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[Sinitron]

Marauder3D, on 23 July 2012 - 10:01 AM, said:

Funny post by the OP. Rejecting allies over something that may or may not happen. Reminds me of Homer Simpson:

Smoke Jaguar? So much for potential allies, you're even worse than the Ghost Bears.

[Grimm Wulf]

*shakes his head at this sillyness about talk of Ghost Bear traitors and what not*

It's people like that which can make a person feel ashamed of belonging to a certain group at times.

But I can asure anyone that no matter if these thoughts from these people are in a RP sence, or their actual real belives... they do not in any way, shape or form, reflect the absolutly vast majority of the whole group it's self.

[Sinitron]

Grimm Wulf, on 25 July 2012 - 02:47 AM, said:

*shakes his head at this sillyness about talk of Ghost Bear traitors and what not*

It's people like that which can make a person feel ashamed of belonging to a certain group at times.

But I can asure anyone that no matter if these thoughts from these people are in a RP sence, or their actual real belives... they do not in any way, shape or form, reflect the absolutly vast majority of the whole group it's self.

I just want people who don't play for the sake of viking metal and grog to get out and join some trashy merc outfit instead. How is that such a bad thing? Everyone knows the clanners are here to subjugate and forcefully assimilate us. Imagine if the Russians conquered Sweden tomorrow and replaced your national anthem with "HONK HONK I AM A BUTT", would that be fine with you?? Hell no, you would be PISSED. They'd replace IKEA with CBIC (Chernobyl Barely Irradiated Crap) and instead of milk and water you would only be allowed to drink cheap urine-flavored vodka.

In the same fashion it is the intent of every Ghost Bear, Smoke Jaguar and other clanners to destroy the identity of the FRR and turn you into mindless automaton slaves in the machine of the evil tube baby empire. Would you really want to be ordered around by some cheap imitation of mankind made in space-china? Would you have our metal and hard rock replaced by dubstep and trance?? You would be mad to even consider accepting such an atrocious violation of everything we stand for!!

They're far worse than the Draconis Combine and deserve nothing but animosity for their future atrocities!

[FireNova]

Sinitron, on 23 July 2012 - 09:54 PM, said:

Smoke Jaguar? So much for potential allies, you're even worse than the Ghost Bears.

Wow, that easily offended by a simple statement from Marauder? Jeez, with FRR players like yourself alienating potential allies even more it is no wonder the Draconis Combine will be a tough challenge even for the most hardened of Space Vikings.....hell they may very well take advantage of the anti-Clan sentiments (and Mercs not to mention) and try to overwhelm all of FRR space because of such foolish feelings that some members of the FRR like yourself take when it comes to allies....talk about the FRR shooting itself in the foot when it will need those allies (CSJ, Mercs, etc) against the Combine even more in the coming months.....

Then again, you SJ haters never cease to amaze me with this fanatical anti-SJ foaming at the mouth stuff.....hopefully the vast majority of the FRR playerbase will be more geopolitical wise and understand the strategic and tactical importance of allies such as Clan Smoke Jaguar or any Mercs that could help repel the vile Dragon from FRR worlds. Trust me on this, you FRR folks are going to need all the help you can get!

[Sinitron]

The FRR will outlive the Jags, just sayin'.

[FireNova]

Sinitron, on 25 July 2012 - 03:59 AM, said:

The FRR will outlive the Jags, just sayin'.

Not every Jaguar dies, just sayin. Then again most people don't know what the concept of the word Annihilation means.......

EDIT: Just in case you need an example of what the word means in its definition....

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Annihilation

"Total destruction", "complete obliteration" are the words you will want to look for......last I checked not all the Jaguars died....so.....

Edited by FireNova, 25 July 2012 - 04:15 AM.

[Sinitron]

Not saying every Jag dies, but the Bulldog will maul the Cat, and the FRR as a state will outlive CSJ.

[FireNova]

Sinitron, on 25 July 2012 - 04:15 AM, said:

Not saying every Jag dies, but the Bulldog will maul the Cat, and the FRR as a state will outlive CSJ.

Oh well sure if this game goes the way of liberal "entitlement canon" where you will simply be HANDED your "government victory check" then sure you are right........

[Phelan Kerensky]

/facepalm...

