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[Surface Detail]

This is a crazy idea but given how the clans like to fight, wouldn't it be cool if the "last man standing" could systematically challenge the other team peeps to duels? And actually have that come in as a game mechanic that couldn't be spoiled?

[RussianWolf]

unfortunately, They have specified that giving up their position is griefing now (even if its an AFK and I'd assume DC, I'm not risking it), so all you have is insults to throw at them.

But yeah, if they are fighting or trying to win, give them the time.

If there is 30 seconds left, let them save their hide.

If they are just hiding with no hope with 5 minutes to go, insult away.

[AssaultPig]

If the last man standing is actually attempting to fight or otherwise win the match, there's nothing wrong with that and I can't remember ever seeing any 'team treason' occur in that situation.

But if the last person alive is just hiding or shut down in a corner in a game they has no hope of winning, they deserve to get shouted out. That kind of behavior isn't useful or sportsmanlike and it's unfortunate that PGI have decided to defend it.

[Slepnir]

There is no such thing as wasting time. the matches are 15 minutes. and every match includes the rule-when the timer runs out-
Players who are alive are not obligated to give the enemy free xp and cbills for an easy kill, they are also not obligated to commit suicide for your pleasure.

The game i still on for them and they can play it however they like.

You as the dead player can always quit match and drop in another match with a different mech, if your in such a hurry. you can stay and watch cheering them on or you can shut up and wait.

what you cannot do is commit team treason and report their location to the enemy.

that gets you reported and eventually banned from the game at lest temporarily at first. it also creates bad blood with other players who you may need to rely on in another match.

Edited by Slepnir, 27 August 2014 - 05:50 PM.

[Mobile Ordnance Platform]

another option is to put on a rave show for all ur viewers

torso twist like crazy while running circles toggling your thermal and night vision as fast you can while zooming in and out as fast as possible firing all weapons randomly on chain fire

sometimes the intrigued enemy team will watch you in abject confusion while your own spectators experience severe epileptic fits until you explode in fabulous style

you will be remembered for your fashion statement, bonus points for having eye-bleeding bright and conflicting paint job on your mech

[Mystere]

[redacted]

Seriously, which part of "It's within the rules" do people not -- or refuse to -- understand?

Edited by Egomane, 28 August 2014 - 12:26 AM.
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[Dirty Starfish]

Mystere, on 27 August 2014 - 05:54 PM, said:

Seriously, which part of "It's within the rules" do people not -- or refuse to -- understand?

If the law ordered you to jump off of a bridge would you do it?

Yes, it is within your right to shut down and hide for five minutes but that doesn't make it any less of a **** move to the enemy team. We are here to play stompy battlemechs not hide and seek.

[Mystere]

Serial Peacemaker, on 27 August 2014 - 06:32 PM, said:

If the law ordered you to jump off of a bridge would you do it?

False analogies are the refuge of the [redacted].

[RussianWolf]

Serial Peacemaker, on 27 August 2014 - 06:32 PM, said:

If the law ordered you to jump off of a bridge would you do it?

Yes, it is within your right to shut down and hide for five minutes but that doesn't make it any less of a **** move to the enemy team. We are here to play stompy battlemechs not hide and seek.

Well....recent events considered.... the jump may not kill me.

[Mercules]

[redacted]

Match time limit is 15 minutes. When you launch you know the match could possibly go 15 minutes. Is that concept hard to grasp?

You played, you died, the people still alive didn't. I'm not going to say they were better or anything, but what is true is that the game isn't over for them and you interfering with it is against the rules.

Not all of us are "acting out" as you put it. Some of us would like to get a kill, component destruction, or something else out of the match. If we are in a light we sometimes have to wait for the right circumstances and so the big slow Assault and "I can rush in." heavies end up dead before the point where the light can make his play and pick off the damaged mechs that have pulled back form the front. I'm not going to stop my game just because you managed to get yourself killed and can't wait to repeat your mistake in the next match.

