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[GalaxyBluestar]

Windsaw, on 16 July 2014 - 02:41 PM, said:

The final straw that made me purchase it was indeed the Loyalty Points. To me, they suggested that CW was imminent at that time, which at that time was not impossible. I couldn't imagine that they would balantly advertize a feature that they knew they couldn't possibly deliver. So I bought it.

this other than big shiny nostalgic mechs is why the forum flooded with overlords. the advertising and constant CW soontm updates was the misleading that has come to clans before CW {remember people harking that alot in december? now you know why} and 9 months later phoenix purchasers have felt hard done by. unlike founders this one preyed on the wallet with direct functionality promises to CW. it's why i haven't gone into clans, nobody pays for more until the original stuff is delivered and those LPs even a counter for them hasn't been delivered.

anyways happy to see at least bryan/PGI representitive with knowledge is taking some sort of responcibility for this.

we'll see what 2015 has to say.

Edited by GalaxyBluestar, 16 July 2014 - 09:52 PM.

[mirrimon]

Sandpit, on 16 July 2014 - 04:09 PM, said:

the problem with that?
that's .000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of your population

I know this is hyperbole, but still, if I took this percent of all the humans that ever lived it would be less than 1 person. In fact less than 1 atom of one person. Thats a pretty small percent.

[EvangelionUnit]

i'm so glad my only mistake was the founders pack !!

[Hellen Wheels]

Bryan Ekman, on 16 July 2014 - 06:47 AM, said:

Technically, Loyalty Points have been in the game since Closed Beta, we just haven't been able to use them yet.

News Flash, Einstein:

If you can't use them, THEY ARE NOT IN THE GAME.

And they have never been in the game.

Do you really think people are that stupid, to believe such a blatantly obvious prevarication?

Deliver what you sold.

[Sandpit]

Hellen Wheels, on 17 July 2014 - 09:50 AM, said:

News Flash, Einstein:

If you can't use them, THEY ARE NOT IN THE GAME.

And they have never been in the game.

Do you really think people are that stupid, to believe such a blatantly obvious prevarication?

Deliver what you sold.

actually, wouldn't it be more accurate to say, if we can't accumulate them, then they're not in the game? That would be like saying "Cbills are in the game but you aren't earning them yet and can't use them yet". If you can't earn them, then they are NOT "in the game"

[Reno Blade]

As if we could use LP.
What would be the difference if we had accumulated LP ?

We would have something like 4 levels worth of LP (of a total of 5 levels) already.
Does anyone really think it would be OK to start CW with a head-start on levels, just because you played the mechs last year?

And then imagine you have to pick one faction at the start and you had like 20 levels worth of LP, but all of that would be going into that first faction, because you can't "split" it and instantly max 4 factions (max lvl 5 per faction)...

[Cavendish]

Hellen Wheels, on 17 July 2014 - 09:50 AM, said:

Deliver what you sold.

Gonna make one last try at this thread.

A lot of people that are usualy really good and respected posters around here is posting that they have been cheated and I just cant understand the almost hysterical belief in that Loyality points were included in the Phoenix Package. Just like the Founder pack there were plans of introducing stuff (stuff we are still waiting for) and items. The items themselves have been delivered in both cases (all 3 cases if you want to include the Clan pack) but the planned features have not.

Since I assume that I am not the only person able to read a FAQ where it is clearly stated that Loyality points will be part of an upcomming CW, I have to ask:

Is there any posts, twitters, posters, mails, telegrams, smoke signals or omens where PGI stated that Loyality points would be included in the Phoenix packs? There must be something that this opinion is build on surely? That items/mechs which gives bonuses were included (and have been delivered, I have seen them in matches after all) is clear.

I am not trolling, I am genuinly curious at this point since most posters seem fanatical in their opinion that they have been cheated and PGI has not delivered what was sold, yet noone has yet posted any evidence to support that.

