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[cSand]

Training Instructor, on 26 August 2014 - 07:21 AM, said:

Running out of bounds to deny them the kill is pretty awesome, even if it's against the code of conduct.

I prefer to override and alpha until I blow up. At least you go down swingin

[Kjudoon]

Thankfully the vast majority of the 'quit wasting my time' people are in their safe little rubber room known as "Skirmish Mode". It has made Assault and Conquest much more enjoyable.

That said, people need to get better at screenshots and reporting people for team treason and badgering the last survivor.

Also, what about that last survivor who had 11 people on his team not hold up THEIR end of the bargain and play smart or well? What's their responsibility to them? He's the victim in this more than the 11 dead before him. Now he has all the hopes of the team unfairly pinned on him and criticized for it if he's not willing/able/interested in playing the way the dead did.

People need to realize they're part of the problem and play smarter. Brawltardery is not an option.

[Deathlike]

TBH, it depends on the situation.

I'm not a fan of hunting the shutdown mech, but the reality is that ANY player that doesn't realize that the WORST CASE SCENARIO is spending 15 mins on the map is going to get a dose of it. With that said, IT IS NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY of the last mech to DIE FOR YOU. That is a silly goal with unrealistic expectations. It is the responsibility of that last mech to make your life miserable OUTSIDE of shutdown+DC. It is THE RESPONSIBILITY of the opfor to hunt them down AND PREVENT it from happening (eg. if you have to leg him to put him down, DO SO). The hunters cannot dictate the last man's choice to do what he wants to do, whether or not it is a k-d related thing or just giving themselves the "slight" chance of winning the the match. There is no "wrong answer" (outside of shutdown+DC trolling).

Whining about it is silly.

[Y E O N N E]

I usually fight if I am the last 'Mech standing. However, how I fight depends on what I am driving. If I'm in my Lights, I will try to spread the team so I can pick off the weak or slow. This often earns me jeers by friends and enemies who think I am just running away. It also earns praise when it works well-enough to earn kills or else actually tie the enemy up in a direct fight.

If I'm in something heavier, I go into search and destroy mode. I know the enemy is usually about as hurt as I am and all of my 'Mechs contain significant alpha punch even when missing a side torso.

In either case, I may not win, but I often take a couple down with me. Sometimes, though...I do win. Best feeling, ever.

[RussianWolf]

Lil Cthulhu, on 26 August 2014 - 06:10 AM, said:

Way back in CB I was the last man standing on my team once, took down the remaining five mechs for the win.

Remember when boom cats were feared?

Also won a 2v6 back when the UAC/5 was the nastiest thing ever.

best I did was killing the last 4 in my pretty baby.

I had people on the enemy team cheering me on and people on our calling me a hero.

Hasn't been repeated since

[Zeede]

It depends on what the last mech is, what mode it is, and what the situation is like.

Is there a chance this last mech standing can win? If the answer is "no", then they should go try and get some more C-Bills and XP by killing someone, and do it quickly.

Hiding to try to pad your Kills/Death ratio is really pathetic.

In short, if it's Skirmish, and you are in a barely functioning mech against half a dozen or more enemy mechs, you are a **** blossom if you go shut down somewhere to hide.

At least in Assault and Conquest there is a chance you can win, even with no weapons remaining.

[Funkadelic Mayhem]

3rdworld, on 26 August 2014 - 12:42 PM, said:

If it is 11-1, just go commit suicide, either by charging or running out of bounds. Save us all some time.

OR... you can quit match. Nothing is forcing you to stick around. You are wasting your own time if you’re dead and won’t move onto the light, no one else is wasting your time!

[Kjudoon]

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Hiding to try to pad your Kills/Death ratio is really pathetic.

I'm sorry, but demading someone play your game and die because you can't wait 2-10 minutes for your mech because you don't want to work on another one is just as pathetic. Which pathetic state has supremacy?

[KamikazeRat]

had a skirmish match yesterday (or the day before, whichever) Alpine, lone light mech, Jenner i think, running and hiding, at the boundary, teammates were calling out his position, and what happened next surprised the heck out of me, 2 other light mechs found him, and he expertly took one of them down and almost had the other, he had one of the top scores. fairly decent light pilot was hiding on the edges of the map, just to protect his K/D ratio. Not cool, but it also wasn't cool for the 2 guys who died to call out his position. its his game let him play it.

another, yesterday, had a Dire Wolf, with 30LRMs 2 AC10 and some lasers hang in the back firing off lrms, refusing to go into LOS for the ACs and lasers to do anything, with teammates hounding him to move up with the rest of our firing line. he refused and proclaimed "he was LRMs" he was the last man standing, had he been less timid when he was lrming, and cresting the firing line to use the ACs and lasers too, we would have undoubtedly won that match. oh yeah, he also had a top score. in his 30 second death throws he took down 3 of the remaining but we ultimately lost as they all converged on him.

