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[Willard Phule]

You know, it's finally dawned on me WHY the new players are given an artificially inflated Elo score.....bear with me, I'll make sense in a bit.

Ever since the institution of the "band-aid" of the Elo based Matchmaker, those of us that drop exclusively in the PUG queue (both pre and post 4 man) have been SCREAMING at you to fix the problem with relation to skill based separation.

Us "experienced" players (and I use that term loosely) are tired of having to carry 4-8 drooling idiots every single match.

The "new players" (like half a dozen people I've tried to get interested in the game) don't like being put into a match where everyone else seems to have a better grasp of how everything works...not to mention their reaction speed.

I've NEVER seen anyone with PGI or IGP designations playing solo. Prior to the "re-write" of the matchmaker, I saw them occasionally...in a 3 or 4 man group. Since the "re-write," I've yet to see one of them drop with us...the unwashed mouthbreathers.

It seems to me, in retrospect, that the reason for starting new players in the middle of the Elo chain is because PGI is in the bottom part of the food chain themselves and is unable to fathom the fact that more than 50% of the people playing this game are far, FAR, better than they are.

If new players were started at the bottom of the food chain, PGI employees would be forced to play against people with Elo scores similar to theirs....the difference is, the other people earned that score. PGI employee's scores are just as artificially inflated as the new players starting the game.

Here is my challenge to all PGI/IGP players:

Play the solo queue for 5 consecutive days without dropping dropping in a group.

We all know that Elo is effected by Win/Loss. Come, join us in the cesspit of the matchmaker you've forced upon us. Watch your W/L and Elo tank out. We'll welcome you with open arms...after we all crush you beneath our feet. Suck it up with the rest of us.

Those of you that aren't IGP/PGI employees...feel free to flame away. Especially you White Knights. In fact, I extend the challenge to you as well. Come, visit the septic tank. We'll be there, waiting for you, expecting you to carry 11 of us every time you play.

Carry on.

Edited by Willard Phule, 21 July 2014 - 03:11 PM.

[Sug]

I could really go for some cake right about now.

[1453 R]

Because this is the way to get Piranha to do what you want, yes it is.

[Sandpit]

Willard Phule, on 21 July 2014 - 03:09 PM, said:

You know, it's finally dawned on me WHY the new players are given an artificially inflated Elo score.....bear with me, I'll make sense in a bit.

Ever since the institution of the "band-aid" of the Elo based Matchmaker, those of us that drop exclusively in the PUG queue (both pre and post 4 man) have been SCREAMING at you to fix the problem with relation to skill based separation.

Us "experienced" players (and I use that term loosely) are tired of having to carry 4-8 drooling idiots every single match.

The "new players" (like half a dozen people I've tried to get interested in the game) don't like being put into a match where everyone else seems to have a better grasp of how everything works...not to mention their reaction speed.

I've NEVER seen anyone with PGI or IGP designations playing solo. Prior to the "re-write" of the matchmaker, I saw them occasionally...in a 3 or 4 man group. Since the "re-write," I've yet to see one of them drop with us...the unwashed mouthbreathers.

It seems to me, in retrospect, that the reason for starting new players in the middle of the Elo chain is because PGI is in the bottom part of the food chain themselves and is unable to fathom the fact that more than 50% of the people playing this game are far, FAR, better than they are.

If new players were started at the bottom of the food chain, PGI employees would be forced to play against people with Elo scores similar to theirs....the difference is, the other people earned that score. PGI employee's scores are just as artificially inflated as the new players starting the game.

Here is my challenge to all PGI/IGP players:

Play the solo queue for 5 consecutive days without dropping dropping in a group.

We all know that Elo is effected by Win/Loss. Come, join us in the cesspit of the matchmaker you've forced upon us. Watch your W/L and Elo tank out. We'll welcome you with open arms...after we all crush you beneath our feet. Suck it up with the rest of us.

Those of you that aren't IGP/PGI employees...feel free to flame away. Especially you White Knights. In fact, I extend the challenge to you as well. Come, visit the septic tank. We'll be there, waiting for you, expecting you to carry 11 of us every time you play.

Carry on.

uhm
New player Elo is artificially lowered per Bryan on Twitter. Their Elo is not inflated

[1453 R]

No reason to let facts get in the way of a perfectly good rant, eh Sandpit?

[LORD TSARKON]

IGP and PGI employees probably play more incognito these days because of all the crazies out there in MAtch Maker..

