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[Sandpit]

Sephlock, on 18 July 2014 - 03:24 PM, said:

Didn't a dev specifically say you aren't amassing anything yet?

Like I said before, if you WERE amassing them, the second they flipped the switch, Bishop Steiner would instantly become God-Emperor of the Lyran Commonwealth due to how much he loves his Griffin.

you mean like clanners have the ability to master clan mechs before anyone else...

[Sephlock]

Sandpit, on 18 July 2014 - 06:26 PM, said:

you mean like clanners have the ability to master clan mechs before anyone else...

That really comes from our innate superiority (tank bred, dontcha* know!) rather than any sort of unfair privilege...

*Yes, I used a contraction! Deal with it!

[PlzDie]

Mavairo, on 18 July 2014 - 01:09 PM, said:

I wonder how many Loyalty Points I'll have when they implement them with all of the time I've spent in my phoenix variant TDR, and that I've never once switched factions.

I still believe, admittedly distantly that we'll actually get community warfare, and that loyalty points will matter...

None, it is not turned on yet, so by the time it gets turned on your own, as well as my Phoenix mechs will be all but useless, because there is clan and IS chassis that are just better than the Phoenix mechs.
So all the time spent in those mechs will not be counted.

Bryan Ekman, on 16 July 2014 - 08:54 AM, said:

Right now no one is collecting LPs and the bonus is not being applied. When LPs come online with a later CW update, bonuses and LP earning will be turned on.

Bryan Ekman, on 16 July 2014 - 08:39 AM, said:

To be clear... the system is there, we are not collecting LPs until you can use them. Makes it even for everyone and players won't have a stockpile from matches played.

Edited by Duppie1974, 19 July 2014 - 04:55 AM.

[Doctor Proctor]

Shadowhawk SHD-2H(P) - 05:03
Thunderbolt TDR-5S(P) - 09:47
Battlemaster BLR-1G(P) - 20:26
Griffin GRF-1N(P) - 03:59
Wolverine WVR-6R(P) - 04:07
Total: 43:22

So 43 hours and 22 minutes I've spent playing my Phoenix variants (I didn't count the Locust because I don't like them). All of which is apparently now worthless. The only two Phoenix mechs that I even occasionally use anymore are the BLR-1G and the TDR-1S. The others are either mechs I just use anymore period, or there's another variant that I prefer over the (P) variant. And now I find out that the Loyalty Bonus was NEVER EVEN IMPLEMENTED?!?! Seriously PGI, WTF? This is just flat out ridiculous and I cannot believe that you would do this to paying customers.

[Joseph Mallan]

Doctor Proctor, on 20 July 2014 - 06:38 AM, said:

Shadowhawk SHD-2H(P) - 05:03
Thunderbolt TDR-5S(P) - 09:47
Battlemaster BLR-1G(P) - 20:26
Griffin GRF-1N(P) - 03:59
Wolverine WVR-6R(P) - 04:07
Total: 43:22

So 43 hours and 22 minutes I've spent playing my Phoenix variants (I didn't count the Locust because I don't like them). All of which is apparently now worthless. The only two Phoenix mechs that I even occasionally use anymore are the BLR-1G and the TDR-1S. The others are either mechs I just use anymore period, or there's another variant that I prefer over the (P) variant. And now I find out that the Loyalty Bonus was NEVER EVEN IMPLEMENTED?!?! Seriously PGI, WTF? This is just flat out ridiculous and I cannot believe that you would do this to paying customers.

43 Hours? Really? Thats all?

I have half that many hours in just my D-DC!

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 20 July 2014 - 06:42 AM.

[Doctor Proctor]

Joseph Mallan, on 20 July 2014 - 06:41 AM, said:

43 Hours? Really? Thats all?

I have half that many hours in just my D-DC!

I have 3,436 matches, but I don't play all that frequently as this is just one of many games for me. That's really the reason why I initially decided to get the Phoenix package: It was a great deal for a bunch of mechs, gave me a CBill bonus to pay for all those refits on them and a loyalty bonus to make up for the fact that I'm not a super hardcore player. Those 20 hours in the BLR-1G back when it could be a premier direct fire mech routinely getting me 4-5 kills and 1000 damage per match is what helped me like half a dozen other mechs.

