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[Adrian Carino]

Tymanthius, on 22 June 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

I play to WIN. That stated, I won't knowingly use a coding glitch to win. To me that's worse than cheating, that's going outside the game to win.

MethosFurey, on 22 June 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

The only true way to play fair, is to play to win, at all times. Cheating (aka hacking or breaking established league/tournament rules) means you lose.

Both are well said. If you're using known, unknown methods of altering the game or server to win, then you aren't playing the game. Your ruining it and should be slapped with a ban hammer.

[Wind Tempest]

What do you mean by "play fair"?

If you mean not using third party assistance programs like aimbot and wall hacks then yes I will play fair as well as play to win. If you mean no legging, rear shots, heat shots then I just play to win. Playing fair makes no sense in a competition where failure is punished in some way(in this case repairs and if certain weapons can be salvaged and used/lost then those as well).

Ruthlessness is Mercy of the Strong.

[Adrian Carino]

Wind Tempest. By play Fair, I mean not going for the weak point of the mech, instead tearing out the armor on the torso and such to get at the squishy prize beneath. A lot of people in Mechwarrior 3 and 4 saw things like Legging and going for the back, arms, whatever is cheating.

[Mutuh]

Should've just gone and named the options what they are: leggin or no leggin

[Derek Icelord]

Quote

Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.

With cheating here referring to "fighting dirty." Network manipulation and such is never acceptable, but if a piece of equipment or tactic is in the game, you'd better believe I'm going to use it to my advantage every chance I get.

[Steamroller Stig]

If you're not cheating you're not trying.

I will headhunt

I will leg

I will fire from cover

I will Jumpshoot

I will use every resource to my disposal to wreck the days of anyone between me and victory.

Edited by Steamroller Stig, 22 June 2012 - 02:22 PM.

[Coolant]

Alfred VonGunn, on 22 June 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

Only cheating in here would be hackling and forced lag... But that is not part of the game. Anythingthe game is designed to allow is not a cheat

True, but there is a difference in hacking and using exploits. You could shoot through certain walls, or jump up thru a ceiling in Mercs which anyone could technically do and it wasn't a hack. I'm sure exploits won't be found in MWO or be very rare and easily fixed in a patch if they are. I think you might be asking will we play fair as in playing "honorably" such as not shooting in the back or legging or stripping, chaining etc. In which case I would answer according to Alfred's quote above that if it is in the game I'll use it cause those aren't exploits, they are potential tactics.

[Adrian Carino]

Mutuh, on 22 June 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

Should've just gone and named the options what they are: leggin or no leggin

I might have but it isn't just legging thats an issue. I played Mechwarrior for a long time and in my experience I've gone for more than just the legs. I've aimed for the cockpit, the arms, the back. In Mechwarrior 3 I had a targeter than went for a specific part of the mech. In Mechwarrior 4, I hard aimed for the arms and legs because I wanted to severely weaken my enemies. People called me a cheater and what not, but it's honestly playing the game.

[Reported for Inappropriate Name]

Adrian Carino, on 22 June 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:

What would you do? Personally I play to win. If I see a weak point, be it the legs, head, neck or back or somewhere already damage I would hammer it.

I think you're confusing fairness with honor. Honor is for knights that get crossbowed in the chest because they're too stubborn to adapt with the times and drop the platemail for something lighter out of the sake of "honor"

as long as it doesn't violate game rules, the competitive spirit of gaming, or any other agreed upon rules, then it is fair. Claiming that it isn't fair even though it's allowed by the rules just means you're looking for an excuse for when you lose instead of admitting defeat.


do whatever it takes to win, but do it legally- although on this topic, cheating in itself is an artform of not getting caught, for example some boxers make a career out of fighting dirty- and this holds true in other sports and games as well but I digress. to play you must agree to the rules, so you must play by the rules otherwise everything you gain is meaningless and empty, and if you're ever caught as a rule breaker your reputation is ruined forever.

Edited by Battlecruiser, 22 June 2012 - 02:24 PM.

[Derek Icelord]

Adrian Carino, on 22 June 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

Wind Tempest. By play Fair, I mean not going for the weak point of the mech, instead tearing out the armor on the torso and such to get at the squishy prize beneath. A lot of people in Mechwarrior 3 and 4 saw things like Legging and going for the back, arms, whatever is cheating.

Hell, going for the rear armor is how light and medium 'Mechs down the heavier ones. If I'm faster than you, but your AC/20 can rip my center torso open like a wet paper sack, you're damn right I'm gonna zip around behind you!

[Adrian Carino]

Derek Icelord, on 22 June 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

Hell, going for the rear armor is how light and medium 'Mechs down the heavier ones. If I'm faster than you, but your AC/20 can rip my center torso open like a wet paper sack, you're damn right I'm gonna zip around behind you!

Exactly! God it's good to see other players that have my mindset. Now in most cases I will NEVER endorse lag switches, game glitches and exploits, but I will endorse putting a Gauss round into your exposed reactor.

[Kravenous]

Going for the legs, back, or other weak points is tactically necessary in any sort of fight and since this is simulated war in a persistent universe I would think we would treat it as real as possible.

[SparkSovereign]

Playing "fair" is for backwards thinking Clanners. We IS types are here to kill people, not prance about in shined and polished toys.

In all honesty, I will take advantage of anything you let me. I might not opt for legging a target right off the bat, or hop on the bandwagon of whatever the hot new mech loadout is, but if I see a mech with damage legs, I'm going to rip them off. I get my enjoyment from a challenging fight, and that requires you to take me seriously as an opponent.

[Alfred VonGunn]

Adrian Carino, on 22 June 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

Wind Tempest. By play Fair, I mean not going for the weak point of the mech, instead tearing out the armor on the torso and such to get at the squishy prize beneath. A lot of people in Mechwarrior 3 and 4 saw things like Legging and going for the back, arms, whatever is cheating.

And a lot of people in MW3 and MW4 were cry babies to..

[RAGE Roller]

Alfred VonGunn, on 22 June 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

And a lot of people in MW3 and MW4 were cry babies to..

Tell me about it.

[Adrian Carino]

Alfred VonGunn, on 22 June 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

And a lot of people in MW3 and MW4 were cry babies to..

I can attest to this. Never bothered me any, just let them come back for more and they would get the same treatment. They armored up, so I would aim for the torso and knock them off balance and when they fell I'd hammer their legs until they went down.

[Landeraxe]

Adrian Carino, on 22 June 2012 - 02:07 PM, said:

Naturally, if there are rules placed to prevent the cheating and playing dirty, but in a game like Mechwarrior, Battlefield...really any war game. Playing to win should be the norm. Or I should say playing to win without having to resort to exploits and hacking.

I guess what I should have said is I play to win within the rules of the game. However, some people who complain agout 'legging' and headshots being dishonorable make me wary of saying I 'Play Fair'. It's a relative term. I will never glitch, run cheats, etc. But I will head and leg you to death, and pull every dirty trick I can come up with to win within the rules of the game (i.e., not the rules of those who cry foul because I am a better pilot).

[BloodAngel3rdD]

i say, play honorably to win.

[Sir Ramen Noodle]

Play to win. This is war.

[Alexander Caine]

I like my games to be immersive. Immersion = realism.
In reality, nobody would refuse to leg or take head shots because it's "unfair", except for maybe some honour code types like Clan or Kurita.

Me, I plan to make sure the other side dies, however.

Obviously this is within the confines of the game, and I do NOT like hacking or anything cheating.
But if it's legal, its fair.