the idiots who charge in front of the already-in-flight LRMS and the like though - it would be rough for support pilots to get penalised just because some rookie or griefer decided to try and catch the LRMs and lasers on his own mech.

[Dataman]

I'd say it's pretty retarded if there are no FF

[Dozzer82]

Friendly Fire is the only true Way for such games ;D

[Zerstorer Stallin]

Just make all repairs from FF come out of the pocket of the person who caused the FF, problem solved.

[Death Mallet]

CCC Dober, on 21 June 2012 - 09:22 AM, said:

Please do tell how griefers have an impact on the game when they can't deal damage to team mates.
Sure, they can sulk and be useless, but they don't have the means to destroy, cripple or backstab their team mates.
And yes, if they do, then it is a problem.

Just to name a few they can deliberately block your movement and/or try to pin you in place, or ram you over and over again just to be annoying. Who knows what else they'll come up with within the scope of MWO. There's no end of creative ways people can come up with to ruin your enjoyment of the game, besides just shooting you.

[ReaperKane]

ReaperKane, on 21 June 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

FF on!
Harsh punishment in XP and c-bills for Griefers or Teamkillers with the option of reporting and/or vote-kicking is imho the
only way. Maybe the devs could implement a record-function to identify the tk's and have a recording of it.

... in most situations you can see on the recording that the lrms are already on their way when a nut-head tries to catch 'em. ;-)
This option was later added to WoT and the TK-Rate started to drop rapidly.