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[Tezcatli]

ECM should only provide it's cloak to the mech using it. And instead it affects missiles targeting allied mechs within the radius of ECM mech by causing the missiles to scatter more. That's what it should be. Instead of this ridiculous balance breaking thing.

[Haxburch]

ECM is fine you dont need to lock anybody to shoot . ECM gives ongly the option to come in combatrange without LRM death to the hole team.

NERF LRM , NERF LRM , NERF LRM , NERF LRM !

Then we can maybe talk about ecm , maybe !

[Mcgral18]

Haxburch, on 26 July 2014 - 11:23 PM, said:

ECM is fine you dont need to lock anybody to shoot . ECM gives ongly the option to come in combatrange without LRM death to the hole team.

NERF LRM , NERF LRM , NERF LRM , NERF LRM !

Then we can maybe talk about ecm , maybe !

Nerf one of the worst weapons in the game.

Wonderful idea.

[Deathlike]

The lack of red triangles over the heads of targets confuses people (hard to focus fire and/or call targets and/or shoot weakened sections).

What confuses them more is thinking that NARC would "counter" a mech under the cloak, instead of NARCing the mech that is GIVING said cloak to everyone. Just had that happen last match (solo) with someone that wasn't aware of that fact.

The only thing that ECM does exceptionally well (and arguably crazy) is to allow groups to be walking indignantly out in the open.

Clearly, walking out in the open should always be "safe from the opfor"™.

Edited by Deathlike, 26 July 2014 - 11:34 PM.

[Haxburch]

Mcgral18, on 26 July 2014 - 11:25 PM, said:

Nerf one of the worst weapons in the game.

Wonderful idea.

Yes very good idia and i am not the onglyone who have this idea . Look at Page 1 this Forum , 33 paged Thread to  NERF LRM !  

Do you LRM FREAKS really believe there would be a ECM nerf first ? NERF LRM ! LRM makes the game so much unfun and shallow !Ongly LRM lovers hate ECM nobody else.
NERF LRM , NERF LRM , NERF LRM  !

Edited by Haxburch, 26 July 2014 - 11:35 PM.

[Nothing Whatsoever]

I dunno, a 60+ FLD hit (plus 15 arching damage) can ruin many more casual encounters, than ECM.

I feel that savvy players could easily dominate with this sort of build right now (I've seen this sort of build with various Pod mixes, the one I'm posting has lots of agility due to the A-Right Arm and Prime-RIght Torso, but there are many other ways to build a BOOM Wolf though) so: BOOM

Due to Clan XL Engines' resilience compared to IS XLs, that build can soak damage on the right side and whup most others, as enemies feebly seek a weak point in desperation (I've been such an enemy mind you!).

And anybody who's piloted an Atlas before for a while, knows how to counter turn and soak damage, so such a build needs to be caught by surprise or in great numbers, since 60 FLD can kill or cripple most other builds out there within 8 to 10 seconds.


And maybe, many might be surprised by how many builds skimp on back armor (and even leg armor), but skimping on armor can be done to great effect, knowing the mech's limits, along with knowing the various map restrictions for cover and self-defense!

[Kilo 40]

Haxburch, on 26 July 2014 - 11:32 PM, said:

Do you LRM FREAKS really believe there would be a ECM nerf first ?

No way do we "LRM freaks" believe ECM will get nerfed. We know that PGI is scared to nerf it because of the epic rain of tears from *cough* "players" such as yourself, that would result.

so don't worry. You're safe in your ECM bubble that you can't play without.

[ValidPilotName]

Issue is with solo drops and 1 team has 1-3 ecm and the other team has none.

Then you have games were you counter their ecm,narc them,type in chat to fire on ecm mech and nobody does.

[Anrenrui]

;o

[Onmyoudo]

Haxburch, on 26 July 2014 - 11:32 PM, said:

Yes very good idia and i am not the onglyone who have this idea . Look at Page 1 this Forum , 33 paged Thread to NERF LRM !

Do you LRM FREAKS really believe there would be a ECM nerf first ? NERF LRM ! LRM makes the game so much unfun and shallow !Ongly LRM lovers hate ECM nobody else.
NERF LRM , NERF LRM , NERF LRM !

It's 33 pages because it's full people telling the OP that LRMs don't need to be nerfed. In future, maybe you should try reading that thread and its discussion instead of spewing stupidity all over another thread.

[Kilo 40]

sneeking, on 27 July 2014 - 01:14 AM, said:

lrm is part of the current meta

[Black Ivan]

Stp beating a dead horse. PGI will never ever change the ECM. They intentionally implemented the Angel ECM instead of the Guardian ECM, because they had no clue on what to do with the Guardian.

[IraqiWalker]

Zolaz, on 26 July 2014 - 08:00 PM, said:

Nothing breaks the game like ECM and PGI knows it. That is why you see it on so few mechs. If you are going to PUG it up and want to win, just take ECM mechs. Especially, if you are a "pilot" who doesnt break 200 damage each and every game. If you are one of those "pilots" feel free to help your team out and pick up some ECM, your W/L average will love you.

Very few variants actually had ECM, you really should read the TROs before saying they are putting it on few mechs to nerf it.

Also, you're criticizing a system that affects only 2 weapons in the game. LRMs, and Streaks, and it has about a gazillion counters too. Seriously.

Edited by IraqiWalker, 27 July 2014 - 02:19 AM.

[IraqiWalker]

Haxburch, on 26 July 2014 - 11:32 PM, said:

Yes very good idia and i am not the onglyone who have this idea . Look at Page 1 this Forum , 33 paged Thread to NERF LRM !

Do you LRM FREAKS really believe there would be a ECM nerf first ? NERF LRM ! LRM makes the game so much unfun and shallow !Ongly LRM lovers hate ECM nobody else.
NERF LRM , NERF LRM , NERF LRM !

