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[Sephlock]

Why does anyone even bother with Dual Gauss and Dual PPCs? There's the PPC heat nerfs, the Gauss anti-fun charge mechanic, the vast superiority or the SIX UAC5 DAKKAWOLF...

[Almond Brown]

Khobai, on 24 July 2014 - 10:48 AM, said:

Maybe if all the Dire Wolf is running is ERPPCs and Gauss. But thats stupid. My Gauss/ERPPC Dire Wolf has x2 ERPPC, x2 Gauss, x4 ERSL, and x4 MG. It can easily outbrawl any Atlas under 270m

Both Mechs have 614 points of armor. Who has better mobility? Given a surprise (both fresh at 250m) encounter, may the best Pilot win...

[RetroActive]

Rouken, on 24 July 2014 - 09:55 AM, said:

Never said it was a good build. Someone asked to see a build that could CT core a fresh Victor.

But you have a point. UACs shut off mid burst if you shut down. You would have to change the build a little to 2xERLL, 7xERML, and 2xUAC20s to pick up 5 more DHS. Then override and double coolant flush to have any chance at all of both getting it off and surviving.

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Its not impossible, just incredibly unlikely. At any rate, I'm just saying it is possible, not practical.

The only way it is possible is if the mech is disconnected.

[Joseph Mallan]

Khobai, on 24 July 2014 - 02:32 AM, said:

The direwolf could still outgun any other mech even if it couldnt do 50 pinpoint damage.

Cgauss and cerppcs should be linked for ghost heat. That still wouldnt prevent it from doing 50 pinpoint damage, but at least it would have to pay for it with extra heat.

The Dire Wolf can carry 50 tons of weapons... OF COURSE IT CAN OUT GUN EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW!!!!

[New Breed]

Sephlock, on 24 July 2014 - 11:22 AM, said:

Why does anyone even bother with Dual Gauss and Dual PPCs? There's the PPC heat nerfs, the Gauss anti-fun charge mechanic, the vast superiority or the SIX UAC5 DAKKAWOLF...

Yeah, I like the 2 gauss, 6 med laser, Target computer build myself.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

RetroActive, on 24 July 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

The only way it is possible is if the mech is disconnected.

It is possible against a player charging straight ahead while not twisting. Possible does not mean the same thing as probable. I've never suggested it is probable.

[Bilbo]

Rouken, on 24 July 2014 - 11:49 AM, said:

It is possible against a player charging straight ahead while not twisting. Possible does not mean the same thing as probable. I've never suggested it is probable.

That person needs to die anyway. He'll never learn his lesson otherwise.

[Joseph Mallan]

Pillager.
Thunder Hawk
Nightstar
Devastator
4 Mechs with equal Fire power to a Dire Wolf. We will have our day, we must only be patient.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Bilbo, on 24 July 2014 - 11:52 AM, said:

That person needs to die anyway. He'll never learn his lesson otherwise.

Hypothetical players need to l2p. They're always doing dumb stuff.

Edited by Rouken, 24 July 2014 - 11:55 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Rouken, on 24 July 2014 - 11:55 AM, said:

Hypothetical players need to l2p. They're always doing dumb stuff.

If they are hypothetical, shouldn't they register first so they are actual players before learning to play?

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Joseph Mallan, on 24 July 2014 - 11:56 AM, said:

If they are hypothetical, shouldn't they register first so they are actual players before learning to play?

In theory...

[Joseph Mallan]

[MilesTeg1982]

Joseph Mallan, on 24 July 2014 - 11:54 AM, said:

Pillager.
Thunder Hawk
Nightstar
Devastator
4 Mechs with equal Fire power to a Dire Wolf. We will have our day, we must only be patient.

The funny thing is - even if those mechs would make it into the game (although I prefer clan mechs I would appretiate that just for the sake to end that stupid discussion about the DWF beeing OP) - there still would be whining:

a) people would whine about them beeing slower than an Atlas
people would put a bigger engine into these mechs and then whine about it having less firepower than the DWF

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@all "I don't have clan mechs yet so because I did not want to spend money to get them early they must be OP and and game breaking by definition"-kids: GROW UP!

[Bishop Steiner]

Joseph Mallan, on 24 July 2014 - 12:07 PM, said:

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 24 July 2014 - 01:09 PM.

[PlzDie]

MilesTeg1982, on 24 July 2014 - 12:28 PM, said:

The funny thing is - even if those mechs would make it into the game (although I prefer clan mechs I would appretiate that just for the sake to end that stupid discussion about the DWF beeing OP) - there still would be whining:

a) people would whine about them beeing slower than an Atlas
people would put a bigger engine into these mechs and then whine about it having less firepower than the DWF

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@all "I don't have clan mechs yet so because I did not want to spend money to get them early they must be OP and and game breaking by definition"-kids: GROW UP!

