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#41 Tharnes

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:29 AM

View PostWillard Phule, on 01 August 2014 - 09:27 AM, said:

Just nerf EVERYTHING then.

Quadruple everyone's armor, make ALL weapons do 1 point of damage at 10ft max range and make sure they all have ghost heat.

That way, noone gets killed, noone whines and all the noobs are happy.


Well, mods should lock this now I think.

#42 Mcgral18

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:35 AM

View PostTharnes, on 01 August 2014 - 09:29 AM, said:


Well, mods should lock this now I think.


I think the mods will just mock it for now.

#43 Ecrof

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:37 AM

View PostWillard Phule, on 01 August 2014 - 09:27 AM, said:

Just nerf EVERYTHING then.

Quadruple everyone's armor, make ALL weapons do 1 point of damage at 10ft max range and make sure they all have ghost heat.

That way, noone gets killed, noone whines and all the noobs are happy.



#44 Torgun

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:42 AM

View PostMcgral18, on 01 August 2014 - 09:35 AM, said:


I think the mods will just mock it for now.


I think the mods will mop up cash for the TW sales for now. Then when it releases for CBills, nerf it shortly afterwards. And then the next mech pack will somehow have another mech that slips through the balancing cracks and end up extremely good and will only be sold for real cash for a couple months. Then when it releases for CBills nerf it shortly afterwards. Rinse and repeat until there are too few whales falling for it.

Edited by Torgun, 01 August 2014 - 09:44 AM.


#45 WildeKarde

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:43 AM

TW can be very good but it's not a win button on legs. It will be available for cbills eventually as well, might as well say all heroes are P2W as they won't be available (even the pretty baby I suppose :rolleyes:). Unless everyone is wanting the mech nerfed to be sub par in performance, would you still buy one for cbills if it's a terrible mech?

Folk comparing their stats is a constant from their skill, they are showing that IS mechs can be as effective. A good pilot can make a TW into scrap, I've seen a spider with a PPC take out a TW (and atlas) solo.

Playing I'm more concerned seeing a stormcrow in the other team, I find them more deadly and they seem to score better on the results.

#46 Mcgral18

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:45 AM

View PostTorgun, on 01 August 2014 - 09:42 AM, said:


I think the mods will mop up cash for the TW sales for now. Then when it releases for CBills, nerf it shortly afterwards. And then the next mech pack will somehow have another mech that slips through the balancing cracks and end up extremely good and will only be sold for real cash for a couple months. Then when it releases for CBills nerf it shortly afterwards. Rinse and repeat until there are too few whales falling for it.


Eh, it dies fine, that's all that matters to me.

#47 Torgun

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:47 AM

View PostMcgral18, on 01 August 2014 - 09:45 AM, said:


Eh, it dies fine, that's all that matters to me.

I see very little matters to you then.

#48 Tharnes

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:48 AM

View PostTorgun, on 01 August 2014 - 09:42 AM, said:


I think the mods will mop up cash for the TW sales for now. Then when it releases for CBills, nerf it shortly afterwards. And then the next mech pack will somehow have another mech that slips throught the balancing cracks and end up extremely good and will only be sold for real cash for a couple months. Then when it releases for CBills nerf it shortly afterwards. Rinse and repeat until there are too few whales falling for it.


Jup this will happen. As soon as the last clans are out for C-Bills we will see a massive nerf to them, and a new package of awesome and broken Mechs will be ready behind a sweet fat paywall. And it works just fine, just look at the op and the massive number of Clans in the game.

But forum-mods? Rather blame the dev-team for this and players who fall for buying raw-power and are even endorsing it. Howerver it is the best way to kill a F2P game as quickly as possible.

Edited by Tharnes, 01 August 2014 - 09:51 AM.


#49 Tezcatli

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:50 AM

So clearly. The problem is the IS should be allowed to fight with 10 tons over each corresponding Clan mech. :3

#50 Angel of Annihilation

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:57 AM

View Postoldradagast, on 01 August 2014 - 06:22 AM, said:

Personal stats don't tell the whole story.

At top levels of play, which is more likely to be seen? A Battlemaster or a Timberwolf? I think we all know the answer to that, and it's not "Battlemaster."

Similarly, I have a higher kill to death ratio in my Awesome 8T (1.38) than in any of my Cataphracts (both at about 0.75), yet nobody with a straight face is going to say the Awesome is better than the Cataphract. For whatever reason, my Awesome has been performing well since the stat wipe, and my Catapracts feel badly out of place these days... but that's just me, and I'm sure the average person would do far better in a Cataphract than an Awesome any day of the week.

Different mechs work for different folks, luck factors in, and then there's hits to stats based on experimenting with new load-outs or trying to level a mech up. I assume your Battlemaster was fully leveled by the time you bought your Timberwolf, right? That makes a difference. Compare stats after they are both fully leveled and see what happens.


Valid argument honestly and one I have made myself. However, a personal comparison takes the skill factor out of the equation. My skill and experience at playing the game remains the same, only the mechs change.

View PostMonkey Lover, on 01 August 2014 - 06:47 AM, said:

try a heavy to heavy . My dire has the same kill ratio as your battlemaster.


This is also somewhat valid except as I outlined about, the Battlemaster and Timber Wolf are similar in loadout, armor and to extent speed. Also you mention that Dire Wolf as only having the same kill ratio as my Battlemaster, well that says something right there doesn't it. You have a supposedly OPed 100 ton Clan mech performing the same as an obsolete 85 ton IS mech.

