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[Mavairo]

I wonder how many Loyalty Points I'll have when they implement them with all of the time I've spent in my phoenix variant TDR, and that I've never once switched factions.

I still believe, admittedly distantly that we'll actually get community warfare, and that loyalty points will matter...

[Joseph Mallan]

Mavairo, on 18 July 2014 - 01:09 PM, said:

I wonder how many Loyalty Points I'll have when they implement them with all of the time I've spent in my phoenix variant TDR, and that I've never once switched factions.

I still believe, admittedly distantly that we'll actually get community warfare, and that loyalty points will matter...

You should have more than I would being only a Founder I would assume.

[Mavairo]

Joseph Mallan, on 18 July 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

You should have more than I would being only a Founder I would assume.

Curious, but why didn't you go Phoenix?
Was a great value as far as mechs released in a bundle went.
The loyalty thing was just a side perk.
Also is it too late for us to get more LP from the clan mech package?

[Vassago Rain]

Mavairo, on 18 July 2014 - 01:18 PM, said:

Curious, but why didn't you go Phoenix?
Was a great value as far as mechs released in a bundle went.
The loyalty thing was just a side perk.
Also is it too late for us to get more LP from the clan mech package?

Joe was one of the smart ones. Turns out every single robot in the phoenix package was trash, except the shadowhawk.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mavairo, on 18 July 2014 - 01:18 PM, said:

Curious, but why didn't you go Phoenix?
Was a great value as far as mechs released in a bundle went.
The loyalty thing was just a side perk.
Also is it too late for us to get more LP from the clan mech package?

For the same reason I didn't go Legendary. I didn't like ALL the mechs. I suggested An a la cart like we had with Founders... and then Clans. All I wanted was a Battlemaster!

[Mavairo]

Vassago Rain, on 18 July 2014 - 01:19 PM, said:

Joe was one of the smart ones. Turns out every single robot in the phoenix package was trash, except the shadowhawk.

The only one that is total trash out of the bunch was the Locust.
Just don't put XLs in the TDR and BLR and they're fine. They aren't Cataphract 3Ds (though honestly, I think the 3D might just be over rated with the release of the Clan mechs, the phract seems to be suffering pretty bad beatings from the clan mechs compared to my TDRs) or VTRs but they aren't Quickdraws and Awesomes by any stretch.

TDRs and BLRs work best loaded down in lasers, and SRMs. The 9SE and 9S can mount 2 PPCs fairly well too. The TDR also spreads laser damage and clan ac damage like a boss. I've not done much with the BLR since the clan release, mostly because I enjoy the TDR more... I need some time with the BLR.

Joseph Mallan, on 18 July 2014 - 01:24 PM, said:

For the same reason I didn't go Legendary. I didn't like ALL the mechs. I suggested An a la cart like we had with Founders... and then Clans. All I wanted was a Battlemaster!

I wanted all of them. I was so very very sad when I actually tried the locust.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mavairo, on 18 July 2014 - 01:28 PM, said:

I wanted all of them. I was so very very sad when I actually tried the locust.

You must have never played a Locust!

[Mavairo]

Joseph Mallan, on 18 July 2014 - 01:52 PM, said:

You must have never played a Locust!

Well I guess I was expecting a really really tiny mech, that moved at 160+. I mean if they gave it some wonky hit boxes to offset it's firepower or something it'd have been okay.

[Roadkill]

Mavairo, on 18 July 2014 - 01:09 PM, said:

I wonder how many Loyalty Points I'll have when they implement them with all of the time I've spent in my phoenix variant TDR, and that I've never once switched factions.

You'll have zero. I'll have zero. Joe will have zero. LP are currently a myth.

Bryan Ekman, on 16 July 2014 - 08:54 AM, said:

Right now no one is collecting LPs and the bonus is not being applied. When LPs come online with a later CW update, bonuses and LP earning will be turned on.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mavairo, on 18 July 2014 - 01:58 PM, said:

Well I guess I was expecting a really really tiny mech, that moved at 160+. I mean if they gave it some wonky hit boxes to offset it's firepower or something it'd have been okay.

Yeah I can understand you thinking that. It always was odd that Locusts were bigger/bulkier than expected in the art.

[Sandpit]

Joseph Mallan, on 18 July 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

Yeah I can understand you thinking that. It always was odd that Locusts were bigger/bulkier than expected in the art.

a scaling pass on all of the mechs would help a lot of the more unpopular ones.