My point is, why are you the LMS, were you hiding? if so, shame on you....go die in a fire to cleanse yourself of this. did you team explode around you, and you saw the writing on the wall, ran to protect your K/D ratio....less shame...but still.

And biggest point is, i like watching the end-match, but you don't have to, go use the bathroom or something too much QQ as it is.

Edited by KamikazeRat, 26 August 2014 - 04:01 PM.

[Voranis]

Should be a vote kill. When it gets down to one left if the rest of the team votes 11/0 the last should be auto-sploded. Far too often the last standing was an A-hole that was hiding the entire round just to try to get easy kills at the end.

[Mercules]

3rdworld, on 26 August 2014 - 12:42 PM, said:

If you have a realistic chance of winning. I am going to cheer for you, even tell you who is badly wounded.

If it is 11-1, just go commit suicide, either by charging or running out of bounds. Save us all some time.

Why? What else were you going to spend your "waste time" time on? Wasting other time? It's a game and sometimes you have to wait your turn to play.

Beik Ross Norst, on 26 August 2014 - 04:04 PM, said:

no one gets banned

The above quote is a false statement.

[Lyoto Machida]

Kjudoon, on 26 August 2014 - 12:50 PM, said:

Also, what about that last survivor who had 11 people on his team not hold up THEIR end of the bargain and play smart or well? What's their responsibility to them? He's the victim in this more than the 11 dead before him. Now he has all the hopes of the team unfairly pinned on him and criticized for it if he's not willing/able/interested in playing the way the dead did.

People need to realize they're part of the problem and play smarter. Brawltardery is not an option.

Exactly...the guy that misses the buzzer beater shot to tie or win the game gets blamed, when there were 42 missed shots along the way before his.

[Anassi]

I had another instance of this today. We were playing Assault on Canyon and after a hard and long fight we were up 8-10. One of ours, a Griffin if I remember correctly, had both arms shot off and announced that he'd hide it out in our base. Fair enough.

Sadly our remaining force was very, very banged up and failed to assault the enemy base, getting picked off by a combination of turret fire and the last two enemies left alive (who were at decent health). So we're now down 11-10 and our only remaining Mech is a completely weaponless Griffin. Five minutes left to go. You think he had any intention of just ending this? No, of course not. To pad his K/D he chose to stand motionless in our base. The enemy was playing it smart, waiting in their base and sitting it out.

If you are in such a situation and you refuse to participate, then you are a massive jerk. You are down in score, you cannot possibly win it anymore, you cannot possible do any kind of damage anymore. You are wasting everyones time. I had to watch the whole thing because I kinda wanted to play that mech again for the next match, but until the game ended I couldn't proceed. Jerk-move deluxe.

If you are able to fight (and HAVE to do it to win) I expect you to do so. If you are unable to fight (but would need to in order to win), just goddamn die already. Riding it out is perfectly fine if it's the difference between winning Conquest on points and losing on kills, it's the smart move. It's not fine if there is nothing to be gained except wasting time on something that's completely lost anyway.

Edited by Anassi, 26 August 2014 - 05:07 PM.

[Mystere]

3rdworld, on 26 August 2014 - 12:42 PM, said:

If it is 11-1, just go commit suicide, either by charging or running out of bounds. Save us all some time.

Just because 11 idiots decided to get rolled doesn't mean the 12th needs to do the same.

[Kjudoon]

Lyoto Machida, on 26 August 2014 - 04:48 PM, said:

Exactly...the guy that misses the buzzer beater shot to tie or win the game gets blamed, when there were 42 missed shots along the way before his.

I've seen you fight Lyoto. I know you've been there more than a few times. Well played fellow forum warrior

Mystere, on 26 August 2014 - 05:16 PM, said:

Just because 11 idiots decided to get rolled doesn't mean the 12th needs to do the same.

I've got this bridge for you to jump off of....