Nowadays though, I'm working on getting my BJ's mastered and finishing up a few like the TDR-9S that I never finished mastering before. That and saving up 10's of millions of CBills so that I can afford the new Clan mechs when they're up for CBill purhcase.

So yeah, I got my package and enjoyed it, but one of the big reasons that I got it (the loyalty bonus that would help make up for my infrequent playing) was never implemented is just infuriating. Most of those (P) mechs either don't really suit my play style or have been outclassed by later mechs that were introduced. Not to mention the fact that the reason I have 46 mechs is because I get bored and like to rotate through them. I got my fill of Phoenix mechs when I bought them, A YEAR AGO. Finding out that all that hard work for literally for nothing as far as LP goes is just ridiculous. And then trying to feed a line of BS on top of that about how they were there were implemented all along, even though I never earned any, won't get retro points, and won't get any benefit from my bonus? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME? Do you think I'm an 8 year old PGI? That you can pull a quarter from behind my ear to distract me?

[Joseph Mallan]

Doctor Proctor, on 20 July 2014 - 06:52 AM, said:

I have 3,436 matches, but I don't play all that frequently as this is just one of many games for me. That's really the reason why I initially decided to get the Phoenix package: It was a great deal for a bunch of mechs, gave me a CBill bonus to pay for all those refits on them and a loyalty bonus to make up for the fact that I'm not a super hardcore player. Those 20 hours in the BLR-1G back when it could be a premier direct fire mech routinely getting me 4-5 kills and 1000 damage per match is what helped me like half a dozen other mechs.

Nowadays though, I'm working on getting my BJ's mastered and finishing up a few like the TDR-9S that I never finished mastering before. That and saving up 10's of millions of CBills so that I can afford the new Clan mechs when they're up for CBill purhcase.

So yeah, I got my package and enjoyed it, but one of the big reasons that I got it (the loyalty bonus that would help make up for my infrequent playing) was never implemented is just infuriating. Most of those (P) mechs either don't really suit my play style or have been outclassed by later mechs that were introduced. Not to mention the fact that the reason I have 46 mechs is because I get bored and like to rotate through them. I got my fill of Phoenix mechs when I bought them, A YEAR AGO. Finding out that all that hard work for literally for nothing as far as LP goes is just ridiculous. And then trying to feed a line of BS on top of that about how they were there were implemented all along, even though I never earned any, won't get retro points, and won't get any benefit from my bonus? ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME? Do you think I'm an 8 year old PGI? That you can pull a quarter from behind my ear to distract me?

3,400 matches is not playing that often? Sure its 1,000+ games less than me, but dude 3,000 matches?

IIRC you will get more LP than I will get per match (being only a Founder as I am). What more is it you want? You are not playing the game yet, You are a Houseless Merc. I have been flying a Lyran fist for almost 3 years... Who's more Loyal?

Sandpit, on 18 July 2014 - 06:26 PM, said:

you mean like clanners have the ability to master clan mechs before anyone else...

Is that a bad thing?

[Sandpit]

Joseph Mallan, on 20 July 2014 - 08:39 AM, said:

Is that a bad thing?

not at all, it's just one of the arguments used against us wanting our LP was "If you got them retroactively, you would have them all mastered and that's not really fair. Can you imagine all the PP owners already having their LP maxed out?"

SO I pointed out that it's the exact same principle with mastering mechs early

[Joseph Mallan]

Sandpit, on 20 July 2014 - 08:53 AM, said:

not at all, it's just one of the arguments used against us wanting our LP was "If you got them retroactively, you would have them all mastered and that's not really fair. Can you imagine all the PP owners already having their LP maxed out?"

SO I pointed out that it's the exact same principle with mastering mechs early

I thought that was the direction you were going. The Whole Loyalty point thing is interesting to me.
I can earn a place in a Canon Unit...
Purchase Canon "Dress" Paint schemes...
Unit emblems....
and what else?

Seriously I forgot if there is anything else?

[Kyrie]

Joseph Mallan, on 20 July 2014 - 09:04 AM, said:

I thought that was the direction you were going. The Whole Loyalty point thing is interesting to me.
I can earn a place in a Canon Unit...
Purchase Canon "Dress" Paint schemes...
Unit emblems....
and what else?

Seriously I forgot if there is anything else?