[Roadkill]

Cavendish, on 18 July 2014 - 07:47 AM, said:

Since I assume that I am not the only person able to read a FAQ where it is clearly stated that Loyality points will be part of an upcomming CW, I have to ask:

The FAQ was not posted until after the sale started, so it's not a valid counter to the advertising that clearly indicated that Phoenix Mechs would be providing a bonus to loyalty points. No one knew what loyalty points were, but they were part of the advertising. And while technically PGI didn't say that Loyalty Points would be introduced along with the Phoenix Mechs, advertising a feature that provides a bonus to Loyalty Points is at the very least strongly suggestive that Loyalty Points are being implemented.

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Is there any posts, twitters, posters, mails, telegrams, smoke signals or omens where PGI stated that Loyality points would be included in the Phoenix packs? There must be something that this opinion is build on surely? That items/mechs which gives bonuses were included (and have been delivered, I have seen them in matches after all) is clear.

So you have no problem with them advertising a feature that is useless, that they know is useless, and that they know is going to be useless for a very long time?

How would you feel if you bought a car that had a 1200-watt sounds system advertised as one of its exciting new features, but oh wait sorry it can't play music yet because there's no radio/CD/MP3 included. Hey, technically they didn't say you could play music, right? So STFU about the sound system!

Because that's exactly what PGI did with Loyalty Points and the Phoenix Mechs.

[Sandpit]

Reno Blade, on 18 July 2014 - 07:30 AM, said:

As if we could use LP.
What would be the difference if we had accumulated LP ?

We would have something like 4 levels worth of LP (of a total of 5 levels) already.
Does anyone really think it would be OK to start CW with a head-start on levels, just because you played the mechs last year?

And then imagine you have to pick one faction at the start and you had like 20 levels worth of LP, but all of that would be going into that first faction, because you can't "split" it and instantly max 4 factions (max lvl 5 per faction)...

You mean like getting a head start with having clan mechs and being able to master them before anyone else?

[Cavendish]

Roadkill, on 18 July 2014 - 08:02 AM, said:

The FAQ was not posted until after the sale started, so it's not a valid counter to the advertising that clearly indicated that Phoenix Mechs would be providing a bonus to loyalty points. No one knew what loyalty points were, but they were part of the advertising. And while technically PGI didn't say that Loyalty Points would be introduced along with the Phoenix Mechs, advertising a feature that provides a bonus to Loyalty Points is at the very least strongly suggestive that Loyalty Points are being implemented.


So you have no problem with them advertising a feature that is useless, that they know is useless, and that they know is going to be useless for a very long time?

How would you feel if you bought a car that had a 1200-watt sounds system advertised as one of its exciting new features, but oh wait sorry it can't play music yet because there's no radio/CD/MP3 included. Hey, technically they didn't say you could play music, right? So STFU about the sound system!

Because that's exactly what PGI did with Loyalty Points and the Phoenix Mechs.

Thank you for pointing out that the FAQ was not posted until after the sale started, I did not know that. I can see how someone who jumps in day 1 and reads about 10% bonus for loyality points on the mechs would expect them.

As for the car example.... to me its more that the music is playing, but I cant change channel and I dont like this sort of music.

The feature they advertised but still have not delivered... well as a Founder I have accepted a really long timeframe for getting what was envisioned. Unfortunatly this is becomming a standard in this buisness.

Edited by Cavendish, 18 July 2014 - 10:09 AM.

[TKSax]

Also at one point either on a Podcast or twitter Ekman stated that they had to have the faction part of cw in the game before the phoenix pack dropped because of the loyalty points/bonus.

[Sandpit]

I never said I was cheated. I said I'm pissed that a year later I don't have them. Big difference.
I'm also not really interested in the why of it. 9 months is long enough to conceive and deliver a human baby.
Get me ALL of what I paid for FUNCTIONALLY.

They didn't cheat me or lie about LP, they just screwed up. That's fine. **** happens. Get it done.

Complain all you want about threads like this. Doesn't matter. PGI is notorious for having selective hearing when they "listen" to what the "community wants".
3pv
Ghost heat
Not wanting big maps
Shutting down all production for 6 months. Yhat's two entire quarters. To get clans out

So those of us that want what WE paid for are letting them know we're fed up. If you had to wait to actually use your clan mechs outside of maybe private matches would you accept ANY of the replies from the people trying to shout the thread down?
I sincerely doubt it.