Serial Peacemaker, on 27 August 2014 - 06:32 PM, said:

If the law ordered you to jump off of a bridge would you do it?

Yes, it is within your right to shut down and hide for five minutes but that doesn't make it any less of a **** move to the enemy team. We are here to play stompy battlemechs not hide and seek.

Actually, some of us are here to play a war sim and when you are outnumbered hit and run tactics as well as guerilla warfare is the primary got to, not, "Just go fight so we can derp into the enemy again and hope the outcome is different."

Edited by Egomane, 28 August 2014 - 12:27 AM.
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[Dirty Starfish]

Mercules, on 27 August 2014 - 08:51 PM, said:

Actually, some of us are here to play a war sim and when you are outnumbered hit and run tactics as well as guerilla warfare is the primary got to, not, "Just go fight so we can derp into the enemy again and hope the outcome is different."

I'm fine with people actively maneuvering and trying to scrape some extra damage. My problem is with the people who shut down and hide in some obscure corner just to sit there for the rest of the match.

Mystere, on 27 August 2014 - 06:39 PM, said:

False analogies are the refuge of the [redacted].

Ad hominem is the last resort of the loser who knows he has lost.

Edit: To be fair, that was a pretty bad analogy.

Edited by Serial Peacemaker, 27 August 2014 - 09:10 PM.

[Magna Canus]

Surface Detail, on 27 August 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

This is a crazy idea but given how the clans like to fight, wouldn't it be cool if the "last man standing" could systematically challenge the other team peeps to duels? And actually have that come in as a game mechanic that couldn't be spoiled?

I just tried this out. I was the last man standing on Terra therma and positioned myself in F9 then called out on chat "Anybody want to 1v1?". I got a positive response back and then typed "Ok, meet me in F8 then". I again got a positive response.

What really happened is that the entire team came down on me and focused me down. Though I had in my pessimism expected I was hoping otherwise and I guess a guy or two on the enemy team were willing, but no, there were too many people out there that did not "honor the challenge".

I will try this a couple more times "as the situation allows" and create a new thread about it when I have a good idea of what the "honor level" is out there.

AssaultPig, on 27 August 2014 - 05:46 PM, said:

If the last man standing is actually attempting to fight or otherwise win the match, there's nothing wrong with that and I can't remember ever seeing any 'team treason' occur in that situation.

But if the last person alive is just hiding or shut down in a corner in a game they has no hope of winning, they deserve to get shouted out. That kind of behavior isn't useful or sportsmanlike and it's unfortunate that PGI have decided to defend it.

Unfortunately it happened often enough to me that I was the victim of team treason even though I was still fighting and even typed it in team chat to ensure there were no misconceptions. I put in a report each time which hopefully had some effect.

[RussianWolf]

Magnakanus, on 28 August 2014 - 12:21 AM, said:

I just tried this out. I was the last man standing on Terra therma and positioned myself in F9 then called out on chat "Anybody want to 1v1?". I got a positive response back and then typed "Ok, meet me in F8 then". I again got a positive response.

What really happened is that the entire team came down on me and focused me down. Though I had in my pessimism expected I was hoping otherwise and I guess a guy or two on the enemy team were willing, but no, there were too many people out there that did not "honor the challenge".

I will try this a couple more times "as the situation allows" and create a new thread about it when I have a good idea of what the "honor level" is out there.


Unfortunately it happened often enough to me that I was the victim of team treason even though I was still fighting and even typed it in team chat to ensure there were no misconceptions. I put in a report each time which hopefully had some effect.

There will always be at least one with no honor.

I was running a clan tag until earlier this week. Someone in game made a disparaging remark about clanner so I asked if they wanted to 1v1. They accepted and we set the location. We met up and started fighting, then one of his team showed up and interrupted. I died. Next match we wound up on opposite teams again on Crimson, we met on the island and went at it again. The entire fight I had someone from the mainland ERLLing my legs. Some just can't keep allow honor duels in this game.

