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[Piney II]

Tharnes, on 31 July 2014 - 09:30 AM, said:

But them getting rolled real-money only mechs is a new thing. Its a huge difference.

OK.........I sort of see your point.

However.......

Even if the new player buys one of the Clan mechs, I seriously doubt he'll suddenly start dominating the battle. He'll more than likely keep getting beat up in his Clan certified killing machine due to his inexperience.

It's not the mechs that are killing the new players. Its their own inexperience.

Edited by Piney, 31 July 2014 - 09:46 AM.

[Vassago Rain]

Samual Kalkin, on 31 July 2014 - 09:36 AM, said:

I'm not a 2 year vet, and I'm not very good at MWO. Still, I can take on any clan heavy/assault in my NON-meta-optimized FatAss and win. It's not easy, but they are by no means unbeatable.

What I see is that the ballless playstyle of cowering and hoping the enemy is as ballless and makes the first mistake plays right into the strengths of the clan mechs.

I had 2 wins in the IS vs Clans, and both were teams that had balls and attacked instead of cowered. Both teams hit the flanks of the Clan mechs, and one absolutely pounded what was the Clan front when they all turned to hit the flank attack.

Here is what happens when a good player in an IS mech meets a good player in a clan mech.

1) he will hurt you for maximum damage instantly, because range advantage.
2) your puny guns don't have the range to attack back unless he's stupid enough to walk towards you.
3) 100,000 damage to my CT.
4) RED SMOKE target combo.
5) pic related.







The only option is to hide so they can't get the first strike.

[EarlGrey83]

Clan vs Is battles? Great

Now they only have to reduce the team size for clans from 12 to 10 how it should be.

CW can come

[Phaeric Cyrh]

EarlGrey83, on 31 July 2014 - 09:51 AM, said:

Clan vs Is battles? Great

Now they only have to reduce the team size for clans from 12 to 10 how it should be.

CW can come

Why will people keep piloting crappier mechs when they can just buy better ones? 12-10 may fix the "battle balance" but it does nothing to address the balance of the mechs.. People aren't going to keep using inferior tech even if you even out the numbers on each side to make it so the "matches" are more even.

I know if the only fix they come up with is to give the clan side less players, me and most everyone else will simply be buying clan mechs when they come out for C-bills.. Where will CW be then?

[Tharnes]

Phaeric Cyrh, on 31 July 2014 - 09:55 AM, said:

Where will CW be then?

Getting nerfed and instantly replaced by the next paywall-pack.
I guarantee it. they will not stop selling power-packs for real money.

[Samual Kalkin]

Vassago Rain, on 31 July 2014 - 09:48 AM, said:

Here is what happens when a good player in an IS mech meets a good player in a clan mech.

1) he will hurt you for maximum damage instantly, because range advantage.
2) your puny guns don't have the range to attack back unless he's stupid enough to walk towards you.
3) 100,000 damage to my CT.
4) RED SMOKE target combo.
5) pic related.

*pictures snipped for space saving*

The only option is to hide so they can't get the first strike.

As I said, I an NOT a good player. I do NOT run meta builds and play the cower and hope they make the first mistake sniping game.

Your precious meta-build cowering/sniping skill game plays right into the greatest strength of the clan mechs - their much greater firepower projection at range.

I am just a scrub who plays mostly short range builds and tries to close in nice and tight by being sneaky. I like to get close and force them into a brawl. A couple times, I've snuck up on meta build Jaegers and one alphaed them from behind in a a FatAss before.

I also proudly LRM-noob at times in my BLR-1S. I love it when I get cursed at for being a LRM-noob and can bait the oh-so-offended uber-1337-skilled players I have LRMed to death.

Edit:
I may suck at MWO, but I am proud to suck at playing MWO, while playing in the way I have fun doing it.

Edited by Samual Kalkin, 31 July 2014 - 10:07 AM.

[Vassago Rain]

Samual Kalkin, on 31 July 2014 - 10:05 AM, said:

As I said, I an NOT a good player. I do NOT run meta builds and play the cower and hope they make the first mistake sniping game.

Your precious meta-build cowering/sniping skill game plays right into the greatest strength of the clan mechs - their much greater firepower projection at range.