[Cavendish]

Sandpit, on 18 July 2014 - 11:48 AM, said:

I never said I was cheated. I said I'm pissed that a year later I don't have them. Big difference.
I'm also not really interested in the why of it. 9 months is long enough to conceive and deliver a human baby.
Get me ALL of what I paid for FUNCTIONALLY.

They didn't cheat me or lie about LP, they just screwed up. That's fine. **** happens. Get it done.

Complain all you want about threads like this. Doesn't matter. PGI is notorious for having selective hearing when they "listen" to what the "community wants".
3pv
Ghost heat
Not wanting big maps
Shutting down all production for 6 months. Yhat's two entire quarters. To get clans out

So those of us that want what WE paid for are letting them know we're fed up. If you had to wait to actually use your clan mechs outside of maybe private matches would you accept ANY of the replies from the people trying to shout the thread down?
I sincerely doubt it.

Just because it's not important to you doesn't mean it isn't to others

I dont get your hostility. All I asked for was information about why people felt they were owed more then was delivered. Snide, none factual, replies were given, i responded (maybe just as snide, my appologies) by posting a link to the FAQ and wondering how anyone could read that and get a belief that they were gonna get loyality points on release.

Instead of throwing fits about all the missing features PGI has ever mentioned that has been your consistent replies to that, Roadkill was kind enough to actually inform me that the FAQ was posted later which explains some of the ire tho still any evidence of PGI stating that loyality would be in game at release is missing so far. It was assumed by the buyers that they would have a loyality system to gain a bonus for when they got their mechs and medallions were delivered, and when it was not they got angry.

I just wished to understand what the reasons for the anger was.

[Vassago Rain]

Cavendish, on 18 July 2014 - 02:23 PM, said:

I dont get your hostility. All I asked for was information about why people felt they were owed more then was delivered. Snide, none factual, replies were given, i responded (maybe just as snide, my appologies) by posting a link to the FAQ and wondering how anyone could read that and get a belief that they were gonna get loyality points on release.

Instead of throwing fits about all the missing features PGI has ever mentioned that has been your consistent replies to that, Roadkill was kind enough to actually inform me that the FAQ was posted later which explains some of the ire tho still any evidence of PGI stating that loyality would be in game at release is missing so far. It was assumed by the buyers that they would have a loyality system to gain a bonus for when they got their mechs and medallions were delivered, and when it was not they got angry.

I just wished to understand what the reasons for the anger was.

PGI also promised CW and UI 2.0 no more than 4 weeks after launch. You can go watch it on youtube.

[ThermidorFallen]

Cavendish, on 18 July 2014 - 02:23 PM, said:

Spoiler

I dont get your hostility. All I asked for was information about why people felt they were owed more then was delivered. Snide, none factual, replies were given, i responded (maybe just as snide, my appologies) by posting a link to the FAQ and wondering how anyone could read that and get a belief that they were gonna get loyality points on release.

Instead of throwing fits about all the missing features PGI has ever mentioned that has been your consistent replies to that, Roadkill was kind enough to actually inform me that the FAQ was posted later which explains some of the ire tho still any evidence of PGI stating that loyality would be in game at release is missing so far. It was assumed by the buyers that they would have a loyality system to gain a bonus for when they got their mechs and medallions were delivered, and when it was not they got angry.

I just wished to understand what the reasons for the anger was.

I feel the need to point out that the "hostility" isn't directed at you but PGI's actions and that anger for the lack of Loyalty Points is not due to it not being available at release but the fact it's coming upto a year with the Phoenix loyalty bonuses (a big pushing point of the packs) being useless. I imagine very few people thought that CW would be available on the exact release date of Phoenix but until mid-December (2 months after Phoenix release), CW was still slated for a 2013 release. So 2 months after Phoenix release, PGI announced it would be at least 8/9 more months for Loyalty Points. If I'm not mistaken, this was also when the whole licensing thing came up and Clans were announced (which was a bit like, OH! you just paid for Phoenix Mechs, buy Clans now too before you even get your Loyalty usage!).

And with the FAQ, I seem to remember it being a very slow update on information, I read it when it was first added and it mentioned very little of what it does now.

[Bartholomew bartholomew]

I know. Why don't they throw up a challenge. Ten wins gets wolf's dragoons paint job.

Frankly I bet we will probably never see those loyalty points. And I seriously doubt they have been keeping track.