[RussianWolf]

Thinking back a ways I was running my Commando 2D and was capping base when the last of my team went down. There were three on the other team left. Orion, Cat, and a Locust I think. I knew they would converge on the cap point so I vacated. Teammates started telling me to just die and the like because I was beat up already (I wasn't chatting as I was busy playing). I ran around and located them, took a couple pot shots. And they decided to split up with the Locust/Orion chasing me and the Cat defending their base. It took some work for me to pull the pair apart enough that I could work on them without them being able to team up on me too much and I killed the Locust then the Orion. I made it back to the cap and started working on the Cat but time ran out and we wound up with a tie. At the end, no one on my team was upset because they saw how close I had come to winning it for them and that I was fighting smart to do it. don't think that a solo light can't make a big impact on the game.

[Praehotec8]

ThatDawg, on 26 August 2014 - 07:15 AM, said:

Easy to spot the millennials who think something is owed them.
A slice of society.
Yes, I did poorly and now you do the same, cause I got my shiny badges all thru school and am quite clueless as to the reality of life.
Some die quickly.

I say if you're the last man standing, enjoy the time, squeeze it out as long as possible, get as much damage as you can.
Shutting down and hiding..........well, thats a millennials saying, hey, I'm passive aggressive and now I am getting joy out of keeping you from having fun. I feed on your chat rage.

I've been the last man standing so many times, its maddening....and yes, I fight like a pitbull to the bitter end, if it takes five more minutes, so be it.
But I wont rush to my end because you're clutching your crotches, banging on the keyboard. Its life babies, wrap your mind around it.

whoooot!! I got my 50 too!! In a kitfox no less!!

The ultimate tool is a "reporter"

Put on your big boy pants and FIGHT!!

Why is that on the forums everyone who disagrees with a viewpoint is an ignorant, childish fool (or an entitled whiner)? I am none of the above, but I disagree with most of your post.

1.) The big issue is that mechs are locked until the match conclusion. For those with limited playtime, it would be much nicer to jump right into another match. Some players may only have one mech.

2.) If the last man standing is fighting well and truly giving it a real effort, I usually see no complaints. If one happens to be that 1% of players who can take down vastly unfavorable odds, usually chat is filled with encouragement. HOWEVER....that is very, very rarely the case. Usually one sees a lone spider or other light who kited around during the match (which is fine), and now continues to want to kite around, snapping off potshots at mechs and then spending the next 30 seconds hiding before finding a new target and shooting. When there are 6 other mechs and 5 minutes on the timer....that isn't a winning strategy and I have yet to see that work. Another favorite is the lone mech who wants to continue to cap when the other team has 5 mechs, 4 conquest locations, and is up by 300 points. Can you see how people might view such scenarios as futile? Let's not even get started on the stat-padders who hide and shut-down.

3.) (OK...I lied, I will comment) Shutting down often IS passive-aggressive (by your own admission), and is very disrespectful of others. In my mind it should be a reportable offense also. It would be nice to have an eject or surrender option, but we don't.

4.) If you are fighting like a pitbull to the bitter end, it will likely not last five more minutes. Fighting is EXACTLY what we would like you to be doing!

[Kjudoon]

This is a video game. There is no 'honor'. The dead have no honor or glory. Let's stop pretending there is, okay? Real glory and honor is when you defend people for real.

Till then, this is kids pretending honor like a tea party for their stuffed animals or playing "imperialist oppressors against innocent indigenous people"s.

Edited by Kjudoon, 29 August 2014 - 08:28 PM.

[Magna Canus]

Kjudoon, on 29 August 2014 - 08:28 PM, said:

This is a video game. There is no 'honor'. The dead have no honor or glory. Let's stop pretending there is, okay? Real glory and honor is when you defend people for real.

Till then, this is kids pretending honor like a tea party for their stuffed animals or playing "imperialist oppressors against innocent indigenous people"s.

Amen brother, amen.