I am just a scrub who plays mostly short range builds and tries to close in nice and tight by being sneaky. I like to get close and force them into a brawl. A couple times, I've snuck up on meta build Jaegers and one alphaed them from behind in a a FatAss before.

I also proudly LRM-noob at times in my BLR-1S. I love it when I get cursed at for being a LRM-noob and can bait the oh-so-offended uber-1337-skilled players I have LRMed to death.

Edit:
I may suck at MWO, but I am proud to suck at playing MWO, while playing in the way I have fun doing it.

Here, this is my current prisonhawk build.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...d70115344cf7dbe

I get matched against LORDS and steel jags.

[Fyrerock]

Roland, on 30 July 2014 - 07:43 PM, said:

No dude, my statement is that your claim that the only reason the clams absolutely ROLLED the inner sphere mechs in basically every single game that anyone reported, isn't because the clan pilots are awesome is absurd. Instead, it is because the clan mechs people tend to play most (like the twolf), are extremely strong.

They didn't consistently stomp the inner sphere because they just happen to suddenly all be super awesome pilots.

My statements about pilot skill weren't that people piloting clan mechs are automatically bad. Rather i was pointing out that merely driving a clan mech doesn't mean you are automatically GOOD. Because there are tons of terrible pilots who bought clan mechs. There wasn't any skill test to hand over your cash for them.

For the hour I played during this time, not only did I feel that the IS players I was facing were not playing at the standard I observe most times, but many of the Clan mechs players were playing above my abilities. At the level I play many of the clan mechs will carry at least some LRM missiles, but I was seeing very little in the way of LRM from clan mechs. I never seen so much focus fire before or people moving together as a pack, and my scores were way below my normal average for a match.

Once I crested the ramp with 2 DW, 1TW, SC, nova against 3 IS mechs, and all the clan mechs were focus firing at one mech at a time, I almost never see that level of team play. None of the clan mechs tried to hide or wait and all had weapons that allowed them to brawl.

[TCUTONE]

WOW, I thought it was only me!!!!
Sense the last two patches I have been losing 9 out of 10 matches, yesterday I heard a clan team talk about how they were going to farm us, and surely they did.....

Time to give this game a rest for a few months until they start balancing things better.

[Samual Kalkin]

Vassago Rain, on 31 July 2014 - 10:09 AM, said:

Here, this is my current prisonhawk build.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...d70115344cf7dbe

I get matched against LORDS and steel jags.

That's nice, so you are an uber-1337 who faces competitive teams on their terms. Like I said, I'm just a scrub who doesn't play the meta-game builds.

You get ***** by the Clan mechs playing by their rules, and since I have no skill, I hold my own by not playing by their rules.

[Kell Commander]

Well, when you have an entire team of superior clan mechs fighting with what should be IS tactics, this shouldn't surprise anyone.

[Phaeric Cyrh]

Samual Kalkin, on 31 July 2014 - 10:31 AM, said:

That's nice, so you are an uber-1337 who faces competitive teams on their terms. Like I said, I'm just a scrub who doesn't play the meta-game builds.

You get ***** by the Clan mechs playing by their rules, and since I have no skill, I hold my own by not playing by their rules.

Pot, meet Kettle.. Kettle, say hi to Pot.

[Vassago Rain]

Samual Kalkin, on 31 July 2014 - 10:31 AM, said:

That's nice, so you are an uber-1337 who faces competitive teams on their terms. Like I said, I'm just a scrub who doesn't play the meta-game builds.

You get ***** by the Clan mechs playing by their rules, and since I have no skill, I hold my own by not playing by their rules.

No, I am one of most notable bad players in the game, and my main mechs are DDCs and banshees. Did you even look at my shadowhaw? It has a single LBX and a PPC.

[Zyllos]

Destruction of side torsos in XL engines should destroy the number of internal engine heatsinks rounded down.

This means a 250 rating XL will lose 5 DHS when losing a side torso. This seems a pretty good limiter and makes since with the lore.

Also, having a true Star vs Company battle would also help even out the odds.

But beyond this, I don't think much needs to happen with IS vs Clan. But I have yet to actually physically try this out so...

Edited by Zyllos, 31 July 2014 - 10:40 AM.

