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[A banana in the tailpipe]

Bulletsponge0, on 09 August 2014 - 05:55 PM, said:

I wanna know how a DW and an Atlas met up 30 seconds into a match.... what map was it? River city seems like the only possibility here, and even then, not likely...

It's very likely on River City if the match mode is Assault. The base lance by citidel and the lance across from it can start firing at each other the moment the match starts.

[Mcgral18]

TB Freelancer, on 09 August 2014 - 06:01 PM, said:

No!

He stared it down for at least 5.6 seconds if not longer.

I've killed a 100% fresh atlas in the past with one alpha, actually I've done it on numerous occasions, particularly against the ones stupid enough to stand square to me and barely move. Zoom in. Aim for the eye.

I'm a good DW pilot and I've gotta say. A fresh atlas takes a few solid alhpas before I can take it down, CERML alone just aren't enough. Usually I'll neuter it first because its more effective, sometimes I get lucky and it was carrying ammo or an XL and I get a surprise kill instead of tearing half of it off.

I'm saying the lasers themselves had a minimum of 1.3 seconds, or 2 seconds for cERLLs, on top of recycles. And he did that twice.

The poor thing probably thought the atlas was the best mech he could buy...

[Wintersdark]

Kaeb Odellas, on 09 August 2014 - 06:00 PM, said:

Torso twisting means you're not pointing yourself at the enemy, which means you're not shooting at the enemy.

It's also very easy for them to simply wait for you to twist back to return fire, and then shoot you. Or shoot you with just one of its 10 weapon systems to trick you into thinking it's safe to twist back.

If you're in an Atlas vs. a Direwolf, your goal is to make him move so your allies can kill him easily. You don't bother twisting back to shoot; unless you're just popping off SRM's/AC20/etc - even if he does wait then fire, 1.3s ERML burns will get spread. Just twist to absorb as much fire as possible.

It's not like Atlas vs. Direwolf is the only really lopsided matchup in the game.

[nehebkau]

Actually the team was there, and they all were WTF, then we proceeded to die just as quickly.

[Mcgral18]

nehebkau, on 09 August 2014 - 06:12 PM, said:

Actually the team was there, and they all were WTF, then we proceeded to die just as quickly.

Instead of shooting? Dire Whales die pretty easily.

[TB Freelancer]

Mcgral18, on 09 August 2014 - 06:07 PM, said:

The poor thing probably thought the atlas was the best mech he could buy...

LOL yeah probably, but I'd rather deal with a wannabe DDC pilot over the wannabe 3Ls I keep seeing.

Watched a guy earlier today run around for minutes on end trying to get position on the enemy, fired maybe 2 shots in 6 minutes while the enemy kept peppering him with shots. Needless to say he died after running at least 7 minutes down on the clock.

Edited by TB Freelancer, 09 August 2014 - 06:14 PM.

[nehebkau]

Lord Perversor, on 09 August 2014 - 05:48 PM, said:

While is still possible to perform such a killing alpha. the Atlas choose to remain fully stationary.
a bit of Torso twist may leave the Atlas higly damaged but fully operational vs a shutdown direwolf who should take 4 secs to turn on again.

Upon the premise of a Dual Gauss+ 8x Cerml build

BTW the DWF didn`t shut down, trundled on and took out 3 more in rapid succession.

And it was HPG underside and the Atlas`ERLLs had barely finished discharging and SRMs impacted when the next enemy shot came inbound.

Ya`ll say, torso twist but the reality of it was:
Both Meet, walking towards (come around a corner)
Both Shoot
Clan`s shot cycle finishes first,
DDC Shot cycle finishes starts turning
Clan shoots
DDC dead.

Edited by nehebkau, 09 August 2014 - 06:20 PM.

[Heeden]

nehebkau, on 09 August 2014 - 06:14 PM, said:

BTW the DWF didn`t shut down, trundled on and took out 3 more in rapid succession.

What were you doing? That's 4 mechs staring down a Direwolf for the best part of a minute...

[nehebkau]

Heeden, on 09 August 2014 - 06:18 PM, said:

What were you doing? That's 4 mechs staring down a Direwolf for the best part of a minute...

I think the others were kinda in shock at seeing the ddc drop in what could be construed, in a PUG, as an instant.

[Mcgral18]

nehebkau, on 09 August 2014 - 06:21 PM, said:

I think the others were kinda in shock at seeing the ddc drop in what could be construed, in a PUG, as an instant.

An instant being nearly 6 seconds.


Are you going to add to the discussion, or just add fuel to the fire?

[Wintersdark]

nehebkau, on 09 August 2014 - 06:21 PM, said:

I think the others were kinda in shock at seeing the ddc drop in what could be construed, in a PUG, as an instant.

So 4 bad players being bad.

[Ph30nix]

nehebkau, on 09 August 2014 - 06:14 PM, said:

BTW the DWF didn`t shut down, trundled on and took out 3 more in rapid succession.

And it was HPG underside and the Atlas`ERLLs had barely finished discharging and SRMs impacted when the next enemy shot came inbound.

Ya`ll say, torso twist but the reality of it was:
Both Meet, walking towards (come around a corner)
Both Shoot
Clan`s shot cycle finishes first,
DDC Shot cycle finishes starts turning
Clan shoots
DDC dead.

only way he wouldn't have shut down is if he used a cool shot even then it wouldnt have finished off enough heat to allow him to fire again very fast.

I wish they would let people try the clan mechs for a day just so they could say.... oh this thing has issues.
but anyways another thing is the cycle time is faster for IS weapons then clan weapons when it comes to beam weapons.


most points on this have been coverd but i also have to add one thing

NO MECH SHOULD EVERY ATTEMPT TO GO FACE TO FACE WITH A DIREWOLF.


