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Khobai, on 24 July 2014 - 03:18 AM, said:

Lights and mediums should not be getting killed in 2-3 hits.

Tell that to dual LBX-20 direwolfs.

[Roland]

Viktor Drake, on 25 July 2014 - 04:06 PM, said:

Luck shot. They do happen and it doesn't require a dual PPC/Gauss to do it.

Well, technically it does, if it happens from long range, as you need to do at least 36 damage to headshot a fresh mech running full head armor.

You could do it with 4 PPC's, but would suffer significant ghost heat... You could do it with twin AC20's, but would be very range limited.

[Mcgral18]

Roland, on 25 July 2014 - 04:09 PM, said:

Well, technically it does, if it happens from long range, as you need to do at least 36 damage to headshot a fresh mech running full head armor.

You could do it with 4 PPC's, but would suffer significant ghost heat... You could do it with twin AC20's, but would be very range limited.

Unless it's an ammo explosion. That can happen if the damage is only 19 or greater from a FLD source, with ammo stored in the head, of course.

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Mcgral18, on 25 July 2014 - 04:12 PM, said:

Unless it's an ammo explosion. That can happen if the damage is only 19 or greater from a FLD source, with ammo stored in the head, of course.

Had a dual gauss head shot my Twolf this morning right near the beginning of a match. Third time since 2012 a player (and not module strike) has actually done it. With that guy spamming the MWO cheat page on the forums last week I can't help but be a tad more suspicious now of players who manage it under less than idea conditions.

[Deadead]

Yeonne Greene, on 24 July 2014 - 05:00 AM, said:

Lights are generally tonnage-impaired, not hard-point impaired. There is nothing PGI can do about that without also throwing what remains of the book out the window.

The agility stuff, on the other hand, I would love to see in the game.

Oh, and the risk of dying in 1 to 3 hits is part of what makes driving a Light so fun! In the face of the meta-brawlers, it turns MWO into a much brainier game.

THIS right here. started a new game yesterday, went scouting in a nova. (i know i know, but one of the faster mechs we had that drop.) crest a small hill and spot a direwolf. he happens to be facing me. start backpedalling to get back under cover. no dice. i explode immediately. first thing i check for is a lucky headshot. it says CT. i express my surprise and he just tells me his loadout and start laughing about it in all chat. 6 ML 2 LL 2 gauss. i figure i mayybe stripped some armor and didnt realise it so i check in mechlab soon as games over. turns out maxed my CT armor. so i mock it up in smurfy and i get 90 dmg alpha. Now in general i think clans are not unbalanced. but THIS is ridiculous. there isn't any fun to be had with that kind of firepower pinpointed. It needs fixing.

[Roland]

lockwoodx, on 25 July 2014 - 04:15 PM, said:

Had a dual gauss head shot my Twolf this morning right near the beginning of a match. Third time since 2012 a player (and not module strike) has actually done it. With that guy spamming the MWO cheat page on the forums last week I can't help but be a tad more suspicious now of players who manage it under less than idea conditions.

Headshotting a mech is honestly not so difficult as to require hacks.

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Roland, on 25 July 2014 - 04:19 PM, said:

Headshotting a mech is honestly not so difficult as to require hacks.

Out of the blue, terra therma, fresh mech, third time ever in 2 years? Yeah right....

Pilots with the skill to pull off those shots don't generally aim for the head.

Everyone knows they are extremely rare hence my suspicion.

A clean head shot in MWO = killing this guy:

Edited by lockwoodx, 25 July 2014 - 04:37 PM.

[Khobai]

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Tell that to dual LBX-20 direwolfs.

LBX20s are useless though. They spread out way too much. LBX5s are actually way better because of the tight spread. You can put most of the shots into the same location at medium range.

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Khobai, on 25 July 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

LBX20s are useless though. They spread out way too much. LBX5s are actually way better because of the tight spread. You can put most of the shots into the same location at medium range.

I love LBX5s, but to say LBX20s are useless, especially against lights... LEWLLLLLLLLL

[Hagoromo Gitsune]

Roland, on 25 July 2014 - 04:19 PM, said:

Headshotting a mech is honestly not so difficult as to require hacks.

A fresh mech? With whAAAAt!? Deathstars ionic-pumpup-laser cannon? Depleted uranium railgun 150 DMG slug travelling 11mach? We got neither. Only tomato-red shiny mechs are HS-able.

The rest goes to fairy-tail stories also known as obviuos lies.

lockwoodx, on 25 July 2014 - 04:43 PM, said:

I love LBX5s, but to say LBX20s are useless, especially against lights... LEWLLLLLLLLL

Yap. cause we run circles.

[Roland]

Hagoromo Gitsune, on 25 July 2014 - 04:45 PM, said:

A fresh mech? With whAAAAt!? Deathstars ionic-pumpup-laser cannon? Depleted uranium railgun 150 DMG slug travelling 11mach? We got neither. Only tomato-red shiny mechs are HS-able.

Uh.. any mech will die to a headshot, even with totally fresh armor, if you hit it with 36 points of damage.
That's how much it takes to destroy the 18 armor and 15 internal structure.

Given that you joined this month, maybe you shouldn't be so certain you understand how the game works.

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Hagoromo Gitsune, on 25 July 2014 - 04:45 PM, said:

Only tomato-red shiny mechs are HS-able.

You just had to bring that up....



1 variant of each of my clan mechs is tomato red for the clan wolf theme and guess which one I was driving?