I'm sorry, but you clearly don't know how to use cover.

LRMs are the worst and weakest weapon in the game. You can shut them down with ECM, Radar Deprivation, AMS, or simply: stand behind a ROCK! No other weapon in the game has that many counters to it. You can easily get within their 180 meters minimum range, where their missiles deal (0) ZERO damage.

LRMs also spread damage too much. It takes over 440 LRMs to kill an atlas with stock armor. It takes less 8 shots with an AC 20, to do it in almost half the time.

[Kilo 40]

sneeking, on 27 July 2014 - 02:05 AM, said:

drop solo and see if it isn't

I only drop solo.

It isn't.

[Lykaon]

Greyboots, on 26 July 2014 - 08:12 PM, said:

Oh ECM I love you, Let me count the ways.

You stop working if you get NARCed, have someone with a BAP near you, have another ECM mech near you (who knows what the J button does), get Tagged, get spotted on seismics or shot by a PPC. Or aren't standing in cover (because it doesn't, despite popular belief, make you invisible and stuff like lasers, ACs, gauss rifles and PPCs remain hurty too).

Oh ECM how I love you

How you jam TAG within 180m making the TAG counter to ECM worthless.

I love how NARC needs to actually hit the mech ECM is on and how nearly every ECM mech is tiny and super fast.

I also love how ECM is unlimmited functioning with no ammo or requirement to aim yet,NARC and PPCs and ER-PPC require aiming and expend heat or ammo. I love that ECM doesn't tie me down with things like heat managment or ammo counts it's always there for me just 2 crits and 1.5 tons of mech super powers.

I especially love how ECM counters BAP's advantages out to 180m yet BAP only counters an ECM if the BAP is within 150m.It's super effective to have ECM with superior range than a counter measure!

ECM I love how you...

Counter NARC,TAG,Artemis and mech sensors,It's suoer awesome how ECM makes an entire mech company invisable to passive mech sensors with out the slightest tinnie weenie bit of effort it magicly happens! Lovely!

I also love how people believe really really hard that the pile of crap shoveled at us about ECM "Counter measures" being actual HARD counters to ECM actually makes it OK for ECM to give super powers to mechs within a THREEHUNDRED and SIXTY meter wide bubble just fine and balanced and swell.

I really love ECM and how it gave us a stillborn information warfare mechanic.

[Haxburch]

IraqiWalker, on 27 July 2014 - 02:18 AM, said:

I'm sorry, but you clearly don't know how to use cover.

LRMs are the worst and weakest weapon in the game. You can shut them down with ECM, Radar Deprivation, AMS, or simply: stand behind a ROCK! No other weapon in the game has that many counters to it. You can easily get within their 180 meters minimum range, where their missiles deal (0) ZERO damage.

LRMs also spread damage too much. It takes over 440 LRMs to kill an atlas with stock armor. It takes less 8 shots with an AC 20, to do it in almost half the time.

And? i dont care ! LRM is still the most used noob wapon wich destroy gameplay and make it unfun. You wanne nerf ECM ? Buy a dam TAG and learn to aim.I dont care about LRM and there are still alot more people want LRM get to hell then people against ECM . GOOD LUCKNERF LRM , NERF LRM !

[IraqiWalker]

sneeking, on 27 July 2014 - 02:38 AM, said:

every man n his dog brings lrm

That's not the meta though. Sneeking I love your posts, and I love your play style, and crazy builds.

However, not a single LRM was fired in the last tourney. The meta right now is still dominated by poptarting. LRMs are used a lot in solo dorps, and when dropping with some friends that can spot for you.

The system has too many drawbacks, counters and flaws.

[IraqiWalker]

Haxburch, on 27 July 2014 - 02:42 AM, said:

And? i dont care ! LRM is still the most used noob wapon wich destroy gameplay and make it unfun. You wanne nerf ECM ? Buy a dam TAG and learn to aim.I dont care about LRM and there are still alot more people want LRM get to hell then people against ECM . GOOD LUCKNERF LRM , NERF LRM !

"And?" Really? that's your answer?

LRMs are weak, and can't really work well at all. They don't have much of an impact on the game unless they are used against noobs. anyone with 2 brain cells can counter and absolutely shut down LRMs. Seriously, understand what people are telling you before you reply.

Not to mention that LRMs are not a noob weapon. They can be used easily, but using them CORRECTLY, requires a lot of skill. The fact that you don't understand that, is a problem you need to work on.

LRMs are actually fine, something most people who understand the game, basic mechanics and tactics agree on. Go watch ANY competitive match held within the last 4 months. If you see LRMs, come back and tell me. They are the weakest weapon in the game, and unless used against noobs, they don't do much.

[Cybersniper Vickers]

Zolaz, on 26 July 2014 - 08:00 PM, said:

Nothing breaks the game like ECM and PGI knows it. That is why you see it on so few mechs. If you are going to PUG it up and want to win, just take ECM mechs. Especially, if you are a "pilot" who doesnt break 200 damage each and every game. If you are one of those "pilots" feel free to help your team out and pick up some ECM, your W/L average will love you.

Hmmm. 180 meter ECM bubble, the Pug team scattered all over the place. Yeah, I see now how that ECM protects the entire team. Why by golly, I haven't been on the losing team in weeks now ! You betcha, winning side 100% of the time !
It's sooo easy and fool proof !
Not too mention I gots triple AMS ! Lasers, AC, MG, arty and air strikes, PPCs, NONE of that can do anything, thanks to ECM and AMS !! No wonder my W/L is 100% now !

Yep, you might as well QQ, cause no way you're gonna do any good people....

Edited by Cybersniper Vickers, 27 July 2014 - 02:51 AM.