Just because it's not important to you doesn't mean it isn't to others

[Roadkill]

Cavendish, on 18 July 2014 - 10:04 AM, said:

As for the car example.... to me its more that the music is playing, but I cant change channel and I dont like this sort of music.

Except that...

Bryan Ekman, on 16 July 2014 - 08:54 AM, said:

Right now no one is collecting LPs and the bonus is not being applied. When LPs come online with a later CW update, bonuses and LP earning will be turned on.

The music isn't playing.

[Joseph Mallan]

Sandpit, on 17 July 2014 - 09:56 AM, said:

actually, wouldn't it be more accurate to say, if we can't accumulate them, then they're not in the game? That would be like saying "Cbills are in the game but you aren't earning them yet and can't use them yet". If you can't earn them, then they are NOT "in the game"

So loyalty points will become usable once we are playing the game and not just the combat engine!

[Malleus011]

Reno Blade, on 18 July 2014 - 07:30 AM, said:

As if we could use LP.
What would be the difference if we had accumulated LP ?

We would have something like 4 levels worth of LP (of a total of 5 levels) already.
Does anyone really think it would be OK to start CW with a head-start on levels, just because you played the mechs last year?

And then imagine you have to pick one faction at the start and you had like 20 levels worth of LP, but all of that would be going into that first faction, because you can't "split" it and instantly max 4 factions (max lvl 5 per faction)...

Yes, I think it would be OK to max out my House Steiner faction on Day 1, because I own and have heavily played SIX Phoenix (P) Mechs for at least a year (maybe longer by the time CW arrives) with their '10% Loyalty Boost' all that time. I've already paid the money and put in the drops, why shouldn't I get the rewards?

Like I said earlier, I'd be happy with a 'bone'. Maxing out the faction I had selected for the last year would be a nice bone - since by the time CW drops I'll easily have 40 hours in (P) chassis ... why make me start at zero with everyone else?

[Vassago Rain]

Malleus011, on 18 July 2014 - 12:19 PM, said:

Yes, I think it would be OK to max out my House Steiner faction on Day 1, because I own and have heavily played SIX Phoenix (P) Mechs for at least a year (maybe longer by the time CW arrives) with their '10% Loyalty Boost' all that time. I've already paid the money and put in the drops, why shouldn't I get the rewards?

Like I said earlier, I'd be happy with a 'bone'. Maxing out the faction I had selected for the last year would be a nice bone - since by the time CW drops I'll easily have 40 hours in (P) chassis ... why make me start at zero with everyone else?

It was their position at the time.

[Sandpit]

I don't hear any of the clanners complaining that they can earn xp and master their clan mechs before anyone else can.
Betcha they'd throw a fit if they couldn't earn xp until they were released for cbills. Or not earn cbills. Hey they got what they paid for right?

[Joseph Mallan]

Sandpit, on 18 July 2014 - 12:32 PM, said:

I don't hear any of the clanners complaining that they can earn xp and master their clan mechs before anyone else can.
Betcha they'd throw a fit if they couldn't earn xp until they were released for cbills. Or not earn cbills. Hey they got what they paid for right?

True but we have to save something for when we finally start playing MW:O for real. Though I do think the long time players have proven loyalty already and as we will need man power in Canon House units and Mercs, maybe PGI should start recruiting now so The Invasion can be launched in a proper fashion.

[Sandpit]

Joseph Mallan, on 18 July 2014 - 12:34 PM, said:

True but we have to save something for when we finally start playing MW:O for real. Though I do think the long time players have proven loyalty already and as we will need man power in Canon House units and Mercs, maybe PGI should start recruiting now so The Invasion can be launched in a proper fashion.

I now picture your face as being as blue as your fist if you're holding your breath lol
The clan "invasion" was and is nothing more than a new mech pack.
(That apparently took the entire company to make and 6 months plus. Ever wonder why the clan pack took all of that but PP did not?)

[Joseph Mallan]

Sandpit, on 18 July 2014 - 12:52 PM, said:

I now picture your face as being as blue as your fist if you're holding your breath lol
The clan "invasion" was and is nothing more than a new mech pack.
(That apparently took the entire company to make and 6 months plus. Ever wonder why the clan pack took all of that but PP did not?)

How'd you know???