So you think that a mech that can deliver a 50 PP with 10 splash bonus, that can kill a light or medium mech with one shot is well balanced? No wonder nobody wants to play mediums or lights anymore.

Edited by Duppie1974, 24 July 2014 - 01:23 PM.

[Solahma]

Duppie1974, on 24 July 2014 - 01:22 PM, said:

So you think that a mech that can deliver a 50 PP with 10 splash bonus, that can kill a light or medium mech with one shot is well balanced? No wonder nobody wants to play mediums or lights anymore.

I play a lot more cautious as a light/medium. If I see a Dire Wolf, I break LoS as quickly as possible and will not approach again unless from behind or after I know his loadout.

The presence of the Dire Wolf 50+10 alpha means that you should be more cautious in general knowing something like that can be on the battlefield. Instead of mindlessly running into a mob of mechs or charge without the proper intel., you should scout and gather information before making match-ending decisions.

Edited by Solahma, 24 July 2014 - 01:28 PM.

[Gyrok]

Khobai, on 24 July 2014 - 10:48 AM, said:

Maybe if all the Dire Wolf is running is ERPPCs and Gauss. But thats stupid. My Gauss/ERPPC Dire Wolf has x2 ERPPC, x2 Gauss, x4 ERSL, and x4 MG. It can easily outbrawl any Atlas under 270m

You clearly have not met every atlas pilot...

The AC20 + SRM18 build is not the nasty build...

2xLBX10 + SRM18 + 2xML is the nasty build...it puts out 14 DPS sustained with no heat issues and goes about ~60 kph.

Meanwhile, your arms with no lateral movement and 80 deg torso twist range after all advantages and ~7 kph speed deficit and torso twist deficit due to smaller engine means that your weapons will not be pointed at anything the Atlas does not want you to get at.

Sorry, I am a DAMN good assault pilot, and I have been outplayed in an DW with a number of builds by players who cannot out pilot me when I drive an Atlas. Then when we swapped sides, I flat mowed them down...they did not even crack armor on the Atlas while in the DW it was so one sided. Seriously...

Atlas > DW in a brawl...ALWAYS (unless the Atlas pilot has an IQ lower than his shoe size...).

DW is still not the worst mech in the game by a long shot...but I do not want to hear anyone talking about how their DW out brawls an Atlas...that is simply FUD!

Edited by Gyrok, 24 July 2014 - 01:33 PM.

[Kiiyor]

Ngamok, on 24 July 2014 - 06:49 AM, said:

+INFINITY for Calvin and Hobbes

I miss it so much.

[Bishop Steiner]

Gyrok, on 24 July 2014 - 01:32 PM, said:

You clearly have not met every atlas pilot...

The AC20 + SRM18 build is not the nasty build...

2xLBX10 + SRM18 + 2xML is the nasty build...it puts out 14 DPS sustained with no heat issues and goes about ~60 kph.

Meanwhile, your arms with no lateral movement and 80 deg torso twist range after all advantages and ~7 kph speed deficit and torso twist deficit due to smaller engine means that your weapons will not be pointed at anything the Atlas does not want you to get at.

Sorry, I am a DAMN good assault pilot, and I have been outplayed in an DW with a number of builds by players who cannot out pilot me when I drive an Atlas. Then when we swapped sides, I flat mowed them down...they did not even crack armor on the Atlas while in the DW it was so one sided. Seriously...

Atlas > DW in a brawl...ALWAYS (unless the Atlas pilot has an IQ lower than his shoe size...).

DW is still not the worst mech in the game by a long shot...but I do not want to hear anyone talking about how their DW out brawls an Atlas...that is simply FUD!

I have a vicious brawling DW-B, and I agree, in general, a well designed D-DC is superior, because of the mobility and arm reflex, I often can't being a huge part of firepower to bear in CQB with more mobile opponents. Carrying 2 LB-20x, 4 MG, 2 ER Large and a LPL, it's an ambush predator. But toe to toe, even though the atlas has less tonnage of weaponry, the FLD and mobility are a huge difference.

Duppie1974, on 24 July 2014 - 01:22 PM, said:

So you think that a mech that can deliver a 50 PP with 10 splash bonus, that can kill a light or medium mech with one shot is well balanced? No wonder nobody wants to play mediums or lights anymore.

huh. I see lots of guys running em just fine.

Guess it's weeding out the bads and wannabes.

[Bishop Steiner]

Kiiyor, on 24 July 2014 - 01:47 PM, said:

I miss it so much.

betting in todays PC culture, with everything going on, this could NEVER be run now.....