[9thDeathscream]

Deadead, on 25 July 2014 - 04:18 PM, said:

THIS right here. started a new game yesterday, went scouting in a nova. (i know i know, but one of the faster mechs we had that drop.) crest a small hill and spot a direwolf. he happens to be facing me. start backpedalling to get back under cover. no dice. i explode immediately. first thing i check for is a lucky headshot. it says CT. i express my surprise and he just tells me his loadout and start laughing about it in all chat. 6 ML 2 LL 2 gauss. i figure i mayybe stripped some armor and didnt realise it so i check in mechlab soon as games over. turns out maxed my CT armor. so i mock it up in smurfy and i get 90 dmg alpha. Now in general i think clans are not unbalanced. but THIS is ridiculous. there isn't any fun to be had with that kind of firepower pinpointed. It needs fixing.

I had a similar experience in my Nova, except i had minimal (stress minimal) CT damage. I was on Canyon network, near THETA. come round the corner and stop dead in front of An Atlas DDC. Boom. Dead instantly. Except he hit me with an Ac20 and 3 SRMs+ART. So yeah does happen sometimes with an IS mech, but almost every Direwolf i see now is sporting the Gauss PPC combo. Getting a bit tiresome know that he only has to wing a section of torso and ur basically crippled.

[Roland]

An ac20 and 18 srms isn't going to one shot you through the front.

[Gas Guzzler]

Deadead, on 25 July 2014 - 04:18 PM, said:

THIS right here. started a new game yesterday, went scouting in a nova. (i know i know, but one of the faster mechs we had that drop.) crest a small hill and spot a direwolf. he happens to be facing me. start backpedalling to get back under cover. no dice. i explode immediately. first thing i check for is a lucky headshot. it says CT. i express my surprise and he just tells me his loadout and start laughing about it in all chat. 6 ML 2 LL 2 gauss. i figure i mayybe stripped some armor and didnt realise it so i check in mechlab soon as games over. turns out maxed my CT armor. so i mock it up in smurfy and i get 90 dmg alpha. Now in general i think clans are not unbalanced. but THIS is ridiculous. there isn't any fun to be had with that kind of firepower pinpointed. It needs fixing.

Yeah I have that build. It is hot, and the ER MLs have somewhat limited range from doing their full damage, and you have to hold on target for 1.5 seconds to let your ER LLs fire, and yes it does 94 damage, from a whale that moves 53.6 kph. Better question is though, as soon as you saw that Dire Wolf, why didn't you torso twist to shield yourself? You can't just hill hump and then BACKPEDAL away without twisting away and not expect to get lit up.

This is why straight hill humping gets you killed. Mechs without jump jets need to approach hills at an angle and then turn back down maintaining the lateral movement, and you can twist to spread damage. But you are in a Nova which has jump jets. Why didn't you just pop up over the hill to see over it? 5 tons of your mech is locked in to Jump Jets, may as well take advantage of them.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 26 July 2014 - 11:07 AM.

[9thDeathscream]

Roland, on 26 July 2014 - 07:37 AM, said:

An ac20 and 18 srms isn't going to one shot you through the front.

Well probably had its lasers as well. I was surprised. I was expecting to get away in critical but nope. Boom dead. I thought it was strange. Though Novas are thin. Actually come to think of I run stock armour values on that mech. Hasn't really been much of a problem. Just was surprised.

Edited by Akulla1980, 26 July 2014 - 12:49 PM.

[Yokaiko]

Khobai, on 25 July 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

LBX20s are useless though. They spread out way too much. LBX5s are actually way better because of the tight spread. You can put most of the shots into the same location at medium range.

I've seen a couple guys tearing a$$ with them though, I can't say I've tried that build, but I've seen it be (situationally perhaps) effective.

[Kh0rn]

Mechs like the timbertart , or Meta wolf (Direwolf with 2 ER PPC 2 Guass) Is by far the easiest way too play the game, very little input required and only takes a couple of hours too get the hang of, Getting high scores with it does not take much. For my own sake I prefer an actual challenge so I am some one who refuses too run meta because its far too easy.

[MischiefSC]

Roland, on 26 July 2014 - 07:37 AM, said:

An ac20 and 18 srms isn't going to one shot you through the front.

With the LLs it's 83 pts. I've chewed through a side torso on a lot of mechs with a D-DC face-hump. CT on Phracts or Pults, pretty much any heavy.

It's the flank rush in an Atlas that brings me back to the D-DC. Coming out of the buildings or over the top of the shuttle on Frozen, like 80m away from some people all tucked in for LRMing or poptarting and just watching their dreams of a Good Match get crushed. Fancy builds, various Clan and IS 'trick setups', meta, whatever. Point blank 100 tons of face-exploding rage that clearly is not stopping just because you're there but clearly intends to push clean *through* you....

Edited by MischiefSC, 26 July 2014 - 02:12 PM.

[Yokaiko]

MischiefSC, on 26 July 2014 - 02:11 PM, said:

With the LLs it's 83 pts. I've chewed through a side torso on a lot of mechs with a D-DC face-hump. CT on Phracts or Pults, pretty much any heavy.

It's the flank rush in an Atlas that brings me back to the D-DC. Coming out of the buildings or over the top of the shuttle on Frozen, like 80m away from some people all tucked in for LRMing or poptarting and just watching their dreams of a Good Match get crushed. Fancy builds, various Clan and IS 'trick setups', meta, whatever. Point blank 100 tons of face-exploding rage that clearly is not stopping just because you're there but clearly intends to push clean *through* you....

Dakkawolf in a tunnel.

There are plenty of tunnels, this one is mine GTFO plskthxbye.