But the OP does have a point.... sort of...

Edited by LORD TSARKON, 21 July 2014 - 03:21 PM.

[Nothing Whatsoever]

WAT

[Sandpit]

LORD TSARKON, on 21 July 2014 - 03:20 PM, said:

IGP and PGI employees probably play more incognito these days because of all the crazies out there in MAtch Maker..

But the OP does have a point.... sort of...

except Elo for new players isn't inflated.

I actually agree that new players should start at bottom for various reasons but their Elo is not inflated to start. It actually starts lower than "average" but Bryan wouldn't state how low

[pwnface]

Solo queue is generally pretty easy for experienced players (at least in my experience). Most of the players have no idea what they are doing and are basically just sitting around waiting for me to kill them.

[stjobe]

Sandpit, on 21 July 2014 - 03:16 PM, said:

uhm
New player Elo is artificially lowered per Bryan on Twitter. Their Elo is not inflated

The Cadet Elo is lowered to 1100 instead of 1300.

1100 (not to mention 1300) is rather inflated when it should start at 0.

[Willard Phule]

Sandpit, on 21 July 2014 - 03:16 PM, said:

uhm
New player Elo is artificially lowered per Bryan on Twitter. Their Elo is not inflated

Keep thinking that, peewee. I drop into the solo queue exclusively and I'm here to tell you that they're wrong. But, by all means, wave that damned White Knight flag for all you're worth.

Either you're in the upper bracket of the Elo or you don't drop solo. I'd have seen you by now and I haven't. Trust me on that one because if I'd seen you, I'd have hunted you down...regardless of what team you're on.

If you were on my team, I'd have declared a Circle of Equals on you before the match ever started. And I'd have used your scalp to clean my shorts......the saddest part of that is that I'm FIRMLY in the mid-range of the Elo chart. I know that for FACT. But, whatever. Beat your drum. Come drool with us. I welcome it.

In fact, feel free to "friend" me....I'd love to meet you in a circle. Hell, bring 11 of your bestest friends. I'll take them on one at a time after I've wiped up the floor with you.

stjobe, on 21 July 2014 - 03:27 PM, said:

The Cadet Elo is lowered to 1100 instead of 1300.

1100 (not to mention 1300) is rather inflated when it should start at 0.

Again, what's the point? The damn Matchmaker has such a spread available to it that it doesn't matter. If you're above 1100, you're carrying the rest of the team.

Leave the damn group queue and come to the septic tank once in a while.

pwnface, on 21 July 2014 - 03:24 PM, said:

Solo queue is generally pretty easy for experienced players (at least in my experience). Most of the players have no idea what they are doing and are basically just sitting around waiting for me to kill them.

Pretty easy UNTIL you have to carry 8 mouthbreating Steiners. For crying out loud, get real. The solo queue sucks.

[Nightmare1]

"...Dropping dropping..." He's so serious that he said it twice!

Meh, I can't say that this guy is correct. As for me, I've seen PGI in-game several times, usually in pairs or pugging solo. I've yet to see a group with three or more in it.

Now, the new player experience could be a real challenge. I wouldn't know since I haven't been a new player since early in Closed Beta. However, assuming that it is, then a simple fix could solve the issue permanently. I like how Ghost Recon Online (now Phantoms) fixed their newbie experience. Simply put, until you reach Level 5 you can only drop against other players below Level 5. This keeps everyone on the same playing field.

I realize that we do not have levels in MWO, but something could be substituted for this similarly to how the Cadet Bonus works. Perhaps for the first 30 matches you play, the MM tries to match you up with other pilots who are also playing their first 30 matches. If it fails to find 24 players within that bracket, then it looks at other pilots in increments of 30; i.e. - from 0 - 30, to 30 - 60, to 60 - 90, to 90 - 120 and then to unrestricted. It might be a way to narrow the odds a bit for the newbies.

[Marvyn Dodgers]

Don't choke on your cake and say hi to the birds

[Sandpit]

Willard Phule, on 21 July 2014 - 03:33 PM, said:

Keep thinking that, peewee. I drop into the solo queue exclusively and I'm here to tell you that they're wrong. But, by all means, wave that damned White Knight flag for all you're worth.

sure thing hoss. You do realize that with this statement, you just showed anyone that posts on the forums (and has any common sense) that you are just another in a long line of people who can't admit they were wrong and/or mistaken.
Calling me a white knight just really ruined any credibility that you might have had
You refuse to accept that Bryan has already stated this in an answer to a tweet I sent him suggesting this exact same thing and asking the exact same questions.

