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[Khobai]

Victors not the first extinct mech in the game and certainly wont be the last.

But id rather it be extinct than overpowered

[Davers]

And yet the Victor is still the go to assault in competitive play. Even with all the nerfs nothing comes close.

*one comp player did say in a unrestricted weight environment the Highlander would still be the go to mech. It must be true, a comp player said so.

[Davers]

Mcgral18, on 07 August 2014 - 11:36 AM, said:

WubShee agrees, but it accepts the risks for MOAR WUB.

And internal heatsinks. Those darn Hand and LA actuators get in the way.



Let me guess, you're whining about a 75 tonner with an XL375 as well?

I thought we were talking about Victors?
But we sure do see a lot of 75 tonners with XL 375s don't we? Kind of like how we saw Vuctors pre nerf.

Edited by Davers, 07 August 2014 - 12:32 PM.

[Ultimax]

Davers, on 07 August 2014 - 12:27 PM, said:

And yet the Victor is still the go to assault in competitive play. Even with all the nerfs nothing comes close.

That's because (most) comp players won't play mechs without Jump Jets, and because the highlander was nerfed even worse than the Victor was (torso twist speed is actually equal, but the sum of all nerfs with 2 ton Jump Jets was overall worse).

Are you a comp player? If not, what do you actually care what they play?

This is why I don't like to trot out what comp players are doing, in the tiny niche universe they occupy - a game that most of us are not even remotely playing:

https://yourlogicalf...al-to-authority

Edited by Ultimatum X, 07 August 2014 - 12:44 PM.

[Davers]

Ultimatum X, on 07 August 2014 - 12:40 PM, said:

That's because (most) comp players won't play mechs without Jump Jets, and because the highlander was nerfed even worse than the Victor was (torso twist speed is actually equal, but the sum of all nerfs with 2 ton Jump Jets was overall worse).

Are you a comp player? :

[Lol.url="https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority"]https://yourlogicalf...al-to-authority[/url]

I didn't realize I was speaking with an expert.
Your graphs only show that mechs with Jjs have worse base stats than mechs that don't. They don't show all the additional benefits JJs bring.

[Mcgral18]

Davers, on 07 August 2014 - 12:54 PM, said:

I didn't realize I was speaking with an expert.
Your graphs only show that mechs with Jjs have worse base stats than mechs that don't. They don't show all the additional benefits JJs bring.

Hover jets mean you MIGHT be able to get over that rock you're stuck on, if you spend 5 seconds jetting over it.

Other mechs have to walk around it, spending about the same time.


Generally, Hover Jets aren't worth the tonnage. HGNs are just sad.

[Cest7]

I read "Game near extinction"

[MonkeyCheese]

So I can play my ac20 2LL victor more now since the mech is considered extinct?

[Ace Selin]

Mott, on 07 August 2014 - 08:54 AM, said:

lol
This is very true. I dropped beside one a couple weeks ago and i literally had to do a double take to even identify what it was. A pretty rare sight indeed.

May have been me, i still pilot my Highlanders and do quite well.

[Lightfoot]

Darth Bane001, on 07 August 2014 - 09:01 AM, said:

It's true I have seen lest victores but awesome are everywhere due to the buff.

We are just testing the Awesome because we are die hards. It's not as good as the Victor is right now.

[Graugger]

Well if Victors are still the go to mech obviously they still need moar nerfs.

Perhaps and additional 10% reduction in torso twist and another 15% reduction in turn speed.

[Mechteric]

Almond Brown, on 07 August 2014 - 09:55 AM, said:

Can I get 1 crappy JJ for my Stalkers please. Just 1 crappy one is all I ask.

Complaining about Mechs with JJ being bad! That is new low in Trolling, even for this place. You should be ******* ashamed...

Stalkers have amazing hardpoints and are tough sons of <female mechs>, as such they are balanced around not having jump jets.

Mechs with jump jets are balanced around having the extra mobility, likely at the cost of weapons hard points or other factors

So no I'm not **** ashamed, nor ******* ashamed to say that jump jets should be good because otherwise mechs that were designed with jump jets in mind may as well just not take jump jets at all and suffer from their imbalance due to not being able to rely on mobility in the way they were designed to.


Next thing you know people are going to be ******* ashamed of Eagles who have a broken wing and can't fly just because there are flightless birds out there. Troll that.

Edited by CapperDeluxe, 08 August 2014 - 06:58 AM.

[Malleus011]

Hey, Victors still suck, JJ's still suck, but at least they nerfed PPC's to near uselessness.

*sigh*

[Tw1stedMonkey]

And nothing of value was lost. May maggots feast on that festering coward of a mech's remains.

[Mcgral18]

Tw1stedMonkey, on 08 August 2014 - 08:10 AM, said:

And nothing of value was lost. May maggots feast on that festering coward of a mech's remains.

I think someone might be butthurt about poptarts.

Yet wants to kill one of the best brawling mechs....how strange.

[Adiuvo]

The hell is this thread

Victors... bad... like wtf i dont think we're playing the same game at all.

[Duke Hector]

who cares the victors was always a POS mech anyways. bullets and energy weapons ONLY in the arms and no where else? what could possibly go wrong if they get shot off.....

you want the big gun in the arm that get the highlander 733 you get 10 more tons and better loadout spots

and they should have used the Zeus instead of the Victor anyways

Edited by Dan the Ice Man, 08 August 2014 - 09:14 AM.

[Ngamok]

Adiuvo, on 08 August 2014 - 08:20 AM, said:

The hell is this thread

Victors... bad... like wtf i dont think we're playing the same game at all.

Time to bust out the AC/20 + 2 PPC Victors boys.

[Artillery Witch Viridia]

Adiuvo, on 08 August 2014 - 08:20 AM, said:

The hell is this thread

Victors... bad... like wtf i dont think we're playing the same game at all.

Obviously you are not. This is the steering wheel underhive thread for people who think Victors are bad. Honestly I hope pgi doesn't balance Clans vs. Inner Sphere based on people who can't even pilot a Victor. Let alone use all the rest of the garbage tier non comp inner sphere mechs then call the clans OP.

[Graugger]

Victors still being used? Nerf them, nerf them all! Mwaa mwaaa hahahahaha!

-.-