[FireNova]

Phelan Kerensky, on 25 July 2012 - 05:07 AM, said:

/facepalm...

What is so wrong about what I said? Its the truth. Why do you think 500+ people went for Clan Wolf in the "Which Invading Clan will you join?" thread in the Clan section of the forums? The answer is simple: Canon. Same thing can be said for the Davions: Canon. People think that just because they joined "TEH POPULARZ FRACTIONZ" that they do not have to put any effort whatsoever into battles simply because they will be predetermined already. The devs really need to take a hard look at how they will follow the canon without killing off entire playerbases like the Jaguars or St. Ives (if they ever become playable later on) or even Word of Blake (if playable later on) for crying out loud.

This whole supporting of canon that people talk about is easy to figure out.....its entitlement, plain and simple: "Oh, I am a part of House Kurita, I don't need to worry about the Jaguars because canon will shield me and give me my free wins come 3060." "I am a part of Clan Wolf, I don't need to worry about the Refusal War because I know that Clan Wolf will be brought back and everything will be fine." "I am a part of House Davion, I don't need to worry about Sun-Tzu Word of Lowtax of the rising Capellan Confederation because I know that not all of Davion will be the property of Goonswarm cause canon says so."

This whole "entitlement" culture is just so bad that its getting into games now.....to the point where you may not have to put any effort because canon said that such and such was won by such and such faction therefore whats the point? Is it fair to have the Jaguar playerbase rejected out of a game to satisfy someones "entitlement benefits" and bias against the Jaguars? I would like to see the FRR work for their victories. If they stop the Clans, then it just means the Clan players are not putting any effort into the Invasion. Those Clan players better up their game then: No freebies. Same thing with Bulldog/Serpent: No handing off worlds to the "Reborn Star League" Kuritans.

Entitlement destroys incentive: It creates a mentality that just because you are part of a major lore faction that it automatically means you will get free stuff via canon. Hence my labeling of "following the canon" as "entitlement canon".

[STD Silver Tounged Devil]

One Word Wow. Let the games begin.

[Grimm Wulf]

Sinitron, on 25 July 2012 - 03:51 AM, said:

I just want people who don't play for the sake of viking metal and grog to get out and join some trashy merc outfit instead. How is that such a bad thing? Everyone knows the clanners are here to subjugate and forcefully assimilate us. Imagine if the Russians conquered Sweden tomorrow and replaced your national anthem with "HONK HONK I AM A BUTT", would that be fine with you?? Hell no, you would be PISSED. They'd replace IKEA with CBIC (Chernobyl Barely Irradiated Crap) and instead of milk and water you would only be allowed to drink cheap urine-flavored vodka.

In the same fashion it is the intent of every Ghost Bear, Smoke Jaguar and other clanners to destroy the identity of the FRR and turn you into mindless automaton slaves in the machine of the evil tube baby empire. Would you really want to be ordered around by some cheap imitation of mankind made in space-china? Would you have our metal and hard rock replaced by dubstep and trance?? You would be mad to even consider accepting such an atrocious violation of everything we stand for!!

They're far worse than the Draconis Combine and deserve nothing but animosity for their future atrocities!

First off... if I am reading your first sentence correctly, and I could be, what your saying is that being FRR (and ultimatly Scandinavian) means that you listen to Viking Metal, and people who don't would not be fitting to serve in the FRR's military. To which I say bull, huge steaming piles of bull's dung. If anything Viking metal is a pretty small minority with in the music listened to here, and I am pretty certain that it's even a minority amongts the people who listen to mainly Metal in general here as well. There are probably more people outside of Scandinavia who listen to Viking Metal then in the Scandinavian/Nordic countries combined. Yes, the Scandinavian nations have a unusually strong base of various kinds of Metal and simmilar type of music listened to and created here (especially Sweden, Norway and Finland... don't really recall how Denmarks Metal scene is, or Icelands)... but if anything many other styles of music are as strong, if not stronger then Metal.

Now I personally do mainly listen to various kinds of Metal (Viking Metal not being one of them), but I do listen to a few other things here and there as well. But I would be kidding my self if I belived that Metal is the only thing Scandinavians listen to. You would be as likely (or more) to hear rap, hip hop, jazz, blues, pop, techno, country, dansband, funk, alternative, rock, dubstep, soul, and what ever else I am unable to come up with at the moment, as you are hearing metal or viking metal blaring out of a FRR's speakers.

