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[Troy Gardenhire]

Trevor Belmont, on 07 August 2014 - 03:54 AM, said:

Why no Starslayer? http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Starslayer

Maybe because of these highlighted Info in the third Version (taken from Sarna.net):
STY-3Dr A HEAVY PPC forms the main gun for this variant. A Guardian ECM Suite disrupts any C3 Networks in the area. Turning the heat of the PPC into an asset, the Starslayer uses Tripple Strenght Myomer to inflict heavy damage at close range. Light Ferro Fibrous armor protects this 'Mech.
All the things in bold letters are not yet included in the game.

Unikron, on 07 August 2014 - 03:54 AM, said:

What is Macross and why not adding 4-legged mechs?

Regarding Macross please take a look here: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Unseen

Hans Von Lohman, on 06 August 2014 - 12:28 PM, said:

Those are Comstar mechs. We don't talk about Comstar loonies around here.

But we have already the HGN Highlander, so why not talk about the rest?

[M3 SABLE]

Troy Gardenhire, on 07 August 2014 - 04:18 AM, said:

Maybe because of these highlighted Info in the third Version (taken from Sarna.net):
STY-3Dr A HEAVY PPC forms the main gun for this variant. A Guardian ECM Suite disrupts any C3 Networks in the area. Turning the heat of the PPC into an asset, the Starslayer uses Tripple Strenght Myomer to inflict heavy damage at close range. Light Ferro Fibrous armor protects this 'Mech.
All the things in bold letters are not yet included in the game.



Regarding Macross please take a look here: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Unseen



But we have already the HGN Highlander, so why not talk about the rest?

So Unseen are mechs that were ripped from from Anime?

[CDLord HHGD]

Unikron, on 07 August 2014 - 04:36 AM, said:

So Unseen are mechs that were ripped from from Anime?

The designs were sold to different publishers at the same time without exclusivity. Harmony Gold however wants exclusivity and though it would lose a court fight, they have enough money to keep the issue in litigation until everyone else runs our of money to litigate with.

Personally, I boycott everything Harmony Gold (except what I already own like the Robotech RPG from Palladium Books, a good resource for the unseen designs).

[Malleus011]

Losing the Unseen heavies really hurts the IS heavy 'mech line.

Warhammer - 70 ton Twin PPC main battle 'mech; with a raft of hard points.
Archer - 70 ton Twin LRM20 fire support 'mech, with all the missiles.
Crusader - 65 ton Mixed-use missile 'mech with LRM, SRM, and support weapons.
Marauder - 75 ton Slightly bigger non humanoid Warhammer with a perfect meta setup.
Rifleman - 60 a slightly smaller Jagermech (The Firebrand is a Rifleman Clone)

There's also the two Ost-series 'mechs, which nobody loves.

Inclusion of those 'mechs would really beef up the IS 3025 line. But of course nobody wants to risk Harmony Gold's lawyers, even with all new art.

[Livewyr]

Did you not mention the Crusader?

Or am I just blind?

[Strum Wealh]

Ovion, on 06 August 2014 - 11:42 PM, said:

No, it's not hard to make up variants.

But PGI hasn't, they've been quite strict in only using stock variants for the base of each chasis.

Hence those are the rules for what mechs can make it into the game:

Must be available in current year (3049).
Must have 3 stock variants.
Variants available cannot use Experimental tech.

Yeonne Greene, on 07 August 2014 - 03:39 AM, said:

You know what I find odd about the "no experimental tech" rule? The BJ-1X was experimental tech. It was the prototype for the whole line. So...why is it in the game?

I'm fairly sure that by "experimental", Ovion is referring to what BattleTech calls "Level 3" tech in its Rules Level system.

• "Advanced Rules Equipment is in production "in universe" but have rules too complex for Tournament Play. This has a very rough correspondence to Rules Level 2 Equipment that was too complex for Tournaments."
  
• "Experimental Rules Equipment is being prototyped or has gone out of production. There is a very rough correspondence to Rules Level 3 Equipment. They are also considered rare and exotic technology which are considered to be not for use for Standard & Tournament game play."

The Rules Level for most items is listed on Sarna.net's Weapons & Equipment Lists.

[Malleus011]

Yep, the Crusader is in there.

I often think of these missing machines and their hard point layouts, especially on Stock Mech Mondays. There aren't that many good PPC heavies in the game stock - the K2 is your strongest option, and I'd much rather have a WHM-6D.

The Warhammer series would offer us a lot. The stock 6R would have at least six E hard points across arms and torso halves, an M hard point, and twin B hard points. Stock armor is thin but that's easily fixed. (I'd also really, really like the spotlight!). Whatever other models they chose (and there are plenty) you'd get a broad hard point selection. Warhammers trend energy heavy, but they'd be fun. (You can kind of build one from an Orion, but with fewer hard points)

Archers should be in the sweet spot for a missile 'mech. Twin LRM20 and quad ML feels a bit like an up gunned C1 Cat, but the missiles are torso mounted and a little harder to lose. Variants are all broadly similar; missile and laser. But oh, I'd like to drive on stock. (You can kind of make one with a C1 Cat).

The Crusader is one I really miss. Missiles in the arms *and* legs, energy in the arms, ballistics in the arms. A JJ variant. In some ways it's a lot like a Catapult, with the big weapons vulnerable in the arms. But I still want one. (No good hard point match; a C4 can mimic the L model, but nothing much else).