[Mystere]

KamikazeRat, on 26 August 2014 - 03:57 PM, said:

had a skirmish match yesterday (or the day before, whichever) Alpine, lone light mech, Jenner i think, running and hiding, at the boundary, teammates were calling out his position, and what happened next surprised the heck out of me, 2 other light mechs found him, and he expertly took one of them down and almost had the other, he had one of the top scores. fairly decent light pilot was hiding on the edges of the map, just to protect his K/D ratio. Not cool, but it also wasn't cool for the 2 guys who died to call out his position. its his game let him play it.

The only thing not cool are his dead teammates ratting his position.

It does not really matter what the last player on their team decides to do. It's his right to play as he wishes. There are really no "ifs" or "buts" about it.

[3rdworld]

Mercules, on 26 August 2014 - 04:09 PM, said:

Why? What else were you going to spend your "waste time" time on? Wasting other time? It's a game and sometimes you have to wait your turn to play.



The above quote is a false statement.

I already have 5-10 minute wait times, I don't need another 5 of some scrubby light doing nothing beneficial.

Funkadelic Mayhem, on 26 August 2014 - 02:30 PM, said:

OR... you can quit match. Nothing is forcing you to stick around. You are wasting your own time if you’re dead and won’t move onto the light, no one else is wasting your time!

Does that get my mech out of the match?

Edited by 3rdworld, 26 August 2014 - 05:36 PM.

[Augustus Martelus II]

Well i always go in Hunt mode....but many start saying my position....because they can t watch me actually do something.

Had a few rare time that the teammates shut up and i was able to bring 4 mechs before going down.

My best match was in a Battlemaster...i took out the last 7 mechs and we won. So people, please shut up lol

[Magna Canus]

Anassi, on 26 August 2014 - 05:06 PM, said:

I had another instance of this today. We were playing Assault on Canyon and after a hard and long fight we were up 8-10. One of ours, a Griffin if I remember correctly, had both arms shot off and announced that he'd hide it out in our base. Fair enough.

Sadly our remaining force was very, very banged up and failed to assault the enemy base, getting picked off by a combination of turret fire and the last two enemies left alive (who were at decent health). So we're now down 11-10 and our only remaining Mech is a completely weaponless Griffin. Five minutes left to go. You think he had any intention of just ending this? No, of course not. To pad his K/D he chose to stand motionless in our base. The enemy was playing it smart, waiting in their base and sitting it out.

If you are in such a situation and you refuse to participate, then you are a massive jerk. You are down in score, you cannot possibly win it anymore, you cannot possible do any kind of damage anymore. You are wasting everyones time. I had to watch the whole thing because I kinda wanted to play that mech again for the next match, but until the game ended I couldn't proceed. Jerk-move deluxe.

If you are able to fight (and HAVE to do it to win) I expect you to do so. If you are unable to fight (but would need to in order to win), just goddamn die already. Riding it out is perfectly fine if it's the difference between winning Conquest on points and losing on kills, it's the smart move. It's not fine if there is nothing to be gained except wasting time on something that's completely lost anyway.

Though I can see where you are comming from my experience is that the enemy team, even if they are up on kills, often tries to "go for gold" and get that last kill just a few seconds before the timer ends. I have had it happen often enough to count on it in most matches.

Without any weapons though, it is a bit of a waste, but that is how the cookie crumbles. Find a balance between how much you want to play 1 particular mech and how much time you want to spend. If time is more critical, then jump in another mech and get going. Nothing good ever came from 2 egos colliding, e.g. "I want my mech" and "I don't want to die". As long as there is no rule that says that the last player MUST die, then it is something players are going to have to learn to deal with and "play nice" together.

[TB Freelancer]

Sandpit, on 26 August 2014 - 08:00 AM, said:

actively avoiding combat, shutting down to avoid detection, etc. is a reportable offense. If the player is actively participating that's one thing, if they're intentionally just trying to draw out the game and possibly save their stats, that's when you report. A player in "ninja mode" that's using hit and run tactics is NOT a reportable offense. They're just not running in to suicide.

I'm with you on that man, but around this community common sense isn't just rare, its a superpower.


EDIT: The only people I've reported so far on this subject have been the guys betraying the last man who is actively trying to fight, regardless of capacity, and I'll sometimes 'betray' the last man by providing the enemy false information to lead them somewhere that might be advantageous for him.

Edited by TB Freelancer, 26 August 2014 - 05:58 PM.