[Zypher]

Phaeric Cyrh, on 31 July 2014 - 09:55 AM, said:

Why will people keep piloting crappier mechs when they can just buy better ones? 12-10 may fix the "battle balance" but it does nothing to address the balance of the mechs.. People aren't going to keep using inferior tech even if you even out the numbers on each side to make it so the "matches" are more even.

I know if the only fix they come up with is to give the clan side less players, me and most everyone else will simply be buying clan mechs when they come out for C-bills.. Where will CW be then?

It can be balanced in such a way that the battles always favor the IS, only a good team makeup, in solo queue that would mean awesome luck, would allow the Clans to win. Something like a 55 / 45 in favor of the IS. This would equate to more money for IS players to fuel their Clan gear, and more satisfaction from winning matches in their IS mechs.

There could be plenty of ways to promote IS play, like cut down GXP gains from clan mechs by 66%.

Edited by Zypher, 31 July 2014 - 10:42 AM.

[Prezimonto]

We played a bunch of IS vs. Clan matches in Stock mech Wednesdays last night. Granted some were with Clan rules (focus one target at a time until the enemy breaks the rules).

But even still, if tonnage and players were equal up the fights were hard fought and went both ways. And that's with stock mechs, which seriously hinders the IS.

[Samual Kalkin]

Vassago Rain, on 31 July 2014 - 10:38 AM, said:

No, I am one of most notable bad players in the game, and my main mechs are DDCs and banshees. Did you even look at my shadowhaw? It has a single LBX and a PPC.

Aren't LORDS and Steel Jag top competitive teams? If you were really that bad, you wouldn't facing them. I've never seen anyone in any match that I could recognize as one or who claimed to be one, but I really do play in the scrub leagues. I LOL whenever anyone in match brags about how good they are and how much the rest of us suck. If the MM is putting them in a match with me, they can't be all that good.

Yep I looked at your mech, and all I can call that is some kind of oddball long range, maybe poptart, build. I sure isn't a medium or short range build of any kind. I've tried the LBX-10 and really do not like the weapon at all, but I guess you use it for the crit potential.

The D-DC is still my favorite mech. I have nearly 2000 matches in my D-DCs now myself.

I've tried all kinds of weapon combos, and now I use one of two possible setups

2xML
1xAC20
3xSRM4

2xML
1xAC10
3xSRM6

Since SRMs seem to be registering hits better with the fix, I've been using the 3xSRM6 lately.

But all of this aside, I do not own a single clan mech, and I do not see them as all that OH MY GOD CLANS ARE OP. They should be tougher than IS mechs. Really, Clan mechs should be even nastier than they are, but unfortunately, that would make for all kinds of screaming butt-hurt whining from people.

I refuse to play the cower and snipe poptart meta style, so I'm used to working around long range fire to hopefully force that in your face fight. By not playing the long range cower and snipe meta style, I do not find the Clans to be anywhere near as devastating as you apparently do.

Side note: By not humping one piece of cover forever to poptart, I don't get messed up by that scary orange smoke as often as people who do.

[MischiefSC]

Whoa whoa whoa.

Wait. Back up.

I spent MONEY.
That is just like skill, but better. It should directly relate to advantage over people who didnt spend as much or more.

If spending money doeant make me better than someone else, why would I spend money?

[Scratx]

MischiefSC, on 31 July 2014 - 11:38 AM, said:

Whoa whoa whoa.

Wait. Back up.

I spent MONEY.
That is just like skill, but better. It should directly relate to advantage over people who didnt spend as much or more.

If spending money doeant make me better than someone else, why would I spend money?

Because you want to play with shiny new toys before they're available to the grubby masses?

[Phaeric Cyrh]

MischiefSC, on 31 July 2014 - 11:38 AM, said:

Whoa whoa whoa.

Wait. Back up.

I spent MONEY.
That is just like skill, but better. It should directly relate to advantage over people who didnt spend as much or more.

If spending money doeant make me better than someone else, why would I spend money?

Most of us IS players spent money too.. I have spent over $100 on this game already.. So now I have to spend MORE if I want to be competitive? That just feels like extortion.

That is not only lame, but will make CW an absolute failure and spell the end to this game.

Edited by Phaeric Cyrh, 31 July 2014 - 11:51 AM.