The Rifleman is the only one we really 'have' because of the Jagermech. The Firebrand is basically a Rifleman's hard points.

The Marauder - everybody wishes we had the Marauder. Energy heavy arms, Ballistic in the torso ... you could build it outta Mad Cat and Catapult bits. A high-mounted ballistic would make it popular. And it's a Marauder. (You can build one from an ON-1K, but it's not really the same)

Yeah. Miss these chassis a lot. Even if we had to take them with radically different art, I'd still love to have them in-game.

[Y E O N N E]

Strum Wealh, on 07 August 2014 - 06:57 AM, said:

I'm fairly sure that by "experimental", Ovion is referring to what BattleTech calls "Level 3" tech in its Rules Level system.

• "Advanced Rules Equipment is in production "in universe" but have rules too complex for Tournament Play. This has a very rough correspondence to Rules Level 2 Equipment that was too complex for Tournaments."
  
• "Experimental Rules Equipment is being prototyped or has gone out of production. There is a very rough correspondence to Rules Level 3 Equipment. They are also considered rare and exotic technology which are considered to be not for use for Standard & Tournament game play."

The Rules Level for most items is listed on Sarna.net's Weapons & Equipment Lists.

Interesting. While it is a Tech 2 'Mech, does the BJ-1X not qualify as being out of production on account of never having been in production to begin with? The Blackjack is a Star League-era design, and the BJ-1X was the prototype for it. It never saw action, it was a demo product for GM to pitch at the SLDF.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Metal Gear Rex...He even has a nuclear rail gun. I don't know the tonnage.

[Strum Wealh]

Yeonne Greene, on 07 August 2014 - 07:29 AM, said:

Interesting. While it is a Tech 2 'Mech, does the BJ-1X not qualify as being out of production on account of never having been in production to begin with? The Blackjack is a Star League-era design, and the BJ-1X was the prototype for it. It never saw action, it was a demo product for GM to pitch at the SLDF.

The BJ-1X, itself, is actually labeled as being under the Introductory/Basic rule set - the same rule set as the BJ-1 itself.
Also, the BJ-1X apparently went into production in 2769, over a decade after the BJ-1 started production (in 2757).

By contrast, each of BJ2-OR, BJ2-OU, and BJ2-OX are under the Experimental rule set (and are labeled as such).

[Y E O N N E]

Weird. It come across as the rules being in conflict with the fluff.

[Satan n stuff]

Hans Von Lohman, on 06 August 2014 - 12:28 PM, said:

I have to say that the 40 ton range is sorely lacking in MWO right now. We could really use another little medium that is fast, in particular the Assassin looks good to me.

That Hatchetman probably can be taken off the list. Everyone would riot if we get a Hatchetman without getting a melee attack for it as well.

I want to have competion for the Cicada, and I never liked the appearance of the Cicada.

Any particular reason you want to see any of these before the others?



Those are Comstar mechs. We don't talk about Comstar loonies around here.

The mercenary unit from MW4:Black Knight had a... well a Black Knight.

Viktor Drake, on 06 August 2014 - 12:35 PM, said:

Hatamoto-Chi may be derived from the Charger but it is basically a re-skinned Thug. Thug is a better looking mech in my opinion.

The Thug also doesn't have nearly enough weapons to get a decent hardpoint layout without a lot of additions and it has the exact same number and type of weapons on the appropriate variants, so adding it to the MWO lineup would force PGI to do something with it it can't normally do, probably by doubling or tripling some of the hardpoints.
Then there's the lack of available variants, two are available, the 11E ( lostech ) and the 10E, with the only other appropriate variant ( the 11Eb ) being exclusive to the SLDF Royal Brigades, meaning they're more or less extinct.

Edited by Satan n stuff, 07 August 2014 - 08:25 AM.

[BourbonFaucet]

cdlord, on 07 August 2014 - 04:45 AM, said:

The designs were sold to different publishers at the same time without exclusivity. Harmony Gold however wants exclusivity and though it would lose a court fight, they have enough money to keep the issue in litigation until everyone else runs our of money to litigate with.

I keep hoping that one of these days HG will pick a legal fight with the wrong company and get completely wrecked.

[Hans Von Lohman]

Troy Gardenhire, on 07 August 2014 - 04:18 AM, said:

But we have already the HGN Highlander, so why not talk about the rest?

Because I am being polite. The point of the post was just what the title says. These are the 3025 mechs. I don't want to sound like I don't care, but most 2750 designs are pretty butt ugly and I don't have fond memories of them.

If people want to go off topic and talk about the 2750 mechs, it really isn't that difficult to just go and make a new post, right?

[Strum Wealh]

Techorse, on 07 August 2014 - 08:21 AM, said:

I keep hoping that one of these days HG will pick a legal fight with the wrong company and get completely wrecked.

Many were hoping that would be the case when HG tried to pick a fight with Hasbro.
Alas, 'twasn't to be...

[CDLord HHGD]

Strum Wealh, on 07 August 2014 - 09:33 AM, said:

Many were hoping that would be the case when HG tried to pick a fight with Hasbro.
Alas, 'twasn't to be...

Beat me to it.....