[Sandpit]

Sandpit, on 18 July 2014 - 11:48 AM, said:

I never said I was cheated. I said I'm pissed that a year later I don't have them. Big difference.
I'm also not really interested in the why of it. 9 months is long enough to conceive and deliver a human baby.
Get me ALL of what I paid for FUNCTIONALLY.

They didn't cheat me or lie about LP, they just screwed up. That's fine. **** happens. Get it done.

Complain all you want about threads like this. Doesn't matter. PGI is notorious for having selective hearing when they "listen" to what the "community wants".
3pv
Ghost heat
Not wanting big maps
Shutting down all production for 6 months. Yhat's two entire quarters. To get clans out

So those of us that want what WE paid for are letting them know we're fed up. If you had to wait to actually use your clan mechs outside of maybe private matches would you accept ANY of the replies from the people trying to shout the thread down?
I sincerely doubt it.

Just because it's not important to you doesn't mean it isn't to others

I TRIED to explain that it's not about "lying" and "cheated", it's about getting what I paid for under the implied indication that CW and LP would be here by now. It was also teased (throughout the sale I might add) that LP would be accumulated and applied retroactively.

Then I gave the example of the clan mechs.
If your clan mechs were delivered but you were unable to play them outside of private matches until they were released for cbills or you didn't earn any xp so you can master them long before cbill players can or you didn't earn cbills in them until they're released for cbills, you'd be pissed.
No amount of "you got exactly what you were promised" would make a difference. I pointed out that if it was something that was important to the ones sticking with that tagline, they'd be upset as well. Although, according to you, and a few others, you would have gotten exactly what you paid for because nowhere, anywhere, did PGI ever state "You will be able to use them in public matches and you will earn rewards while using them" because it was implied with your purchase. You, and the others trying to dismiss people who are upset over this, can legalese all you want, that doesn't change the fact that, whether you agree or not, customers are pissed because almost a year after making a purchase they still don't have functionality in their purchased items.
Not cbill items, items they spent hundreds of dollars on.

There's no hostility, you asked a question, I answered.

I would like to point out, however, that not once have I dismissed YOUR opinions, even though I disagree with them, but you're very quick to throw out words like "having a fit" because I've posted why I'm upset about it in direct response to an inquiry YOU made.

I'd like to know where in my quoted post, or any other in this thread, that I've "thrown a fit"

ThermidorFallen, on 18 July 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

If I'm not mistaken, this was also when the whole licensing thing came up and Clans were announced (which was a bit like, OH! you just paid for Phoenix Mechs, buy Clans now too before you even get your Loyalty usage!).

yea I don't even go into the whole "We know you just spent a truckload of cash, but we're going to offer a better package a few weeks later" knowing dam well very few, if any, would have bought the PP if they'd known clans were coming that quick and would have waited for clan packs instead.
Dishonest?
no
****** way to do your customers and do business in general?
pretty much

[Sephlock]

Mavairo, on 18 July 2014 - 01:09 PM, said:

I wonder how many Loyalty Points I'll have when they implement them with all of the time I've spent in my phoenix variant TDR, and that I've never once switched factions.

I still believe, admittedly distantly that we'll actually get community warfare, and that loyalty points will matter...

Didn't a dev specifically say you aren't amassing anything yet?

Like I said before, if you WERE amassing them, the second they flipped the switch, Bishop Steiner would instantly become God-Emperor of the Lyran Commonwealth due to how much he loves his Griffin.

[Mavairo]

Sephlock, on 18 July 2014 - 03:24 PM, said:

Didn't a dev specifically say you aren't amassing anything yet?

Like I said before, if you WERE amassing them, the second they flipped the switch, Bishop Steiner would instantly become God-Emperor of the Lyran Commonwealth due to how much he loves his Griffin.

.... I fail to see the problem with this?

[Sephlock]

Mavairo, on 18 July 2014 - 03:26 PM, said:

.... I fail to see the problem with this?

Hey, don't look at me. The Devs want it to be the way that it is.

Plus I don't think BS would be a merciful god. He has refused to condemn Crazy Kathy.

[Mavairo]

Sephlock, on 18 July 2014 - 03:27 PM, said:

Hey, don't look at me. The Devs want it to be the way that it is.

Plus I don't think BS would be a merciful god. He has refused to condemn Crazy Kathy.

Well it sucks to be those Lyrans doesn't it?