Right down to it, the word that best descibes the Scandinavian music landscape is... diversity, and has been since atleast the 50's-60's and forward.

As for the rest. Yes the clanners are here to "take back" the IS, and yes many of them will use huge amounts of violance to do so, and the result is a cast system where some are "worth" more then otheres etc. But to an extent the Clanners are not as bad as most IS factions are when it comes to one aspects, some levels of honour. I mean if they where like the IS where, they would NEVER have let something like the Battle of Tukayyid have stopped them from continuing their assault. All because it was a challenge made by ComStar to the Clans under the Clans own rules when it came to challanges, and trials of possession and what ever else they where called. If the clan had been almost any other IS faction, that faction would probably not have honoured such a deal... atleast not for very long.

Also Clan Ghost Bear was one of the few groups that actually managed to get any kind of victory in this battle. And based on that they might have decided that since they won some of their battles they would not have to honour the agreement of this trial of possession. But they did. And not only that, they started seeing the errors of their way, and went from being a Crusader clan, to being a Warden clan. Which eventually turns into them reaching out to what remains of the FRR, and the people of the FRR in the space Ghose Bear control, for them to join foces. And I belive that Clan Ghost Bear prove them selves to be truthworthy over the many numbers of following decades.

True, it's hard to know things like this befor they happend, and I am certain even I would have been sceptical. But we do have the benefit of knowing what happens. And as such I feel that jumping on the Ghost Bear players for what happends in the storyline is... dumb. People like the factions they like... and if anything, clan Ghost Bear is in my opinion the most likable Clan faction... because if anything it shows that people can change, who ever they are. And I bet you that this is one reason why many of the Ghost Bear players actually like them, because they change, and because they reach out to FRR and want to work together for the benefit of all. And give it even more time and I have a feeling that all of the bad parts about Clan sociaty will slowly disapear in the Rasalhague Dominion, leaving what could be considered the "old FRR" having been massivly "powered up".

Now, the whole thing about "imagin if the Russians attacked"... I don't think anyone would really be "fine" with their nation being attacked or what ever by anyone. And there is a chance that I would try and resist it if it happend. But there is a HUGE difference between that and BattleTech... can you guess what that is? If your guess was not "BattleTech is fiction", or something of that nature, then you should probably sit down and take a deep look at where your minds at. In the whole grand scale of things, BattleTech, and everything in it, matters little. It's just a game, it's just a person, and eventually a few people, who sat around one day and got an idea about what they could create for them and otheres to spend their free time in, and have fun. In my opinion it's a great IP, but it's just fiction. So denouncing Ghost Bear players, or anyone else in any fictional IP out there for that matter, for liking a certain faction with in an IP, seems... laughable for one, dumb for another, can probably find more words for it to... but right down to it, it's almost on the same level as going after a person because he likes women with brown hair, or likes to listen to a certain music style, or liked to eat... I don't know... donuts with ketchup or something (saw that in a Spider-Man comic in the 90's. )... it's all a matter of taste.

I don't mind minor bickering and teasing and what not between the people here from different factions, or in other games or what ever. As long as it's done in a good tone, good natured, maybe a bit of humor thrown in here and there. That can be pretty fun I think. But the tone from some of the people here in this thread seems far from "good natured". Sometimes some of the things said feels like it's borderline harrassing people, or worse.

As for me getting pissed about stuff... I rarely do. I can only remember like... 3 or 4 times in my life where I was actually angry. Other then that I tend to mostly get annoyed, or mildly annoyed. I am a very calm and layed back type of person, I almost never get worked up, and when I do it usually does not last long. Yeah I probably would get annoyed if Sweden was attacked by someone, and stated to change things around and make us do things we did not want to do or what ever... but I would still probably only get annoyed, at the most strongly annoyed.

