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[Bigbacon]

Takin the plunge on 2 of them...LL and SRM4

knocks off 12% in level 5.

same price in GXP and Bills as the normal weapon ones.

Edited by Bigbacon, 09 September 2014 - 11:06 AM.

[The Great Unwashed]

Strange, DPS and HPS going up at the same time for most weapons...

[Torgun]

Haven't you learned yet? Never buy anything when it's new, because it's bound to be nerfed hard after a while.

[Wieland]

The Great Unwashed, on 09 September 2014 - 11:20 AM, said:

Strange, DPS and HPS going up at the same time for most weapons...

Torgun, on 09 September 2014 - 11:23 AM, said:

Haven't you learned yet? Never buy anything when it's new, because it's bound to be nerfed hard after a while.

Its simple math. When you fire faster, dps and hps go up.

A weapon does 1 damage, has 1 heat and fires every second.
Now you reduce the cooldown by 50%.
The weapon fires every 0.5 seconds, so in one second you do 2 damage and get 2 heat.

Edited by Wieland, 09 September 2014 - 11:27 AM.

[Torgun]

Wieland, on 09 September 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

Its simple math. When you fire faster, dps and hps go up.

What? I don't get why you directed that post at me. I'm saying the module will most probably be nerfed soon, end of story. I do find it hilarious that they increase the heat on a bunch of weapons and then release heat lowering modules shortly after. Meaning you have to plunk down a ton of CBills and GXP to try and get back to the heat you used to have before the nerfs, meaning it's all just a CBill/GXP sink instead of balance.

Edited by Torgun, 09 September 2014 - 11:31 AM.

[Solomon Ward]

Torgun, on 09 September 2014 - 11:30 AM, said:

What? I don't get why you directed that post at me. I'm saying the module will most probably be nerfed soon, end of story. I do find it hilarious that they increase the heat on a bunch of weapons and then release heat lowering modules shortly after. Meaning you have to plunk down a ton of CBills and GXP to try and get back to the heat you used to have before the nerfs, meaning it's all just a CBill/GXP sink instead of balance.

It was obviously directed at the one before you.

[DEMAX51]

Torgun, on 09 September 2014 - 11:30 AM, said:

What? I don't get why you directed that post at me. I'm saying the module will most probably be nerfed soon, end of story. I do find it hilarious that they increase the heat on a bunch of weapons and then release heat lowering modules shortly after. Meaning you have to plunk down a ton of CBills and GXP to try and get back to the heat you used to have before the nerfs, meaning it's all just a CBill/GXP sink instead of balance.

What do you mean "heat lowering modules"?

Neither the range, nor the cooldown modules, lower a weapon's heat at all. The Cooldown ones actually increase heat per second.

Edited by DEMAX51, 09 September 2014 - 11:38 AM.

[Torgun]

Solomon Ward, on 09 September 2014 - 11:33 AM, said:

It was obviously directed at the one before you.

He still have me quoted though which I still don't get.

DEMAX51, on 09 September 2014 - 11:36 AM, said:

What do you mean "heat lowering modules"?

Neither the range, nor the cooldown modules, lower a weapon's heat at all. The Cooldown ones actually increase heat per second.

Ah I misunderstood, I thought it had cooling down effect, not just firing rate.

[xe N on]

Only worth for larger Autocannons as AC20 or Gauss.

[Graugger]

Hmph, no cooldown module for the (superheated) AC/2 but plenty for the (cockpit shaker 2000) LRM5s...

[dario03]

xe N on, on 09 September 2014 - 11:45 AM, said:

Only worth for larger Autocannons as AC20 or Gauss.

If it was made for all weapons then it would be good for any mech that has a good heat rating. Of course the lower heat weapons would be more likely to be good though.

[N a p e s]

This could work nicely on my AC20 Hunchback. If it's a 12% reduction that brings it down from 4 secs to 3.52 secs. It should be quite noticeable.

[Bigbacon]

Napes339, on 09 September 2014 - 11:54 AM, said:

This could work nicely on my AC20 Hunchback. If it's a 12% reduction that brings it down from 4 secs to 3.52 secs. It should be quite noticeable.

yea I need to do this with my flame also.

[Lily from animove]

Wieland, on 09 September 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

Its simple math. When you fire faster, dps and hps go up.

A weapon does 1 damage, has 1 heat and fires every second.
Now you reduce the cooldown by 50%.
The weapon fires every 0.5 seconds, so in one second you do 2 damage and get 2 heat.

except form the math being wrong, because a mech has X heat treshold and some builds can fire endless because their wepaons produce no heat compared to other builds and then to benefit 100% of the positive from the module but do not suffer anything from the downside of the module. So the modules are kinda balanced for lasers, but AC's and SRM's and probably LRM's are absolutely out of balance with these mods because their heat is negliable.

[Bigbacon]

Lily from animove, on 09 September 2014 - 12:56 PM, said:

except form the math being wrong, because a mech has X heat treshold and some builds can fire endless because their wepaons produce no heat compared to other builds and then to benefit 100% of the positive from the module but do not suffer anything from the downside of the module. So the modules are kinda balanced for lasers, but AC's and SRM's and probably LRM's are absolutely out of balance with these mods because their heat is negliable.

good point on the LRMs....time to add it to my goldenboy

[Carrie Harder]

Why no AC/2 cooldown mod? Sadface.

[Blue Boutique]

Can you imagine a Banshee running around with a 12% AC/2 cooldown? *shudders*

[MischiefSC]

It shows its worth on a UAC20 and is significant on UAC5 - it more or less turns it into a heavy, long range MG.

[Carrie Harder]

Blue Boutique, on 09 September 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

Can you imagine a Banshee running around with a 12% AC/2 cooldown? *shudders*

Oh noes, an alpha of 8 damage. That's almost as much as one PPC, for 24 tons instead of 7! RUN FOR THE HILLS, BRO!

I'm pretty sure that the higher alpha loadouts like 2 PPC + 3 AC/5 are superior. Seriously, the AC/2 is not an overpowered gun and it still wouldn't be OP if it got its own module.

[Blue Boutique]

8 damage / 0.38 s = 21 dmg/ sec. That is pretty hefty even for a limited out but put that on a Jager, you get 31.6 dmg/s which can heavily damage mechs before going down.