Willard Phule, on 21 July 2014 - 03:33 PM, said:

Keep thinking that, peewee. I drop into the solo queue exclusively and I'm here to tell you that they're wrong. But, by all means, wave that damned White Knight flag for all you're worth.

Either you're in the upper bracket of the Elo or you don't drop solo. I'd have seen you by now and I haven't. Trust me on that one because if I'd seen you, I'd have hunted you down...regardless of what team you're on.

If you were on my team, I'd have declared a Circle of Equals on you before the match ever started. And I'd have used your scalp to clean my shorts......the saddest part of that is that I'm FIRMLY in the mid-range of the Elo chart. I know that for FACT. But, whatever. Beat your drum. Come drool with us. I welcome it.

In fact, feel free to "friend" me....I'd love to meet you in a circle. Hell, bring 11 of your bestest friends. I'll take them on one at a time after I've wiped up the floor with you.

I wouldn't friend you for a clan pack. you're a foul-mouthed person who cannot accept that you were wrong and this entire rant and thread can't hit k town fast enough. THEN I'll be happy to let you know exactly what I think of your little rant

[Jiang Wei]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 21 July 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

Ive allways said this game needs a Mm based on ranking. There could be 1-5 ranks for the MM. grouped players get ranked by their average Group rank

But that isnt the reason for the ELO matchmaker. Its just a matchmaking tool and is not relevant to ones own self imagined rank.

In 12 vs 12, ELO ranks are useless. But its fine for matchmaking random players, that is all its for. Its not there to show you how good or bad u are.

[Sandpit]

i'm ******* psychic

op you're a ******* idiot. you got proven wrong, your assertion was wrong, and you called ME a white knight? This just further shows how much of an idiot you are. You couldn't pay me enough to play a match with you listening to you whine, QQ, snivel, and otherwise cry about how "good" or "bad" you're doing because that's all you are.

An anonymous little ***** who thinks he's "cute". You're just a sad little man who couldn't admit he was wrong.

******* moron...

Here is my challenge to the OP

Try to go 2 days without being a ******* moron

Jiang Wei, on 21 July 2014 - 03:42 PM, said:

But that isnt the reason for the ELO matchmaker. Its just a matchmaking tool and is not relevant to ones own self imagined rank.

In 12 vs 12, ELO ranks are useless. But its fine for matchmaking random players, that is all its for. Its not there to show you how good or bad u are.

I think we can all tell how "good" the OP is given his QQ rant

[Scraith Rukyr]

[Sandpit]

But like most, he won't follow his poor thread into K Town. It's sad because we could rehabilitate him just like the threads are. Although as much of an idiot as he is, I don't know if we can rehab that. We might need an idiocism

I wonder ho OP's younger brother/sister is doing...

[Jiang Wei]

pwnface, on 21 July 2014 - 03:24 PM, said:

Solo queue is generally pretty easy for experienced players (at least in my experience). Most of the players have no idea what they are doing and are basically just sitting around waiting for me to kill them.

Its so sad when Im on the team that does this. They dont know how to respond to enemy flanking, they continue to pop up to take a shot when they are already cored and have the whole enemy team just waiting for them to pop up again. One by one this team dies, while I am seeing the flankers and repositioning so i dont get caught, only looking for opportunities to give fire when its in my favor and finding myself the last one alive almost every game because I know how to play and the rest of my team is garbage.

Or dying early to watch on spectator the horrible players left on my team and their aimless floundering and lack of awareness and when the game is finally over and we lost I still had the top scores.

Wait... could this be considered elo hell?

Edited by Jiang Wei, 21 July 2014 - 03:55 PM.

[Be Rough With Me Plz]

I apologize if this post offends, but...

Keep banging away~



Edit: It's pretty clear that nobody really know how the Elo system PGI implemented works and what factors contribute to one's Elo. So, why the constant ranting? You perceive other people as noobs, but the same can be said of you. In the (roughly) 1700 matches played I've only seen you once. In that match you were the second pilot to die in your Timber without notching a single kill. Would it be fair for me to call you a window-licking noob who doesn't know how to play using a "P2W ZOMGOP" Mech?

Edited by Be Rough With Me Plz, 21 July 2014 - 04:07 PM.