As for replacing our national anthem... meh, I like the one we have, but I am not attached to it like my life depended on it. I like our flag to, but nor am I going to get butt hurt about if someone burned it or tried to defile it somehow to take a jab at Sweden. I would probably just chuckle if I saw someone burning our flag in a fit of rage about something they felt was the cause of it. It's just a peice of fabric placed in a particular pattern with a particular colouring to it. As for IKEA, I actually don't think I own anything from IKEA, not based on any particular thought about their quality or anything, it just turned out that way for now. Actually, even if I am Swedish, I don't recall ever having even been inside an IKEA store.

and finally about this thing of having stuff replaced by "inferior stuff" or something. No, I don't expect or want anything to be "replaced"... what I do want though... and this is key... I wand diversity. I want the choice to be able to decide "Do I buy this 5000 [insert currency here] hyper awesome super quality flux capacitor, or do I by the 500 [currency] cheap imitaiton flux capacitor... or should I by this handy cheesegrater?" I want the choice, and I want everybody to be able to have that choice. To decide if I/they want to listen to Metal, Rock, Jazz, Rap, Hip Hop, Soul, Funk, Alternative, Dubstep, Trance, Techno, Dansbands Musik, Bluegrass, Country, Classical, Opera, or Super F'ing Hardcore Childrens Songs...

So if you where a true Scandinavian, or what ever it is called when someone outside of Scandinavia is obsessed with everything Scandinavian, then you would know that Scandinavia is all about diversity, acceptance, embracing new things/ideas/concepts/etc, having a choice, democracy, etc. Sweden, and Scandinavia have managed to be as successful as we have been, and are, because of these things, because we embrace a lot of things, embrace new things ideas people etc, because we have the ability to do all these things. With out diversity this world woudl be a very dull world, and would be an extremly stagnat place, with nothing that changes. No change is a bad thing.

And that was an absolute book of a post... but I don't care... and I don't care if this thread is a troll thread or what ever... and that I possibly swallowed the hook with the line and sinker to... I knew it was possibly there, did not mind taking it this time.

I probably also missed writing a lot of things, and wrote a lot of things not needed, and I probably babbled a lot to, not to mention probably even contradicted my self all over the place, and maybe did not even make sence in otheres... but hey, that happends... nobody/nothing/etc is perfect. And if anyone claims they/someone/something/etc is, they/you are wrong.

[GBM]

gewd thread +1 rep tyvm tia

[Thorolf Kylesson]

Just sounds like Sinitron is terrified he doesn't have what it takes to make the ranks of the Ghost Bear warrior cast.

[Phelan Kerensky]

I can absolutely guarantee you that if the Clans were available at launch, the Clan players in the IS would go to their Clan immediately. However, at the start we are going to HAVE to play IS, which means that it is not the fault of the players that they decided to join the FRR and that they are not traitors. You should be happy that they decided to join FRR rather than one of the other IS houses before they join the Clans. Also, there is the fact that you have absolutely no right to force ANY player to join and stay out of any faction they want to join.

Besides, we all share a love for Battletech and MechWarrior, show your fellow gamers and BT/MW IP Fans some respect and you can very well expect some back. It also seems pretty dangerous for your health if you are taking things this seriously, I can understand doing some rp because I enjoy rping very often. However, You are talking as if this is a real life situation where your real life nation is going to get taken over and completely warped and changed. Hate to break it to you but MW/BT is fictional and you are not the one making decisions about how the IP or the game will work. The Devs are the masters of the game and THEY will decide how to work everything out and I trust they will do a good job of it. Thank God your not the one in charge of the ip or the game...

All in all, this thread is either a complete trollolol thread or it is serious in which case I suggest you find help in separating fictional things with reality...

To all my Ghost Bear Trothkin, do not mind this individual, he is simply trying to make a loud anti Clan noise in a faction where most could care less. I hope you all enjoy the game at launch!

[DarkBazerker]

I heard Wolfs are better then Bears anyway.

[Mattrixx]

I was going to say something clever but after reading all this... wow. Just wow. Oh gods, end me now! \o/

[Sinitron]

Phelan Kerensky, on 25 July 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

However, at the start we are going to HAVE to play IS...

Or do like you currently are, and playing Lone Wolf/Mercenary. That's cool too.

[Scytale]

Sinitron, on 25 July 2012 - 11:52 PM, said:

Or do like you currently are, and playing Lone Wolf/Mercenary. That's cool too.

Live and let live, dude.

[Damion Sparhawk]

this topic died weeks ago, let it go people