Individual skill factors in here but comparing as 85 ton Battlemaster to a 100 ton Dire Wolf isn't even in the same ballpark.

View PostTorgun, on 01 August 2014 - 06:54 AM, said:

I think someone is a pretty bad TW pilot, or at least needs way more practice.


I am a founder that has been playing from back in Closed Beta so I am not some inexperienced noob. Also why would my skill be significantly different with the Timber Wolf than it is with the Battle Master? Sure perhaps a little different but it isn't going to be outstandingly different at least not enough to account for that big of difference.

Lastly, both mechs have similar builds. Battlemaster has a PPC paired with an AC/10 which is roughly comparable to the dual ER PPCs on the Timber Wolf. These primary weapons are supported by Medium lasers, 6 standard MLs at 5 damage each for the Battlemaster and Timber Wolf 4 C-ER ML at 7 damage each so 30 vs 28 damage. They are virtualy the same mechs except for shape and weapons range so it really like of boils down to a direct mech vs mech comparison.

#51 Mcgral18

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 10:07 AM

View PostTorgun, on 01 August 2014 - 09:47 AM, said:

I see very little matters to you then.


You seem very butthurt by this TW.

Why is that?

#52 Torgun

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 10:12 AM

View PostViktor Drake, on 01 August 2014 - 09:57 AM, said:


I am a founder that has been playing from back in Closed Beta so I am not some inexperienced noob. Also why would my skill be significantly different with the Timber Wolf than it is with the Battle Master? Sure perhaps a little different but it isn't going to be outstandingly different at least not enough to account for that big of difference.

Lastly, both mechs have similar builds. Battlemaster has a PPC paired with an AC/10 which is roughly comparable to the dual ER PPCs on the Timber Wolf. These primary weapons are supported by Medium lasers, 6 standard MLs at 5 damage each for the Battlemaster and Timber Wolf 4 C-ER ML at 7 damage each so 30 vs 28 damage. They are virtualy the same mechs except for shape and weapons range so it really like of boils down to a direct mech vs mech comparison.


I just remember your threads about how the Quickdraw was such a great mech in your opinion and worked wonders for you and how you're surprised why so few agreed with you. But let's face it. Overall it's a pretty crappy mech. I run a gimped mech a lot, my DRG-1C with 1000+ matches. I can make it work since I've a lot of experience and know what works and what does not. But never would I claim it's a great overall mech. I think you tend to focus a lot on what happens to suit your main playstyle and in the process lose track of what is objectively good or not.

View PostMcgral18, on 01 August 2014 - 10:07 AM, said:


You seem very butthurt by this TW.

Why is that?


I see how PGI is running a really bad business model to squeeze out money from players that they cater to, like you for instance. I fully understand you think it's perfectly fine. Personally I find it's getting worse and worse basically by each patch and feel it's right to comment on that.

#53 Mcgral18

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 10:17 AM

View PostTorgun, on 01 August 2014 - 10:12 AM, said:



I see how PGI is running a really bad business model to squeeze out money from players that they cater to, like you for instance. I fully understand you think it's perfectly fine. Personally I find it's getting worse and worse basically by each patch and feel it's right to comment on that.


Apparently we see different things.

#54 Torgun

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 10:19 AM

View PostMcgral18, on 01 August 2014 - 10:17 AM, said:


Apparently we see different things.


For sure, I guess you tend to keep buying mech packs, while I've never seen how any of them are even close to worth their asking price for a game that is still very much a beta.

#55 Ecrof

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 10:24 AM

View PostTorgun, on 01 August 2014 - 10:19 AM, said:


For sure, I guess you tend to keep buying mech packs, while I've never seen how any of them are even close to worth their asking price for a game that is still very much a beta.


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#56 Mcgral18

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 10:25 AM

View PostTorgun, on 01 August 2014 - 10:19 AM, said:


For sure, I guess you tend to keep buying mech packs, while I've never seen how any of them are even close to worth their asking price for a game that is still very much a beta.


I've only gotten the Nova and Cute Fox. Not a bad mech, but hitboxes are pretty poor. Cute Fox is...well, a Cute Fox.


I don't really mind the game, so I'll spend a little every year. It's better than many full release games I've bought. You can feel free not to buy anything.

#57 Torgun

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 10:27 AM

View PostEcrof, on 01 August 2014 - 10:24 AM, said:


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Sorry mate, I'm not the one getting it there. But some people don't even know when they're being milked like a cow.

#58 Tharnes

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 10:31 AM

View PostTorgun, on 01 August 2014 - 10:27 AM, said:


Sorry mate, I'm not the one getting it there. But some people don't even know when they're being milked like a cow.


Well "players" like that simply don't care, as long as they win easy enough for the money their spent.
No moral or foresight.

#59 Ecrof

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 10:32 AM

View PostTorgun, on 01 August 2014 - 10:27 AM, said:


Sorry mate, I'm not the one getting it there. But some people don't even know when they're being milked like a cow.


Sorry I act like a 12 year old on the internet.

#60 Torgun

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 10:33 AM

View PostEcrof, on 01 August 2014 - 10:32 AM, said:


Sorry I act like a 12 year old on the internet.


No worries, it's not my first day on the wonderful world wide web.



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