I dont care if you are another direwolf or any other assault The only reason for the direwolf to exist is to unleash as much pain as possible on other mechs. If you find yourself face to face with one you have only yourself to blame, you didnt have enough situational awareness to know one was coming, you weren't watching your surroundings, and most of all YOU STOPPED MOVING!!!!!

i dont mean don't try to one on one them, i mean use your brain and stay out of his cone of fire as much as possible, If you can get behind him one-2 alphas to the CT and he is dead, or you can take out a side torso and remove half his weapons.

Edited by Ph30nix, 09 August 2014 - 06:26 PM.

[nehebkau]

Dirkdaring, on 09 August 2014 - 05:54 PM, said:

Stopped right there. No it didn't. Not unless the direwolf was friendly...

So maybe it was 40 second or 45 seconds.... still they were both undamaged, first encounter. Jeez, from that logic if someone says the sky is blue then you say no, its black therefore the sky didn`t happen

Edited by nehebkau, 09 August 2014 - 06:26 PM.

[Heeden]

nehebkau, on 09 August 2014 - 06:21 PM, said:

I think the others were kinda in shock at seeing the ddc drop in what could be construed, in a PUG, as an instant.

Ah the old "rabbit in headlights" tactic, I've lost many a Centurion to it :-(

Still, the Wolf must have had a long time to focus on the Atlas's CT without any sort of reaction. Are you sure it didn't have backup, or take out a ST and the Atlas chose an XL (or maybe they stripped all their armour for bigger guns)?

[nehebkau]

Wintersdark, on 09 August 2014 - 06:23 PM, said:

So 4 bad players being bad.

It was a pug

Heeden, on 09 August 2014 - 06:26 PM, said:

Ah the old "rabbit in headlights" tactic, I've lost many a Centurion to it :-(

Still, the Wolf must have had a long time to focus on the Atlas's CT without any sort of reaction. Are you sure it didn't have backup, or take out a ST and the Atlas chose an XL (or maybe they stripped all their armour for bigger guns)?

Nope, talked about it had a standard 320 engine, ac 20, 2 erlls and 4 srms and maxed his armor. Honestly, it was fast, really fast. Much the same as you would expect a 5-year old getting punched by mike tyson in his prime.

The Atlas was moving and trying to turn out of the way but the fire was just too quick. I would have to say that the other pilot was a good aim too, not to diminsh that, however, when you have that type of disparity you end up with a hostile game environment, specially considering that you have to use real money to get the DWF. Unchecked, you end up with the same type of meta BS you see in group play where everyone is piloting the same 3 types of mechs and people just leaving the game because they don`t have the current meta.

Edited by nehebkau, 09 August 2014 - 06:35 PM.

[Asmudius Heng]

The heavier the IS mech the more vulnerable to clan weapons they are. Big and slow means the clan burn time and multi shot disadvantage is mitigated more.

It's becoming less forgiving for IS assault pilots against clan tech. That being said this atlas pilot needs to realise a Daishi is not a mech you stand in front of in general alone ...

[Joseph Mallan]

nehebkau, on 09 August 2014 - 05:36 PM, said:

So,
A DDC ran into a direwolf about 30 seconds into the game. 3 seconds elapsed and the atlas DDC was dead. The DDC had 105 CT armor. The DWF was boating CERMLs and alpha'd twice. Does that sound reasonable? Not from an 'is it possible' standpoint (because this actually happened) but from a 'is this where the game should be' standpoint.

I mean, if you think this is reasonable, then, why not just give everyone the same weapon, same mech, and play 1-hit kills? Or at leas that's my opinion.

The 'Im an uber player' DWF pilot was streaming it on twitch and surely enjoying how great they were in their new meta build, finishing with 147 points.

BTW, PGI, GameID=460786310788334300 if you wanna check your logs.

Unfortunately PGI will probably respond by nerfing the CERML rather than addressing the stupidity that is convergence -- am I right?

I drive a D-DC... I only die that fast when Tangling with 4 or more enemy (Omni)Mechs.

[nehebkau]

Asmudius Heng, on 09 August 2014 - 06:33 PM, said:

The heavier the IS mech the more vulnerable to clan weapons they are. Big and slow means the clan burn time and multi shot disadvantage is mitigated more.

It's becoming less forgiving for IS assault pilots against clan tech. That being said this atlas pilot needs to realise a Daishi is not a mech you stand in front of in general alone ...

As i said, it was a `round the corner and there he is` encounter.

[Lord Perversor]

nehebkau, on 09 August 2014 - 06:14 PM, said:

BTW the DWF didn`t shut down, trundled on and took out 3 more in rapid succession.

And it was HPG underside and the Atlas`ERLLs had barely finished discharging and SRMs impacted when the next enemy shot came inbound.

Ya`ll say, torso twist but the reality of it was:
Both Meet, walking towards (come around a corner)
Both Shoot
Clan`s shot cycle finishes first,
DDC Shot cycle finishes starts turning
Clan shoots
DDC dead.

I call bullshit a 8 x Cerml Direwolf be able to do this alone without Heat issues... 2 Alphas possibles 3 onwards in quick succesion i can tell you it isn't even if all the rest of it's tonnage it's just pure DHS even alternating 4 then 4 to avoid Ghost heat.

[Heeden]

It's just not adding up though, assuming the Atlas had over 50 front armour it should take more than 2 volleys from 8 x CERMLas and that's with literally every moment being focused on the Atlas's centre torso; the time it takes for that to happen the four mechs present should have ripped the DW apart, or at least taken an ST out.