When I first heard of Loyalty Points, I assumed that they would serve to unlock all the cool stuff for house military players: ranks, command positions, abilities to lead and coordinate on the strategic map, help allocate resources between various battlefronts (based on ranks and positions). All of this assumed a full implementation of house military structures (lances , units, prefectures, etc). However, I am afraid this is all a delusion of my EGA-MPBT fevered mind.

[Sandpit]

They also mentioned faction ranks and discounts on mechs

[Joseph Mallan]

Sandpit, on 20 July 2014 - 09:43 AM, said:

They also mentioned faction ranks and discounts on mechs

The discount is OK. But me being me, A Kuritan should not be piloting a D-DC and a Lyran should not have an Atlas-K.

[Kyrie]

Joseph Mallan, on 20 July 2014 - 10:10 AM, said:

The discount is OK. But me being me, A Kuritan should not be piloting a D-DC and a Lyran should not have an Atlas-K.

Pretty much out the window with the "poke-Mech" concept that PGI has embraced, developed, and profited from.

[Sandpit]

Joseph Mallan, on 20 July 2014 - 10:10 AM, said:

The discount is OK. But me being me, A Kuritan should not be piloting a D-DC and a Lyran should not have an Atlas-K.

sure they can, black markets, inherited mechs, conquering a planet with a mech factory on it. Lots of reasons for pilots to have other variants

[Joseph Mallan]

Sandpit, on 20 July 2014 - 10:16 AM, said:

sure they can, black markets, inherited mechs, conquering a planet with a mech factory on it. Lots of reasons for pilots to have other variants

And Rare as hel! I have House Specific Mechs for 4 accounts. I like it that way.

[Sandpit]

Joseph Mallan, on 20 July 2014 - 10:48 AM, said:

And Rare as hel! I have House Specific Mechs for 4 accounts. I like it that way.

It wasn't that rare though. You see plenty of examples of it in the lore. Plus I think we sometimes forget this IS Mechwarrior Mercenaries Online. Maybe you're a "retired" merc who took a comfy job with a faction on garrison duty.

Plus, if you want to get REAL techincal, you wouldn't have a stable of mechs. You'd have one and only one mech. That's lore. That wouldn't be nearly as much fun nor would it be as successful commercially if you were only allowed to have one mech at any given time.

YOU might like it Joe, because I know how much of a hardcore Btech fan you are , but it just wouldn't equate well to an online game. I still think they should have introduced ladders of some kind though. Make players progress to "unlock" each weight class. Start at light and work your way up while you're in the cadet bonus. Then, once you graduate, you can pick whatever mechs you want but it would get new players some experience in every weight class before buying their own. Cuts down a lot on "buyer's remorse" when they wind up dropping all their money on a mech and/or weight class they don't enjoy much.

[Mavairo]

As a member of the FRR, any and every mech I destroy is considered battlefield salvage.
After all we don't build chassis and variants of our own until what, the Norseman, and Viking?

I try to play by "Fluff" with some rare exceptions. I destroy a certain # of mechs or have to before I can consider a mech "salvaged". After all what are the odds of me getting one in good condition that it just needs some new plating, and paint? for Assaults I go with 7 of a given mech if it's IS.

I'm still racking up my required TBR and Stormcrow Salvage....

My TDR, Battlemasters, and sadly even my locusts... I claim that I found in an old weapons cache somewhere... My Clan Kill # requisites are higher than IS mechs since after all I can't just go down to Bobgotter's weapon depot and buy a set of Clan Weapons, and engines....

Edited by Mavairo, 20 July 2014 - 12:37 PM.

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Zolaz, on 15 July 2014 - 06:09 AM, said:

Now, with the Clan Package out of the way, I was wondering when Loyalty Points are going to be implemented.

Long answer very short.



Never

[Belorion]

If you belong to a Merc Corp you may not necessarily ever get loyalty points. We don't know how they will work for anyone really, but especially for Mercenaries.

[Sandpit]

Belorion, on 20 July 2014 - 12:50 PM, said:

If you belong to a Merc Corp you may not necessarily ever get loyalty points. We don't know how they will work for anyone really, but especially for Mercenaries.

everyone would have to be able to earn them. That would defeat the purpose of mercs who bought the PP

Ok here's what we DO know about LP
It will give discounts
It will give rank
Mercs work for factions via contracts
Maxing out LP for all factions = Wolf's Dragoon option
All matches (that aren't private that is) count towards CW

That's the information from the devs at this point. Everything else.... well it's just educated guesses until we get more info